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Anyone seen methamphetamine in the UK/Europe?

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i wouldnt even waste my time taking it anyway its a complete waste of money at any price, but then thats just my opinion.
 
Ouch lol £240?! That's just someone knowing there are people with money. Most expensive I've ever seen a gram is £125. Even locally it's £10 for .1 when it's about.

Dee dee I duno what your on about tbh but a g of the very best clear gram shards from the US is £80. Your mates are getting bumped stupid.

There's far more money if you were shifting the same amount of meth but there's fucking no chance that you could sell the same amount of meth as you could coke. Who the fuck does 10g of meth in a night then phones you for more at 6am?
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Yeah because of the market here you would make more off the shit coke (cos you can shift more). But if you were selling grams at half the price Dee dee's mates pay you would be making 10 times the % profit easily.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
It matters to the price and profit margin PT.
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rockstar 69 said:
Yeah because of the market here you would make more off the shit coke (cos you can shift more). But if you were selling grams at half the price Dee dee's mates pay you would be making 10 times the % profit easily.
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Aye, I get that the profit margin is going to be far higher. What I'm getting at though is that there is no real incentive for your average dealer to go selling the stuff over cocaine (& also that your average dealer cares not what journey the drug has been on before it reaches his hands). He will make a higher percentage from the meth, I totally agree, but he'll make more money (in a shorter period of time) from the coke. That's what I meant by the arse would have to fall right out the cocaine market before meth could really take off big, before lots of dealers would want to sell it over cocaine.
 
Im not saying its going to skyrocket and become the drug of choice or anything like that. (its just not practical enough anyway)

What im saying is, when you say go to chill outs or parties like in central london as i have always done someone will say lets call a dealer we all know this situation, now let me think, in the past youd all ask whats on the menu and youd decide what you want, in the past the menu would be the typical classics, youd have your mdma crystal, k, meph, coke, maybe a pill although rare, now youll find thats usually on the menu now as well.

My opinion is if thats the case, then somone somewhere must be taking it, it wouldnt be available otherwise, and it also opens up opportunity for people who say wouldnt normally have availability to it to have acess to it.

In that context you cant say its not more common now, more people cant be doing it, more people in the future arent going to doing it. it will become a bit more common and easier to get hold of in the future guaranteed.

Maybe we can have this discussion in another couple more years time and see if anythings changed, that would be intersting.

I doubt the dynamics are going to shift in any extreme way but i think it will progress some more
 
Generally the people who sell all different kinds of drugs don't get the best quality and charge more. Like the pills off my flake contact are shit, or the coke off the local meph dealers is shit.. etc.

what I meant by the arse would have to fall right out the cocaine market before meth could really take off big
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It already has and meth is still not happening. I think another major reason is it's just not practical to be strung out for 24hours off a couple of doses.
 
Aye I suppose. Now that I think about if it was going to properly replace anything it would have been regular speed & the speed market went to absolute shit a long time ago. Maybe if old school speed was still as popular now, so that people were used to the long duration in comparison to MD or coke, then meth would be bigger now that it's seemingly at least a bit easier to get a hold of than it was a few years ago.

That's from a users perspective though, if the supply was there. I still think from a dealers perspective that it can't be difficult to shift a lot of the usual stuff (coke, eccies, ket) so there's not really any need to go selling meth, especially as there's not a massive demand.
 
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If you're importing coke it's an easy 50x mark up, and they do that by 100kg-ton amounts that they don't have to make or fuck about with really. Once that's here it would all be gone rapid. With meth if you made it yourself you'd actually make less of a mark up selling it by breaking down big bits into kgs. It would also move out the door slowly, you'd have to build the market etc. The headache of importation wouldn't be gone, because you'd need to get in several very watched chemicals. Then to make those sorts of amounts you're going to need a whole operation of maybe 10-20 micro labs. Then once you'd built the market you'd have competitors who'd drive the price down extremely low. We're basically talking about the sort of Breaking Bad mexican cartel sort of shit that our dealers don't do - they rarely if ever make mdma for us. If we do ever see meth all over the place it will be because the market grew very very slowly, 1 lab dealer by 1 lab dealer, and they are easy to take out, because for the most part they have no or little idea that every time they buy ephedrine that will get them watched.

Also, people in the UK are idiots. The idea that you can do 50mg, which they couldn't quantify with their half g lines of fake coke, wouldn't click with them. It wouldn't satisfy them. It's the same reason MXE didn't catch on. Ultimately there are only a small amount of people in the UK who want to be full time wreck heads compared to the UK, plus other countries meth users often started out as workers wanting to do longer shifts who then fell into addiction - I can't see that happening here.
 
I'm fairly sure methamphetamine took off so catastrophically in the US because of widespread poverty and unemployment.

