RCs Big n Dandy 4-FA (4-fluoroamphetamine) thread v.1.0

[6apbhmm]

Yeah you should have been more clear on that, I thought you're going to do one and just after like 2 hours the other, hence combo.
My only 2 experiences with 3- so far were mixed, not exactly bad but 4- is better so if you can choose do just that. Its more euphoric for sure.

 

[white_magic]

The duration is NOT long....are some of you seriously sensitive to Stimulants or have you Not had any Amphetamines in your LIFE besides Ecstacy? Some of you I dunno What your getting but never has it lasted longer than 3 hours Noticeably Without redose. So do a lot of you take this because you cant get other substances for focus/socializing. I honestly think of it as reallly nice but its not like FUCKING TIIITTSSS MAN you know? IDK

I fit in the category of people you're alluding to. I have only done MDMA, coke & some ADD meds, and, to me, 4-FA has properties of many of them. I like it a lot!

Love 4-FA, gives me the energy I need and also provides a strong roll type feeling and helps out alot socially. I've started with dosing it at around 120 mg, but plan to go as high as 200mg (maybe 100 + a 100 booster 4 or 5 hours in) Since the duration is pleasantly long. Where are your guys sweet spots when dosing this alone? I also think a methylone combo with this would be heaven!

Believe it or not, the highest dose I have taken is 55 mg. When I started out, taking like 40 mg would give me very noticeable mood elevation. Hell, I would feel just high, in general. When I first took it, I would have at least a good 2+ hours of incredibly energy. I couldn't even sit still.

Now I have upped the dose to 50+ mg (*gasp*!!), after having taken it almost every single day for like 10 days. I definitely have a tolerance, but I'm not sure I want to have one. I like the feeling this used to give me. Now it feels more like a gentle stimulation.

And yes, to answer, BananasAndOranges again, some people do take 4-FA pretty much for improved focus. 4-FA definitely provides me that, and for quite some time, too. All around, this is a great drug.

I have not done meth or high doses of some amphetamine, so maybe that's why I can appreciate something like 4-FA. Finally, I apparently do have a much higher sensitivity to stimulants, because everyone seems to be taking double the doses I do. I also gave 50 mg's to someone who never does stimulants (doesn't even drink coffee), and they barely felt anything at all.

But saying all this, I am not perfect. I do have OCD and other minor mental problems. But still, if you use the way I do (Drink a lot of water, try to eat healthy sometimes...and be strong mentally before you even think of using them) then I think the risk of psychosis is virtually zero from a single dose. This is considering of course that you only EAT the stim, No snorting, shooting or other ridiculous ways like smoking or sticking up your ass) Eating dope is the best way to do it. I knew so many people who got hopelessly addicted to oxycodone all because they were dumb enough to snort or smoke it. I always ate my pills, and I did them for an entire year straight, I quit and had very minimal withdrawls which lasted only 1 day. Far easier to quit than pot. Everyone else had to go to rehab because they would get sick as hell if they didnt have the drug. The difference between them and me, was that they took the wrong route when administering the drug. They snort the drug, which causes the effects to wear off much faster, and then they need to take more. Some were taking 15 pills a day, where I never needed more than 1. So this is a big difference. Eating the drug (For me) actually make the effects much stronger, last longer and have less an urge to redose. I've never tried smoking anything but weed and shrooms (and never will)....except for the time when I was a stupid teenager and smoked a ritalin. lol I vaguely remember doing that, but it didnt even give me a buzz.

Man, you're my kind of drug user. I realized a long time ago that chasing the 'ultimate high' is a worthless pursuit, because it is virtually impossible to attain, and maybe if you do, you will never attain it again. Enjoying the more simpler drugs and RoA is the way to go, imho.

 

[PhyllipThylamine]

Some excellent posts on this thread. I agree that compulsion is more likely regardless of compoound with insufflation/snorting. I honestly don't know how ANYONE can snort 4-fa, I seriously wounded my nose after only a couple of 10mg lines & I had to cease snorting ANYTHING for months to ease the problem.

I had some addiction issues with mephedrone a few years ago & it was the first time I've felt such compulsion. My use was hardly severe, compared to many here I got through very little of it. The problem was regularity, using at least 3 or 4 times a week, sometimes consequetively, & loss of appetite. I'm not huge anyway & haven't ever been heavier than 54kg in my whole life. But I dropped to 46kg within about 4 months of discovering drone. My mood was almost permanently low, unless I was using, & I became dissilusiosned with life in general & no longer enjoyed even the simplest of pleasures, sunny days, music etc

Eventually I got a friend to take possession of my supply, lock it away & I started seeking stms with less push & ones I could swallow. I didnt like the effect of drone swallowed. 4-fa filled the gap nicely, but although much less so than with drone, I did suffer some less than pleasant mid-week blues if I used for a long sesh or more than once over a weekend.

