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Anyone seen methamphetamine in the UK/Europe?

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rockstar 69 said:
It's all smokable. It's the residue is the give away.
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yes this true, all methamphetamine is smokeable but when synpthed properly crystal meth or 'ice' should leave little to no residue in pipe when smoked and it will recrystalise instantly when a cool damp cloth touches bottom of pipe. ice should not have any noticable smell and be translucent in the shape of jaggered edged rocks not long and thin shapped.
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smoking ice for many (including me) gives a more smooth high, if you guys want to feel its full effects i suggest you try snorting some, its 'come up' is quick like cocaine and the rush and 'high' is very intense, so much more than smoking.
 
Xamkou said:
You talk shit
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Great post mate. Absolute cracker.

FWIW that post was in direct response to MSB describing crystal meth like this...

Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
Meth could also be seen as a reflection of want among poorer people in the US. If you're poor there you're much poorer, so you're going to think meth is an awesome and cheap drug at first, when it only costs you what? £30 for your first binge, at a max? They obviously want to be doing coke, but not only does it not come to middle America, they can't afford it. And where would they do it? Doing coke for the sake of it going about your day is reserved for when you're properly addicted, but with meth that seems to be pretty normal right from the first few times.
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Is that not how 16 year olds would have seen mephedrone? Cheap pretend coke. Just like shite £5/g phet was to me & my mates in our early teens.
 
lol, I is off-topic, but I agree crackhead, meph was never an E substitute for me, a cleaner, better, cheaper, more reliable coke.

I'm not 16 any more though. But I still wouldn't buy coke again, the good stuff is undoubtably good, but I can't afford it.

I love the sound of meth, always have, but the duration puts me off...in that way it's NO WAY a god coke substitute/
 
The initial dunt of proper pre ban drone is more intense than meth, but over the session you'd maintain more euphoria with the meth. Mephedrone gets shit after the first few lines now.

Totally agree with crackhead
Is that not how 16 year olds would have seen mephedrone? Cheap pretend coke. Just like shite £5/g phet was to me & my mates in our early teens.
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The main reason most of my mates ended up going mad for the meph was it was available pure, cheap and next day at £10 a g or less. Bang in the middle of an MDMA drought and the coke had been going downhill since 2006.
 
I said it before but I think that as soon as some southern Italian gangs like the Camorra in Napoli learn about it from their friends in Mexico, I've read the Di Lauro clan from Napoli does business with the Gulf Cartel, meth could really hit big in Europe, I mean really big. In some areas of Napoli they have underground factories for counterfeit clothes, weapons stashes, cocaine packing facilities where they ship out tons of the stuff. It would be the perfect place to set up big scale labs, also they would have no problems acquiring precursors. Also Southern Europe would be an amazing market, coke has always been huge but now due to unemployment people can't really afford it as much as before. From there it could then spread to the UK and the rest of Europe.
 
Mental Kenny said:
I said it before but I think that as soon as some southern Italian gangs like the Camorra in Napoli learn about it from their friends in Mexico, I've read the Di Lauro clan from Napoli does business with the Gulf Cartel, meth could really hit big in Europe, I mean really big. In some areas of Napoli they have underground factories for counterfeit clothes, weapons stashes, cocaine packing facilities where they ship out tons of the stuff. It would be the perfect place to set up big scale labs, also they would have no problems acquiring precursors. Also Southern Europe would be an amazing market, coke has always been huge but now due to unemployment people can't really afford it as much as before. From there it could then spread to the UK and the rest of Europe.
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I don't think they'd ever get to the point of making enough for it to reach us in any decent amount.
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
I don't think they'd ever get to the point of making enough for it to reach us in any decent amount.
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Well they do import enough coke to flood half of Europe, some areas could become the equivalent of Mexico, providing a lot of the supply, I don't know I'm probably just day dreaming, would be nice, going back to Italy only to find out we have become leading meth producers, mmm.
 
missing something...

I am surprised no one has mentioned a certain case which has been going on for some time now which i won't go into too much details but my friend Fred tells me more info...

