RCs Big n Dandy 4-FA (4-fluoroamphetamine) thread v.1.0

[Euphoric Status]

Tried 4-FA twice and loved it. Such a shame what kind of damage it can do to you. Guess I'm done with this stuff.

Wait a second... MDMA! Haha.

 

[atrollappears]

i saw an answer to this somewhere once.... fluorine is more similar to hydrogen than it is to chlorine was one thing i remember hearing... i think someone else mentioned rat studies or something that showed that 4-FA isn't neurotoxic like 4-CA, but i might be imagining that its been a minute.

No, fluorine is not more similar to hydrogen than fluorine. However, 4-FA does not seem to be neurotoxic to serotonin neurons in rats.

Tried 4-FA twice and loved it. Such a shame what kind of damage it can do to you. Guess I'm done with this stuff.

Wait a second... MDMA! Haha.

What damage? It's a fairly benign stimulant as far as I can tell, I don't see what it could do to you that another couldn't...
Edit: Ooooh, you're talking about the similarity to para-chloroamphetamine.

Just so you know, the post referenced here

Hey, I was wondering if anyone here had an opinion on this person's warnings about the potentially high neurotoxicity of 4-FA (due to its great similarity to 4-CA): http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=175262 ? This guy seems to be the lone voice on the internet.

is bullshit. I can go into the chemical details if you want, but it should be evidence enough that 4-FA doesn't cause long-term 5-HT depletion in rats (a reliable indicator of neurotoxicity) while almost every other serotonin releasing agent under the sun does, obviously including mephedrone, MDMA, MDA, methamphetamine, etc.

 

[white_magic]

is bullshit. I can go into the chemical details if you want, but it should be evidence enough that 4-FA doesn't cause long-term 5-HT depletion in rats (a reliable indicator of neurotoxicity) while almost every other serotonin releasing agent under the sun does, obviously including mephedrone, MDMA, MDA, methamphetamine, etc.

That's nice to hear. The consensus seems to be that 4-FA is not neurotoxic, so I shall gleefully embrace it. I do have one question, though - considering that it's serotonergic, is it important to take breaks between using it?

What about using it on a daily basis, at low doses (for concentration purposes)?

 

[THCified]

The consensus seems to be that 4-FA is not neurotoxic

I wouldn't say it isn't non-neurotoxic, but as it seems not that much as other compounds with a similar work-mechanism.

I'm seeing people now doin' this stuff in hellish amounts because they read here that it isn't "that bad" for ones health, but no one does exactly know how bad it really is!

 

[heavywater]

Tried this stuff a few times last year and will never touch it again.

I am very experienced with stimulants, and have tried pretty much every RC and illegal stim out there, and this stuff gave me the most unpleasant comedown and after-effects of any of them.

Doses from 30 mg to 50 mg provided maybe an hour or two of pleasant stimulation followed by several hours of anxiety and tweakiness.

Doses from 100 - 150 mg provided a 3 - 4 hour, super-speedy, quasi-MDMA esque roll which quickly faded into stimulated anxiety that lasts 12+ hours and keeps your pupils dilated for up to 24 hours. I did a full dose like this twice, and both times I experienced the most hellish, suicidally depressing comedown I have ever had. Makes the MDMA crash look friendly and fuzzy by comparison. Felt like I had a serious flu, muscles were fucked, and it seemed as if all the happiness had been drained out of the world. Also, for 2 days following the dose, I experienced 'brain zaps' when standing up or walking that made me feel dizzy, as if I was about to pass out. Very worrisome symptoms all around.

Even Desoxypipradrol and MDPV, which have both fucked my head into complete psychosis in the past due to lack of self control, have an easier comedown than this stuff.

I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from trying it, because everyone reacts differently to these compounds, but I wanted to share my experience. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had this reaction from 4-FA. Be careful!

 

[BananasAndOranges]

Tried this stuff a few times last year and will never touch it again.

I am very experienced with stimulants, and have tried pretty much every RC and illegal stim out there, and this stuff gave me the most unpleasant comedown and after-effects of any of them.

Doses from 30 mg to 50 mg provided maybe an hour or two of pleasant stimulation followed by several hours of anxiety and tweakiness.

Doses from 100 - 150 mg provided a 3 - 4 hour, super-speedy, quasi-MDMA esque roll which quickly faded into stimulated anxiety that lasts 12+ hours and keeps your pupils dilated for up to 24 hours. I did a full dose like this twice, and both times I experienced the most hellish, suicidally depressing comedown I have ever had. Makes the MDMA crash look friendly and fuzzy by comparison. Felt like I had a serious flu, muscles were fucked, and it seemed as if all the happiness had been drained out of the world. Also, for 2 days following the dose, I experienced 'brain zaps' when standing up or walking that made me feel dizzy, as if I was about to pass out. Very worrisome symptoms all around.