Nowadays I try to avoid all & any stim use for 3 out of every 4 weeks. I can even have a 100mg of mephedrone on a Fri & then avoid for a month. At these uses I have not seen a mood effect & my weight has stabilised at 53kg again.

So, although bit of a pointless post, I guess I'm saying moderation in all things.

Peace folks,
Ph

 

[BananasAndOranges]

I fit in the category of people you're alluding to. I have only done MDMA, coke & some ADD meds, and, to me, 4-FA has properties of many of them. I like it a lot!



Believe it or not, the highest dose I have taken is 55 mg. When I started out, taking like 40 mg would give me very noticeable mood elevation. Hell, I would feel just high, in general. When I first took it, I would have at least a good 2+ hours of incredibly energy. I couldn't even sit still.

Now I have upped the dose to 50+ mg (*gasp*!!), after having taken it almost every single day for like 10 days. I definitely have a tolerance, but I'm not sure I want to have one. I like the feeling this used to give me. Now it feels more like a gentle stimulation.

And yes, to answer, BananasAndOranges again, some people do take 4-FA pretty much for improved focus. 4-FA definitely provides me that, and for quite some time, too. All around, this is a great drug.

I have not done meth or high doses of some amphetamine, so maybe that's why I can appreciate something like 4-FA. Finally, I apparently do have a much higher sensitivity to stimulants, because everyone seems to be taking double the doses I do. I also gave 50 mg's to someone who never does stimulants (doesn't even drink coffee), and they barely felt anything at all.



Man, you're my kind of drug user. I realized a long time ago that chasing the 'ultimate high' is a worthless pursuit, because it is virtually impossible to attain, and maybe if you do, you will never attain it again. Enjoying the more simpler drugs and RoA is the way to go, imho.

I just get a little tired of misleading reviews. People talk about this shit lasting or keeping them up all night and to Me thats a sign of zero stimulant background aside from the obvious ones. If you had ever done meth or crack/coke more than a dozen times or use amps frequently this drug should be done completely after 6 hours crash included. I am not saying anyones a pussy or unqualified to give an opinion on this one its just misleading and I want experienced users of amps to know this is a mellow one. The obe time it wasnt was the first encounter I had with some snowy white stuff. That was pushy and hit harder than I expected but the "MDXX"like empathy was over after an hour then I was just stimulated for a few more than...redose. I am sure everyone gets different stuff but I had someone last week tell me they got geeked out off a small ass dose and it made NO SENSE and half the time I dont trust these chemicals or the users anyway.

 

[I Eat Pho]

Is anyone in the U.S now having a hard time obtaining 4-FA? I am NOT here to talk about vendors or anything, I promise, so please don't misunderstand this post. I am simply asking if anyone in the U.S is finding it difficult to get 4-Fa now? I was able to get it from a trusted vendor for a long time and then suddenly they stopped providing it. The legality of it hasn't changed so I'm just wondering what is going on. It's by far my favorite RC and has been for at least 2 years. Any other U.S citizens input would be much obliged.

 

[BananasAndOranges]

Nope. I would use one vendor in the us as of right now maybe 2. One has got some incredibly pure stuff too that I am eager to get.

 

[I Eat Pho]

Nope. I would use one vendor in the us as of right now maybe 2. One has got some incredibly pure stuff too that I am eager to get.

Ahh interesting. Thank you. Just to clarify you said you "would" use one vendor in the U.S right now. "Would"? or you are currently using one vendor? Just clarifying. Thanks.

 

[EMLonergan]

Is anyone in the U.S now having a hard time obtaining 4-FA? I am NOT here to talk about vendors or anything, I promise, so please don't misunderstand this post. I am simply asking if anyone in the U.S is finding it difficult to get 4-Fa now? I was able to get it from a trusted vendor for a long time and then suddenly they stopped providing it. The legality of it hasn't changed so I'm just wondering what is going on. It's by far my favorite RC and has been for at least 2 years. Any other U.S citizens input would be much obliged.

I've no trouble getting any 4-FA around the US.

