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RCs Big n Dandy 4-FA (4-fluoroamphetamine) thread v.1.0

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^Yes I agree. I haven't tried 2-FA, but from what I know, it is more akin to classic speed just as 3-FA, but possibly smoother(?) than 3-FA.

Not sure if there is a thread comparing 2-FA to 3-FA. If there is not, any of you people with experience in these should make it and chime in.
Yeah but exploding into flames is a far worse death than if you were to die from 4-FA (Which I dont think there's ever been a death from the drug yet) As to psychosis from a single dose...well people should know if they are suceptible to that or not. I doubt 4-FA would be the first stimulant they have ever tried.

I'll take the exploding into flames in a car over speed psychosis and toxic death and seizures any day of the week. I'd take it over even a "simple" heart attack. ...but anyways.. how about that 4-FA?
 
Yeah but exploding into flames is a far worse death than if you were to die from 4-FA (Which I dont think there's ever been a death from the drug yet) As to psychosis from a single dose...well people should know if they are suceptible to that or not. I doubt 4-FA would be the first stimulant they have ever tried.

This is a ridiculous statement. When the psychosis comes it is without warning and can come from any stimulant. You can never be so cocky as to say "it will never happen to me." Just because it hasn't happened yet definitely doesn't mean it won't.

I did lots of stimulants for a lot of years before I ever had a problem with it. I always thought "oh not me, i'm careful." Then it did kick me in ass and I have been both hospitalized and in jail more than once because of it.

I'm lucky not to be dead or in prison and thank God for that everyday.

Keep playing around and it will get you, too. It probably won't even come the one time you shoot meth, it will come the 200th time you eat something you consider benign like 4-fa. Yes, one dose of 4-fa is unlikely to cause it, but long-term use of any stim is almost guaranteed to cause it.

I think MDPV is dirty mother and more likely than any to cause earlier onset, but I have seen people get it from mephedrone, amphetamine, methamphetamine, methylphenidate and cocaine for sure. Definitely if you have obsessive compulsive disorder, bipolar (esp with psychotic features), schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder, or anything like that, it would be best to stay away from stimulants and psychedelics.

Cheers,
-SimStim
 
I even have a friend that took a tiny dose of mephedrone, maybe 50mg and was her first time to eat it, and then couple hours later went home and tried to commit suicide by eating a whole bunch of pills.

Luckily she went to the hospital and had stomach pumped and such and is now fine.

Moral, always respect drugs. Especially if you've never had it before.
 
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Keep playing around and it will get you, too. It probably won't even come the one time you shoot meth, it will come the 200th time you eat something you consider benign like 4-fa. Yes, one dose of 4-fa is unlikely to cause it, but long-term use of any stim is almost guaranteed to cause it.

Well, the psychosis comes as a consequence of consuming way too much of a stimulant and not getting enough rest. So yea, it can probably happen from any 'real' stimulant, RC or not, but to say that it will happen to anyone who uses stims regularly is a bit of a stretch. Some people just have more self-restraint and won't let themselves do what their impulses tell them to.

Personally, I do 4-FA in small doses - so far the biggest dose I have done is 40mg. I love the drug and even at the lower doses I can feel the entactogenic and dopaminergic effects it produces. The effects do diminish a little with regular use, but not to the extent they would if I were the more common (80-100mg) or even higher doses.

I even have a friend that took a tiny dose of mephedrone, maybe 50mg and was her first time to eat it, and then couple hours later went home and tried to commit suicide by eating a whole bunch of pills.

Luckily she went to the hospital and had stomach pumped and such and is now fine.

Moral, always respect drugs. Especially if you've never had it before.

Can you provide a bit more context? This sounds highly irregular and it probably says more about your friend than any particular substance. I'm guessing she was a highly troubled individual when she took mephedrone and pretty much anything could have set her off.

Speaking from personal experience, after I overdosed on a certain substance, I had an acute response to almost any CNS agent, including alcohol. Even drinking too much alcohol could put me in a VERY bad mental place. Similarly, taking uppers, even as innocent as caffeine or ritalin would put me on the edge, especially during comedowns.
 
Can you provide a bit more context? This sounds highly irregular and it probably says more about your friend than any particular substance. I'm guessing she was a highly troubled individual when she took mephedrone and pretty much anything could have set her off.

Exactly my point. There is no way to tell if a person here on this board is having similar troubles so you can't tell them it's unlikely to cause a problem and they will be fine. Of course it's not likely that one dose of 4-fa is likely to cause psychosis, but there is always a potential for problems.