Although we've got our fair share of poverty and unemployment, we have nothing on the US.

Maybe the average working guy can't or won't spare the time for methamphetamine.
 
Albion said:
I'm fairly sure methamphetamine took off so catastrophically in the US because of widespread poverty and unemployment.

Although we've got our fair share of poverty and unemployment, we have nothing on the US.

Maybe the average working guy just can't spare the time needed to nurture a meth habit.
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Meth could also be seen as a reflection of want among poorer people in the US. If you're poor there you're much poorer, so you're going to think meth is an awesome and cheap drug at first, when it only costs you what? £30 for your first binge, at a max? They obviously want to be doing coke, but not only does it not come to middle America, they can't afford it. And where would they do it? Doing coke for the sake of it going about your day is reserved for when you're properly addicted, but with meth that seems to be pretty normal right from the first few times.
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
Meth could also be seen as a reflection of want among poorer people in the US. If you're poor there you're much poorer, so you're going to think meth is an awesome and cheap drug at first, when it only costs you what? £30 for your first binge, at a max? They obviously want to be doing coke, but not only does it not come to middle America, they can't afford it. And where would they do it? Doing coke for the sake of it going about your day is reserved for when you're properly addicted, but with meth that seems to be pretty normal right from the first few times.
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Mephedrone was the UK's crystal meth. For 16 year olds.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Meth is not addictive from "the first few times". Let's get that just say no shit out of the way eh?
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I didn't say that any way. I said that once you start using it, it seems more functional. Doing some meth in a house seems like the sort of thing I could validate to get some cleaning or work done or something. Nothing is addictive the first time, and that's the problem with addiction. You don't know when you are until you really are most of the time.
 
Lol is it getting late here chaps?

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Aye I suppose. Now that I think about if it was going to properly replace anything it would have been regular speed & the speed market went to absolute shit a long time ago. Maybe if old school speed was still as popular now, so that people were used to the long duration in comparison to MD or coke, then meth would be bigger now that it's seemingly at least a bit easier to get a hold of than it was a few years ago.

That's from a users perspective though, if the supply was there. I still think from a dealers perspective that it can't be difficult to shift a lot of the usual stuff (coke, eccies, ket) so there's not really any need to go selling meth, especially as there's not a massive demand.
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I agree with that even what's concidered "good speed" is usually utter shite. The best of the best speed I've ever had locally someone got busted and it came back at 23%. I've done a lot of speed and know a lot of stim freaks round here and that was the best I've ever had locally. 20% meth based "speed" would wipe the floor with the market round here.

That said the majority of coke is even more pitiful. It's not quite as sad though cos generally the people doing the shit ching are just buying an eighth, blasting it round town and home to bed by 5am. The speed being 5% or less is worse cos these people are often commiting to staying up for 3 days eating a gram bomb every 2 hours.

Meth ftw.

MSB
If you're importing coke it's an easy 50x mark up, and they do that by 100kg-ton amounts that they don't have to make or fuck about with really. Once that's here it would all be gone rapid. With meth if you made it yourself you'd actually make less of a mark up selling it by breaking down big bits into kgs. It would also move out the door slowly, you'd have to build the market etc. The headache of importation wouldn't be gone, because you'd need to get in several very watched chemicals. Then to make those sorts of amounts you're going to need a whole operation of maybe 10-20 micro labs. Then once you'd built the market you'd have competitors who'd drive the price down extremely low. We're basically talking about the sort of Breaking Bad mexican cartel sort of shit that our dealers don't do - they rarely if ever make mdma for us. If we do ever see meth all over the place it will be because the market grew very very slowly, 1 lab dealer by 1 lab dealer, and they are easy to take out, because for the most part they have no or little idea that every time they buy ephedrine that will get them watched.
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You've pretty much covered all ends of exactly why it's not common in the UK here. I think it would only be a more intellegent dealer who didn't want to deal with gangsters involved in the cocaine trade or sell poor quality drugs that would do it. Someone clued up like a BL'er with a lot of chemical knowledge and interest too.

Also there is nowhere near that kind of mark up on importing coke. The guys at that level aren't the ones doing the cutting it's the guys who buy 5kgs of pure and turn it into 15kg that do the cutting. The importers have no need probably 20x mark up when buying 100kg, maybe slightly less.

MSB
Also, people in the UK are idiots. The idea that you can do 50mg, which they couldn't quantify with their half g lines of fake coke, wouldn't click with them. It wouldn't satisfy them. It's the same reason MXE didn't catch on. Ultimately there are only a small amount of people in the UK who want to be full time wreck heads compared to the US, plus other countries meth users often started out as workers wanting to do longer shifts who then fell into addiction - I can't see that happening here
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