 

[BananasAndOranges]

Ahh interesting. Thank you. Just to clarify you said you "would" use one vendor in the U.S right now. "Would"? or you are currently using one vendor? Just clarifying. Thanks.

here I will rephrase it. If I had interest in investing in some quality 4-fa I only know of 1 us vendor. I dont know? I am not using any vendors atm. You asked a question regaeding the "U.S." and I am replying to you saying theres def some around. No I do not source.

 

[doppelgänger1]

How does 4-fa compare to methylone?

 

[white_magic]

I just get a little tired of misleading reviews. People talk about this shit lasting or keeping them up all night and to Me thats a sign of zero stimulant background aside from the obvious ones. If you had ever done meth or crack/coke more than a dozen times or use amps frequently this drug should be done completely after 6 hours crash included. I am not saying anyones a pussy or unqualified to give an opinion on this one its just misleading and I want experienced users of amps to know this is a mellow one. The obe time it wasnt was the first encounter I had with some snowy white stuff. That was pushy and hit harder than I expected but the "MDXX"like empathy was over after an hour then I was just stimulated for a few more than...redose. I am sure everyone gets different stuff but I had someone last week tell me they got geeked out off a small ass dose and it made NO SENSE and half the time I dont trust these chemicals or the users anyway.

You don't have to believe me if you don't want. I didn't say I started rolling from 4-FA or anything. But what I did experience was a much greater entactogenic effect than from something like Adderall. As for as how long this drug can keep me up - I cannot say for sure. I do know that me taking this drug and staying up much later have coincided, but maybe I assumed the fallacy of 'correlation implies causation' here. I probably shouldn't have done that. But I also didn't say it kept me up the whole night.

Plus, do consider that some people may have done several stims, but never in super high doses, nor on a regular basis, and, thus, their neurotransmitter receptors might not be as deregulated as yours. Sometimes less can go a long way.

Is anyone in the U.S now having a hard time obtaining 4-FA? I am NOT here to talk about vendors or anything, I promise, so please don't misunderstand this post. I am simply asking if anyone in the U.S is finding it difficult to get 4-Fa now? I was able to get it from a trusted vendor for a long time and then suddenly they stopped providing it. The legality of it hasn't changed so I'm just wondering what is going on. It's by far my favorite RC and has been for at least 2 years. Any other U.S citizens input would be much obliged.

I don't think it's hard to obtain 4-FA in U.S. at all. It doesn't have any notoriety and I don't see why any vendor would refuse to ship it to U.S. Maybe you should look for other vendors.

 

[I Eat Pho]

here I will rephrase it. If I had interest in investing in some quality 4-fa I only know of 1 us vendor. I dont know? I am not using any vendors atm. You asked a question regaeding the "U.S." and I am replying to you saying theres def some around. No I do not source.

Thank you for clarifying. The only reason i was needing to know if "would" meant past-tense is because there was a highly reputable vendor that just recently stopped selling it so I just wanted to make sure that wasn't who you were speaking of. I never in a million years would ask you to source so that last sentence wasn't necessary and I made that very clear in my first post. I've been lurking here long enough to know the rules. But thank you for responding anyway. Much appreciated.

 

[I Eat Pho]

How does 4-fa compare to methylone?

I actually have found them to be quite similar. 4-FA to me seems a bit more speedier and a bit less empathogenic while Methylone is the opposite (less speedy and a bit more empathogenic) but this may be subjective although I've heard many similar reports from others. I used to dose 4-fa and then 3-4 hours later take the same dose of methylone and it was always a great time. They just kind of bled into each other and I never noticed a difference at the time... it just seemed like one long "roll' of the same substance. It was only when I dosed each by themselves at different times I thought I noticed the difference but again I may have only felt the difference because of what I heard and was making myself believe there was a difference. I'm pretty experienced in all the MDXX's and I really didn't see a HUGE difference between the two. Both a LOT of fun and both make me have shitty comedowns.

