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Anyone seen methamphetamine in the UK/Europe?

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It might be easy to make but I think you're underestimating how much more difficult it would be to make within the UK, and how unentrepeneurial our dealers are. It would definitely take off if it was there, but they are just way too lazy to go to the effort of procuring all those raw materials, then making and distributing it in a way that doesn't get them caught. Dealers in the UK will just about stretch to doing a grow op (badly), and that's pushing it. 99% of them want a product there that they can just sell.
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I think your a bit naive to think dealers are unentrepeneurial. The cuts they use in coke/meph/ket these days are pretty genius.

100% of all dealers ideally wants something they can just sell.

It's not going to take off mainly because of the stigma. Most people will happily sniff up a line of coke, whip out a bag of meth after the pub and I'm sure you'd get some dirty looks. All stems from the image created by the media/addicts in the US, that "faces of meth" is probably the main one.

The way it is quite a few people I know have tried it, it's rare though. Most people who've tried it are at least semi clued up, they've had to be concidering the way I'd imagine most of them got it. A meth sesh is a lot more commitment than your average coke/meph user is willing to put into a binge.
 
rockstar 69 said:
It's not going to take off mainly because of the stigma.

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Stigma didn't seem to harm ketamine. When I first came to this board Ketamine was seen as a dirty drug for dirty people. The drug that ruined the dance scene.

Didn't take long for quite a few people to change their minds.
 
Ketamine's a real 'you have to be there' drug though. From the outside it looks about as appealing as concussion.
 
Albion said:
Ketamine's a real 'you have to be there' drug though. From the outside it looks about as appealing as concussion.
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Yep. Far less appealing looking than a chatty meth session. Yet still people's heads were turned. That's my point.
 
Haha i'll never forget my first time doing ket. Some guy I made super best friends with on ecstasy gave me a key, and my friend came upto me like "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!!!" 10 minutes later he's doing bumps... then 2 hours later we were back at our halls with some random girls who were holding keys and lines upto our noses well beyond the point at which we could have fed it to ourselves.

I don't think it's stigma stopping dealers selling it or the meth catching on. I honestly think it occurs to some dealers to do it, then when the precursors aren't within easy reach they give up really quickly. The ones who succeed aren't exactly chemistry buffs and they are soon caught because the place catchs on fire or the fumes give them away. Guaranteed if they could import it from some third world country for a decent price they would be all over it.
 
Is it not true though that Meth can be made anywhere, with the right chemicals?
Wheras the plant drugs, such as cocaine and heroin require the right climate etc to grow the plants to produce on a mass scale
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
Haha i'll never forget my first time doing ket. Some guy I made super best friends with on ecstasy gave me a key, and my friend came upto me like "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!!!" 10 minutes later he's doing bumps... then 2 hours later we were back at our halls with some random girls who were holding keys and lines upto our noses well beyond the point at which we could have fed it to ourselves.

I don't think it's stigma stopping dealers selling it or the meth catching on. I honestly think it occurs to some dealers to do it, then when the precursors aren't within easy reach they give up really quickly. The ones who succeed aren't exactly chemistry buffs and they are soon caught because the place catchs on fire or the fumes give them away. Guaranteed if they could import it from some third world country for a decent price they would be all over it.
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One way to look at it is this - Say I want to start selling drugs & I'm doing it solely for profit so what drug it is & whether I like it or not doesn't matter, all that matters is profit. Do I go miles out of my way on a mad wild goose chase trying in vain to track down bulk quantities of meth from somewhere (or go on the hunt for precursors, figure out how to make it, set up all the equipment & blow myself up in the process) & then hope to fuck I can convince people to buy it or do I just buy shady coke which is incredibly easily available in as large an amount as I could possibly want & incredibly easy to shift in as large amounts as I could possibly want?

So that's on the level of someone who buys say a kilo at a time max. There's got to be loads of kilo buyers to justify the dude higher up buying the bigger bit & so on. There definitely aren't thousands of people out there right now trying to buy kilos of methampetamine who are creating the market for someone to produce multiple (meaning 100s or 1000s) kilos of it.

If you're going to deal drugs for money imo it would be silly to try to do it with meth (in the UK, at the moment) when you could do it far far easier with cocaine.
 
parttime crackhead said:
If you're going to deal drugs for money imo it would be silly to try to do it with meth (in the UK, at the moment) when you could do it far far easier with cocaine.
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I wonder what the profit magin is on Meth. I know its pretty big on coke, especially when cunts start cutting it to shit along the way. I dont imagine Meth is so easy to do that, but I dont know much about it
 
Maximum penalties if caught = maximum risk = maximum profit.

The price of it in somewhere like London is ridiculous so theres no doubt in my mind somone is seriously coining it in.
 