We thought sharing a tiny dose of meph with one of our closest friends would help her mood, not make her want to go home and eat a bottle of pills. It was her first time to try meph and 50mg is not much. My sweet spot on meph is about 450-600mg. After all, meph is an extremely powerful mood lifter we thought. How could you take that and be depressed? We didn't even have any idea that she was depressed.

On the flip-side I have seen that same chick do a pretty good amount of MDPV on several occasions after this and she was A-ok. MDPV has a much worse reputation for causing psychosis.

I am speaking from lots and lots of experience here when I say stims are unpredictable. Even worse they trick you into thinking you are fine, or SUPER-fine, when really you are hanging on by a thin thread. I'm just writing about caution. Take it from someone who started out cautious and ended up with a needle in his arm. You might start out a casual user, but I don't know any recreational stim users who end that way.

"Know Yourself, Know Your Source, and Know your Substance"

I'm not preaching drug abstinence, or even stimulant abstinence. I am just trying to help others avoid my mistakes.

Cheers,
SimStim
 
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Take it from someone who started out cautious and ended up with a needle in his arm. You might start out a casual user, but I don't know any recreational stim users who end that way.

What about cocaine and MDMA recreational users? I know a ton that sometimes do them occasionally and never end up with a needle in their arm. I think you are generalizing recreational stimulant use from your own viewpoint.

Personally, I do lower amounts of 4-FA - never done more than 40mg. At this low dose, I experience a nice elevation in mood and productivity. I would say it provides me both recreational and functional benefits. I've been using a similar dose for 6 days straight now. And I haven't felt the need to increase the dosage yet (though I would like to.. but I don't plan to).
 
What about cocaine and MDMA recreational users? I know a ton that sometimes do them occasionally and never end up with a needle in their arm. I think you are generalizing recreational stimulant use from your own viewpoint.

Personally, I do lower amounts of 4-FA - never done more than 40mg. At this low dose, I experience a nice elevation in mood and productivity. I would say it provides me both recreational and functional benefits. I've been using a similar dose for 6 days straight now. And I haven't felt the need to increase the dosage yet (though I would like to.. but I don't plan to).

I never said all will end up with a needle in their arm, although plenty of cocaine users do. I don't know anyone who started out young using stims who by the time they are in their 30's haven't had some serious repercussions due to stimulant use. Be it job loss, trouble with wife/girlfriend, criminal record, etc.

Most of the kids I knew who were out using mdma regularly in their late teens ended up going down the path of MDMA > methamphetamine/cocaine/crack > jail and/or mental breakdown > rehab > SSRI's. Give or a take a few steps.

I am confident that if you take a look at long term stimulant users over a 10 year period, then you will find the ones who are able to continue to only be occasional, moderate users are the exception and not the norm. I am basing this not only on my own experience, but on the fact that I have seen it repeated over, and over, and over again with many different stimulants.

I'll never forget the first time I saw someone with bad amphetamine psychosis. I was 21 and was at a buddy's house with him and his 19 yr old girlfriend. This chick was hanging blankets over the windows and freaking out bc the "cops are in the parking lot". She started breaking all the pipes we were smoking out of and saying she'd never do that shit again (meth).

I said, "that'll never happen to me" and all kinds of excuses about how that kind of thing only happens to people who are careless. I can tell you though that, that sort of thing creeps up on you slowly and happens before you know it. Six years after I said that would never happen to me, sure enough, some worse shit happened to me.

I hope you're not the same as me, and I am not telling you what to take or not take. I very strongly believe that you are in charge of your own body and can do whatever you want to with it. Hell, I even still occasionally use stimulants, but FAR more cautiously than I have in the past.

At the same time, I am also trying to point out that stimulant use can be very dangerous and not to be dabbled in lightly. If I can help prevent even one person from going through the hell I have been through then it will have been worth all this ranting.

Cheers again,
SimStim
 
I never said all will end up with a needle in their arm, although plenty of cocaine users do. I don't know anyone who started out young using stims who by the time they are in their 30's haven't had some serious repercussions due to stimulant use. Be it job loss, trouble with wife/girlfriend, criminal record, etc.

Most of the kids I knew who were out using mdma regularly in their late teens ended up going down the path of MDMA > methamphetamine/cocaine/crack > jail and/or mental breakdown > rehab > SSRI's. Give or a take a few steps.