 

[The King of Beans]

Yeah 4-FA and methylone are very similiar. I think I enjoy 4-FA more because it lasts longer and doesn't make you as tired as Methylone does. I never found methylone to really be comparable to MDMA, but I do find 4-FA to be. But the one bad thing about 4-FA is that it is like a "Tease" if done alone. I always need to at least drink alcohol with it. But I do that with almost any drug so yeah for being somewhat "legal" 4-FA is probably the king of RC's right now. (In my eyes of course, not everyone will agree)

 

[simstimstar]

Yeah 4-FA and methylone are very similiar. I think I enjoy 4-FA more because it lasts longer and doesn't make you as tired as Methylone does. I never found methylone to really be comparable to MDMA, but I do find 4-FA to be. But the one bad thing about 4-FA is that it is like a "Tease" if done alone. I always need to at least drink alcohol with it. But I do that with almost any drug so yeah for being somewhat "legal" 4-FA is probably the king of RC's right now. (In my eyes of course, not everyone will agree)

For me it was the opposite. Methylone was much closer to the feel of MDMA, but less so than mephedrone, which for me felt very much like how it feels when you are eating mdma and smoking meth. Anyway, I found 4-fa to be more like amphetamine, only gentler and less pushy. 150mg of 4-fa might be comparable to 50-60mg of amphetamine.

I think it's one of those drugs that hits everyone differently, though. My friend (who is prescribed 90mg of adderall a day) had about 250mg and was awake enough to stay up all night but said he didn't feel high. I agree with king of beans here that is was kinda like a tease. You feel like you're about to get there, and then you take more and you still feel like you're almost there.

Cheers,
-SimStim

 

[BananasAndOranges]

You don't have to believe me if you don't want. I didn't say I started rolling from 4-FA or anything. But what I did experience was a much greater entactogenic effect than from something like Adderall. As for as how long this drug can keep me up - I cannot say for sure. I do know that me taking this drug and staying up much later have coincided, but maybe I assumed the fallacy of 'correlation implies causation' here. I probably shouldn't have done that. But I also didn't say it kept me up the whole night.

Plus, do consider that some people may have done several stims, but never in super high doses, nor on a regular basis, and, thus, their neurotransmitter receptors might not be as deregulated as yours. Sometimes less can go a long way.



I don't think it's hard to obtain 4-FA in U.S. at all. It doesn't have any notoriety and I don't see why any vendor would refuse to ship it to U.S. Maybe you should look for other vendors.

Um...I really Dont have much of a Tolerance. That little comment on the end is annoying. 4-FA isnt an all day thing. I never bagged on you, I just expressed how it seems most people who use research stims do it because they Cannot Get Ahold of other certain illegal stimulants. Thats a personal opinion though. Ah Im too lazy too add more but I never found it to last incredibly long time. I have read others claiming all nighters which yes on high doses and redoses later at night

 

[white_magic]

I just expressed how it seems most people who use research stims do it because they Cannot Get Ahold of other certain illegal stimulants. Thats a personal opinion though. Ah Im too lazy too add more but I never found it to last incredibly long time. I have read others claiming all nighters which yes on high doses and redoses later at night

Ehh.. I would say, for some, RC's appeal more than certain other illegal drugs. For example, I don't want to touch street meth, ever. Coke is too expensive, no matter the quality. What does that leave? Only molly. Or .. RC's. And trying out new RC's is quite enjoyable. I look forward to trying other amphetamine analogues.

 

[Aphex747]

Hi i just wanted to thank everyone for their shared experiences with this 4-FA. swim ordered some today and is really excited to try it. swim fed his plants 4MEC and they reacted quite positively without too many unwanted side effects. its a very reputable uk vendor so swim is REALLY excited to get this in a week or two!

 

[YaniCZka]

Hi i just wanted to thank everyone for their shared experiences with this 4-FA. swim ordered some today and is really excited to try it. swim fed his plants 4MEC and they reacted quite positively without too many unwanted side effects. its a very reputable uk vendor so swim is REALLY excited to get this in a week or two!

how can uk vendor openly sell 4-fa? 4-fa has been illegal in the uk for ages, be careful.

 

[Aphex747]

how can uk vendor openly sell 4-fa? 4-fa has been illegal in the uk for ages, be careful.

i appreciate the concern, this vendor is very reputable in the rc market and i have been getting their mxe and 4MEC and its very top notch. i will make sure to post the outcome for sure, ill make a trip report. i just plan on doing a very small bump and seeing what kind of effcts i get from it. i mainly plan on using it orally, but i figure a small bump would give me a better feel for it than bombing it. but substances vary. i tried 4MEC orally. a 250 mg capsule and it wasnt speedy or anything. i just laid on the couch not really wanting to move for a long time, plus i felt ALOT more of the undesirable effects. however, when snorting nice little lines of 4MEC i got exactly what i expected to from it. a nice "background" euphoria that wasnt in my face, but i could get into an in depth conversation without overtalking people. it was like a euphoria with patience, no overwhelm. but from what i understand 4FA is a little better, and lasts longer so im excited to try it.