I said before I think but 'they' have made quite detailed 'how to spot a meth lab' information posters for fire stations nationally so they must have significant evidence there's reason to do this.

I firmly believe it will take a hold here in time.
 
th3 s1aught3r said:
I wonder what the profit magin is on Meth. I know its pretty big on coke, especially when cunts start cutting it to shit along the way. I dont imagine Meth is so easy to do that, but I dont know much about it
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The profit margin on coke is bananas. It must be far higher on meth if you're the one producing the stuff but then there's nowhere even close to the same size of market.

B&W - I think it will eventually but imo the arse needs to fall out the cocaine market first. Purely looking at it from the dealers perspective. There's no incentive whatsoever to shift to selling meth when you can still very easily make an absolute fortune selling ching. If everyone stopped buying shit coke then I could see it kicking off, but I doubt that'll happen anytime soon.

There aren't millions of people out there demanding meth every Friday night because they don't know they like it because no-one is selling it. No-one is selling it because people aren't demanding it. The circle of meth, or the circle of no-meth even.
 
The amount dealers could make from addiction is an interesting one too. If they get a fuckton of ignorant people wasting it up their nose then yes, they are quids in. But if everyone becomes a clever bugger with lightbulbs and/or water pipes then a gram can go a very very long way. Not so much profit.

Having a base of long distance lorry drivers helps too.

But if the CIA ever decide we're having it, we're having it.
 
No way crackhead. If you were producing meth and knocking out grams at even £75 you'd be a rich man, and it seems now it's more like £100 for proper shit anyway.

The profit on coke is shit unless it's cut to bits. I mean if we're talking cut included meth still wins, you could put the meth down to 10% pure cut with glucose dyed blue and it would wipe the floor with any other speed about.

Far more money you'd be cutting out a good few middlemen.
 
rockstar 69 said:
No way crackhead. If you were producing meth and knocking out grams at even £75 you'd be a rich man, and it seems now it's more like £100 for proper shit anyway.

The profit on coke is shit unless it's cut to bits. I mean if we're talking cut included meth still wins, you could put the meth down to 10% pure cut with glucose dyed blue and it would wipe the floor with any other speed about.

Far more money you'd be cutting out a good few middlemen.
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No way what? I said that the profit on meth would be higher. The profit on coke is a lot though. Unless much has changed in the £30 a g market in the past few years, the only thing I can see that has changed is that the stuff has got shitter (but still sells), ounces have got cheaper (I'm not aware of current prices for large bits but they must have got cheaper as well) so if anything the profit has went up since I cared about it.

There's far more money if you were shifting the same amount of meth but there's fucking no chance that you could sell the same amount of meth as you could coke. Who the fuck does 10g of meth in a night then phones you for more at 6am?
 
Basically yes your 100% limiting the amount of hands its passing through.

Cocaine would have to travel half way cross the world and pass through several hands, id say if you knew the right people CM probally could just pass direct from manafacturer maybe once more to one main dealer and then thats it, and UK based, no borders.

when i asked around maybe even say 5 or 6 years ago I was told the price of a gram of tina always fluctuates but was probally around £160 for a gram, since its now been made class a and its considered to be the most serious at the moment thats more like £240. Its sold in 1/4 grams for £60

I cant think of any positives about the drug but on a plus note if there is one is that all the dealers in London so ive been told will not except 2nd rate crystal for that, not at those prices, so its always guaranteed to be clear/white transparent to semi frosted crystals at worst. it would never be like rockstar was talking about crank, or wet sludge, or yellow, or brown, or pink, or any other dodgy colour with heavy byproducts.

Shame all the dealers i no dont have that kind of quality control over what mdma they sell because they dont give a shit if its brown, or green or grey or wet or whatever
 
dee_dee said:
Basically yes your 100% limiting the amount of hands its passing through.

Cocaine would have to travel half way cross the world and pass through several hands, id say if you knew the right people CM probally could just pass direct from manafacturer maybe once more to one main dealer and then thats it, and UK based, no borders.
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Why would your average dealer care how many people had touched it before he got it though? Or where it had originally came from? Do you think boys who buy pub-cocaine a kilo at a time have any idea whatsoever how it got into the country, who brought it into the country, where it came from etc? I can assure you they don't. All that matters is the price you pay for it & the price you can sell it at. Doesn't matter if it comes from Jimmy down the road's gran's auntie's niece's dug or if it comes straight from Pablo Escobar's ghost.

Your prices are a bit wild as well. If I decided to go out my way to get crystal meth it would cost me £100 a g.
 
It could be like the way Crack Cocaine never really took off over here like it did in the US, as far as I know
 
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