Even Desoxypipradrol and MDPV, which have both fucked my head into complete psychosis in the past due to lack of self control, have an easier comedown than this stuff.

I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from trying it, because everyone reacts differently to these compounds, but I wanted to share my experience. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had this reaction from 4-FA. Be careful!

This Doesn't sound like 4-FA at ALL guy. 12 hours?!No....Did you redose? if not someone cut your shit.

 

[Ix ST0N3D ioooo]

will be starting 2 week trial in morning

also found this
NOT MY TRIAL

4-FA's effects with regular use over 4 months.
For reference, I only parachute or gelcap it. Snorting it is too painful to be worth it, the one time I attempted plugging/enema-ing, it didn't work, and I'm too much of a pussy to shoot it or anything.

I've been doing 4-FA 4-5 times a week every week (except for one 7-day break) since december, and, surprisingly, it has yet to lose it's luster. Trying to do it more than 4 times in a week makes it lose it's euphoria, but taking a two day break always brings it back. The two day breaks aren't too bad, no crushing depression or anhedonia, just boredom and low energy with long, vivid dreams. (The dreams are odd. Not scary, just... odd).

Last month I took a 7 day break to see how it'd feel. Surprisingly, once I got past the first two days, the next 5 were easy. It was like I never took anything at all. Sure, there were cravings, but nothing that wasn't managable.

My tolerance is higher than most, needing 350mg or so to feel the way I used to off of 150mg. Other than that, the regular use has made me lose weight (190 to 150 since starting), destroyed my social anxiety, and has made me a lot more friends as a result.

Only negative side effects I've noticed is loud tinnitus on the two day breaks, (which went away by day 4 of the 7-day break) and my blood pressure being rather low on days I don't have it. (noticed when I went to the doctor for an unrelated problem and I was told my blood pressure was 90/60 (120/80 being average)). I know that sounds low, but high blood pressure is far more deadly and if it was a cause to worry my doctor would have said so.

Reason I'm posting this is because most 4-FA reports on the internet have been about a single use rather than a lot of use overtime.

Disclaimer: There's a chance I could just be extremely lucky here, don't go ahead and do what I did without realizing that it's still an RC and you might have side effects that I didn't. I went in to this knowing the risks, and I was planning to stop as soon as the negative side effects became unbearable. They never did, so I never stopped.

 

[The King of Beans]

this shit put my friend in the hospital. he tried to kill himself. had paranoid attack. totally skitzo. it was horrible to see. he didnt even take that much. he took butylone earlier in the day, then stayed up all night from drinking some 4fa mixed in water. i would never touch it with a ten foot pole. he still has residual paranoia from it to this day and has to antipsychotics for it. he also messed with 4mec and mppp as well though and was IVing them.

however, when he tried to kill himself it was the 4 fa. never ever seen anything like it. didnt even take a large dose.

No offense bro, but I don't think it was the 4-FA that caused your friend to almost kill himself. 4-FA doesnt make you psychotic from just one dose(As far as I know). It's probably all the other shit he was doing combined with it. 4-FA alone is a clean drug in my experience, really mellow and relaxed. No thoughts of suicide, as it releases serotonin. Hope your friend is doing well.


And to the guy above who said he's too much of a "pussy" to shoot 4-FA...you're not a pussy for not shooting. Only idiots shoot stuff up. That is a clear way to get addicted to stuff. Always eat your dope. Never snort or shoot it. And don't plug it either...that's just gay.

 

[The King of Beans]

uhh i wouldnt use it at all just because its a research chemical and not much is known about it

have you tried it before at all? im really interested in the effects, please post an experience and a comparison to say, adderall if youve taken it

There's not much known about anything in life...you just have to take some risks some time. Just driving a motor vehicle is a risk (much more so than taking a dose of 4-FA) So think about that before you get scared to try something new.

lol

 

[The King of Beans]

Tried this stuff a few times last year and will never touch it again.

I am very experienced with stimulants, and have tried pretty much every RC and illegal stim out there, and this stuff gave me the most unpleasant comedown and after-effects of any of them.

Doses from 30 mg to 50 mg provided maybe an hour or two of pleasant stimulation followed by several hours of anxiety and tweakiness.

Doses from 100 - 150 mg provided a 3 - 4 hour, super-speedy, quasi-MDMA esque roll which quickly faded into stimulated anxiety that lasts 12+ hours and keeps your pupils dilated for up to 24 hours. I did a full dose like this twice, and both times I experienced the most hellish, suicidally depressing comedown I have ever had. Makes the MDMA crash look friendly and fuzzy by comparison. Felt like I had a serious flu, muscles were fucked, and it seemed as if all the happiness had been drained out of the world. Also, for 2 days following the dose, I experienced 'brain zaps' when standing up or walking that made me feel dizzy, as if I was about to pass out. Very worrisome symptoms all around.