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/20/uk-usa-methamphetamine-arizona-idUKBRE86J02P20120720

but the more you read into the people involved the stranger the story gets. Fred first heard about the guy back in in early 2000's and could see his huge operation setup and Fred immediatley thought that this is going to cause a huge influx of Methamphetamine into the UK, Fred new this would happen, a few months later Fred gets the first info on the press about Scoland, North flooded with Methamphetamine, there where several cases of busts and it was starting to become a problem, little did anyone know at this time where the precursors where coming from... Fred new as soon as he saw the news about the news headlines, Turned out the family have been extradited to the US(which caused a fuss in itself) to faces charges as they are charged with supplying the US with precursors to make meth, they shipped worldwide...they face 20yrs inside, they have kids too so hope they're not in prison.

Funny thing was they had a live webcam of their lab! showing them making up parcels etc...¬lol but Fred thinks the guy doing it generally wasn't aware of what he was doing, he was a pryo enthusiast who often use all these chems to make fireworks so who knows but Fred don't think he realized what he was doing but if you look into the past(paper articles and the guys websites about his persection from cleveland police(UK) you'll see what i mean...u see lots of strange things!! he had a site setup all about his past persecution from Cleveland police years ago not sure if still online but containined all kinds of stuff including phone calls recorded with police officers to prove what was going on, sounds like he was geneuinely being targetted.

Fred wanted to bring this up, it hit the main news headlines in the UK last year(?) and not sure where the case is at or if they got senteneced but Fred confirms this guys operation was what brought the flood of Meth into the UK a few years back, im sure it's gone now along with his business although there will be some guys left doing small bits i'n sure... Similar sites selling very cheap ephedrine so don't take a genius to work out whats happening....

Anyone who bought products from this guy while he was trading even totally innocently has a followup house call from the serious suits as part of the huge investigation which spans multiple coutries.

Want to thank my friend Fred for providing this relevant info the debate.... hope it epxlains a little more about how the UK's most recent Meth influx came about..


Back in the day Fred used to get speed which would be crystals sometimes cut with glucose and one dab on your finger would keep you up all night long with no exageration but the quality dropped... and dropped. Paste was the main speed type when i used to be into it and came like toothpaste in a bag! very smelly! , some poor, not sure how they make this or what the chamical name is but i always though paste was (AKA)Anne Fet sulphate, was bad for buring your mouth out! seriously like acid... had major probs once upon a time through this...

who owns blulight now? any links to info on this? and where did the name bluelight come from sounds like a police car light to me!


Speaking of Breaking Bad, thats my all time fav series right now... love it!! if your into speed films you gotta check an old film called "Love An a .45" wicked film with speed freaks, u will love it if you not seen it, it's know of those films which seemed to go unoticed, pick a copy up if u can, i lost mine years ago!
 
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sooncome said:
I am surprised no one has mentioned a certain case which has been going on for some time now which i won't go into too much details but my friend Fred tells me more info...

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/20/uk-usa-methamphetamine-arizona-idUKBRE86J02P20120720

but the more you read into the people involved the stranger the story gets. Fred first heard about the guy back in in early 2000's and could see his huge operation setup and Fred immediatley thought that this is going to cause a huge influx of Methamphetamine into the UK, Fred new this would happen, a few months later Fred gets the first info on the press about Scoland, North flooded with Methamphetamine, there where several cases of busts and it was starting to become a problem, little did anyone know at this time where the precursors where coming from... Fred new as soon as he saw the news about the news headlines, Turned out the family have been extradited to the US(which caused a fuss in itself) to faces charges as they are charged with supplying the US with precursors to make meth, they shipped worldwide...they face 20yrs inside, they have kids too so hope they're not in prison.

Funny thing was they had a live webcam of their lab! showing them making up parcels etc...¬lol but Fred thinks the guy doing it generally wasn't aware of what he was doing, he was a pryo enthusiast who often use all these chems to make fireworks so who knows but Fred don't think he realized what he was doing but if you look into the past(paper articles and the guys websites about his persection from cleveland police(UK) you'll see what i mean...u see lots of strange things!! he had a site setup all about his past persecution from Cleveland police years ago not sure if still online but containined all kinds of stuff including phone calls recorded with police officers to prove what was going on, sounds like he was geneuinely being targetted.

Fred wanted to bring this up, it hit the main news headlines in the UK last year(?) and not sure where the case is at or if they got senteneced but Fred confirms this guys operation was what brought the flood of Meth into the UK a few years back, im sure it's gone now along with his business although there will be some guys left doing small bits i'n sure... Similar sites selling very cheap ephedrine so don't take a genius to work out whats happening....

Anyone who bought products from this guy while he was trading even totally innocently has a followup house call from the serious suits as part of the huge investigation which spans multiple coutries.

Want to thank my friend Fred for providing this relevant info the debate.... hope it epxlains a little more about how the UK's most recent Meth influx came about..


Back in the day Fred used to get speed which would be crystals sometimes cut with glucose and one dab on your finger would keep you up all night long with no exageration but the quality dropped... and dropped. Paste was the main speed type when i used to be into it and came like toothpaste in a bag! very smelly! , some poor, not sure how they make this or what the chamical name is but i always though paste was (AKA)Anne Fet sulphate, was bad for buring your mouth out! seriously like acid... had major probs once upon a time through this...

who owns blulight now? any links to info on this? and where did the name bluelight come from sounds like a police car light to me!


Speaking of Breaking Bad, thats my all time fav series right now... love it!! if your into speed films you gotta check an old film called "Love An a .45" wicked film with speed freaks, u will love it if you not seen it, it's know of those films which seemed to go unoticed, pick a copy up if u can, i lost mine years ago!
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what you described above sounds very much like a form of methamphetamine, usually called 'base' here in sydney. Its Methamphetamine hcl (exactly same as 'ice') with the same initial synth but this type of meth does has not gone through the final few processes like freebasing, adjusting the ph level and recrystalisation. These steps are not included because 'base' is usually affliated with snorting or eating rather than smoking, and those final proceeses reduce the impurities that will burn and make crystalisation impossible, adjusting its ph to extend its melting and burning point. Also iin the final product its beneficial in 'base' to contain some impurities left over from initial production as this can give a more speedy like feel than its 'ice' cousin that is alot more smoother. lol its smell to me is like a mix between cats piss and squashed dead ants ants (the ones found in backyard gardens)
 
OND43X said:
what you described above sounds very much like a form of methamphetamine, usually called 'base' here in sydney. Its Methamphetamine hcl (exactly same as 'ice') with the same initial synth but this type of meth does has not gone through the final few processes like freebasing, adjusting the ph level and recrystalisation. These steps are not included because 'base' is usually affliated with snorting or eating rather than smoking, and those final proceeses reduce the impurities that will burn and make crystalisation impossible, adjusting its ph to extend its melting and burning point. Also iin the final product its beneficial in 'base' to contain some impurities left over from initial production as this can give a more speedy like feel than its 'ice' cousin that is alot more smoother. lol its smell to me is like a mix between cats piss and squashed dead ants ants (the ones found in backyard gardens)
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Isn't base methamphetamine a thick oil?

The one thing that put me off meth is the absolutely insane ramblings of people who're selling it. Parttime crackhead, check the route that's overpriced for everything else and you'll see what I mean, compared to other drugs.
 
Cornishman said:
^^ He said it's salt but they still call it base.
A bit like peeps here calling low purity sulphate the same thing I guess.
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My mistake!

Anyway, I've heard of meth being available locally now with a few reports of kids being up for 5 days straight. I'd say it's becoming more widespread. However, whenever I mention I've tried it* if the conversation goes that way, I'm still greeted with looks of disgust/shock "shit is worse than heroin! 8( " so not quite there yet.

*For the record, I think it's crap. Maybe the PV heads will love it, I don't know. I think I ruined any stimulant enjoyment during the meph days.
 
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