Even Desoxypipradrol and MDPV, which have both fucked my head into complete psychosis in the past due to lack of self control, have an easier comedown than this stuff.

I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from trying it, because everyone reacts differently to these compounds, but I wanted to share my experience. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had this reaction from 4-FA. Be careful!

Wow that's crazy bro. I did about 250 mg's first time I ever tried the stuff and I had an unpleasant comedown (Was hard to sleep or get comfortable) But nothing like what you mentioned. I actually redosed 3 more times that same week (With less each time) and the comedown was not bad at all the last two times. I wonder why you reacted so harshly to the stuff? Most people find the stuff to be easy on the body. I get a lot worse next day effects from 6-apb than I do from 4-FA. I think less than 1% of the people who do this drug will get a harsh reaction like you got. I've never heard of anyone else say this and I've read lots and lots of reports. I did hear of 1 person on Eroiwd who called it the "flu" drug but it's possible they're just allergic to it.

 

[-PsycheNausia-]

I personally love 4fa
Normal amphet is wank in the uk atm
So I was browsing my 4fa source and they have started stocking 2fa and 3fa

Can anyone tell me the difference between these?
I might take a punt and buy all 3 for testing as there all the same price. Which has me further stumped as to what the difference could be?

 

[6apbhmm]

4 is generally considered to be best, I also tried 3 and it seemed like a pure speed, speedier than 4 and less empathic.
There arent many reports on 2.

 

[Secret Agent Chick]

So 4-FA isn't supposed to be very neurotoxic? Would 3-FA be even less so? I'm assuming that 3-FA works less on serotonin as it goes more down the stim road?

I'm on a low dosage of SSRI (20mg Lexapro daily) but am always wary of the dreaded serotonin syndrome.

 

[6apbhmm]

Seems its not very neurotoxic, mentioned many times in this thread

 

[C6541]

No offense bro, but I don't think it was the 4-FA that caused your friend to almost kill himself. 4-FA doesnt make you psychotic from just one dose(As far as I know). It's probably all the other shit he was doing combined with it. 4-FA alone is a clean drug in my experience, really mellow and relaxed. No thoughts of suicide, as it releases serotonin. Hope your friend is doing well.

I was under the impression that a stimulant psychosis can happen, albeit rarely, from one use in susceptible people. I've certainly had really bad reactions to amphetamine from a single dose, not to the extent of full-blown psychosis, but still it can happen. Maybe it's less likely for 4-FA, I'm not sure, but care should be taken with any amphetamine stimulant in regards to psychiatric events in certain people.

 

[white_magic]

Anyone here have an idea of how much serotonin 4-FA releases? I've been dosing 30-40 mg of 4-FA for the past 4 days and it's been lovely so far. But I don't want to fall into MDMA-like depression eventually.

 

[DexterMeth]

^How would anyone know how much serotonin is released in your body from any drug? Do you own some sort of magic serotonin seismometer?

There's not much known about anything in life...you just have to take some risks some time. Just driving a motor vehicle is a risk (much more so than taking a dose of 4-FA) So think about that before you get scared to try something new.

lol

By that logic, I have really do not know how a car works and if it will explode into flames if I drive it.

4 is generally considered to be best, I also tried 3 and it seemed like a pure speed, speedier than 4 and less empathic.
There arent many reports on 2.

The best? Compared to what, and how is it generally considered the best? By whom as well?

I agree about your comparison of 3-FA to 4-FA though. 4-FA produces more of that golden MDMA roll feeling, whereas 3-FA is strait hard-wired mode.

 

[The King of Beans]

Yeah but exploding into flames is a far worse death than if you were to die from 4-FA (Which I dont think there's ever been a death from the drug yet) As to psychosis from a single dose...well people should know if they are suceptible to that or not. I doubt 4-FA would be the first stimulant they have ever tried.

 

[Paradisum]

Anyone knowthe shelf life of 4fa or how to store it. I'm thinking of stocking up for personal use. All good things must come to an end you know

 

[6apbhmm]

The best? Compared to what, and how is it generally considered the best? By whom as well?

I agree about your comparison of 3-FA to 4-FA though. 4-FA produces more of that golden MDMA roll feeling, whereas 3-FA is strait hard-wired mode.

Compared to 3- and 2- FA, of course, I thought its clear enough. Since both 3- and 2- are more straight speeds, they're not worth taking imo when you can simply take adderall or some else pure stim that has been researched. Whereas 4-FA is a FUN drug thats why its best out of these 3 imo.