I am confident that if you take a look at long term stimulant users over a 10 year period, then you will find the ones who are able to continue to only be occasional, moderate users are the exception and not the norm. I am basing this not only on my own experience, but on the fact that I have seen it repeated over, and over, and over again with many different stimulants.

I'll never forget the first time I saw someone with bad amphetamine psychosis. I was 21 and was at a buddy's house with him and his 19 yr old girlfriend. This chick was hanging blankets over the windows and freaking out bc the "cops are in the parking lot". She started breaking all the pipes we were smoking out of and saying she'd never do that shit again (meth).

I said, "that'll never happen to me" and all kinds of excuses about how that kind of thing only happens to people who are careless. I can tell you though that, that sort of thing creeps up on you slowly and happens before you know it. Six years after I said that would never happen to me, sure enough, some worse shit happened to me.

I hope you're not the same as me, and I am not telling you what to take or not take. I very strongly believe that you are in charge of your own body and can do whatever you want to with it. Hell, I even still occasionally use stimulants, but FAR more cautiously than I have in the past.

At the same time, I am also trying to point out that stimulant use can be very dangerous and not to be dabbled in lightly. If I can help prevent even one person from going through the hell I have been through then it will have been worth all this ranting.

Cheers again,
SimStim

I think the younger you are when you start using harder drugs, the greater the potential that you will become an addict. In a rapidly developing brain, powerful stimulants can really re-wire your pleasure-seeking ways. I know there is a lot of scientific reasoning to support this.

Anyway, I still think a lot depends on each individual and their surroundings (friends and availability of drugs). I know a ton of people who have done e and coke recreationally, numerous times, and never became full-blown addicts, nor even did meth. There is such a thing as recreational/social use. For example, for a number of people, doing harder drugs (like e or coke) in solitude is kind of frowned up from a social standpoint, especially in college. Therefore, their use is not that likely to spiral down into full-blown addiction.

Anyway, this has been only my personal experience. It's apparent that you have seen very different things.
 
I just did about 80 mgs up the nose was planning on another 40. How harmful is drinking liquor with 4fa if you keep hydrated?
 
I just did about 80 mgs up the nose was planning on another 40. How harmful is drinking liquor with 4fa if you keep hydrated?

Provided you stay hydrated, I would venture to say that taking 4-FA and drinking alcohol is no more harmful than drinking caffeinated drinks with alcohol. At the end of the day, taking an upper will allow you to drink more, way more than you maybe should. That's what you have to watch out for.
 
I think the same, I tend to drink alcohol when pretty much on any stim, well at least when I start coming down, and with 4-FA it mixes really well.
 
Love 4-FA, gives me the energy I need and also provides a strong roll type feeling and helps out alot socially. I've started with dosing it at around 120 mg, but plan to go as high as 200mg (maybe 100 + a 100 booster 4 or 5 hours in) Since the duration is pleasantly long. Where are your guys sweet spots when dosing this alone? I also think a methylone combo with this would be heaven!
 
The duration is NOT long....are some of you seriously sensitive to Stimulants or have you Not had any Amphetamines in your LIFE besides Ecstacy? Some of you I dunno What your getting but never has it lasted longer than 3 hours Noticeably Without redose. So do a lot of you take this because you cant get other substances for focus/socializing. I honestly think of it as reallly nice but its not like FUCKING TIIITTSSS MAN you know? IDK
 
This is a ridiculous statement. When the psychosis comes it is without warning and can come from any stimulant. You can never be so cocky as to say "it will never happen to me." Just because it hasn't happened yet definitely doesn't mean it won't.

I did lots of stimulants for a lot of years before I ever had a problem with it. I always thought "oh not me, i'm careful." Then it did kick me in ass and I have been both hospitalized and in jail more than once because of it.

I'm lucky not to be dead or in prison and thank God for that everyday.

Keep playing around and it will get you, too. It probably won't even come the one time you shoot meth, it will come the 200th time you eat something you consider benign like 4-fa. Yes, one dose of 4-fa is unlikely to cause it, but long-term use of any stim is almost guaranteed to cause it.

I think MDPV is dirty mother and more likely than any to cause earlier onset, but I have seen people get it from mephedrone, amphetamine, methamphetamine, methylphenidate and cocaine for sure. Definitely if you have obsessive compulsive disorder, bipolar (esp with psychotic features), schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder, or anything like that, it would be best to stay away from stimulants and psychedelics.

Cheers,
-SimStim


I disagree.
I've done MDPV, Meth, Coke, MDMA, pretty much all the mainstream drugs...except for crack. I'm going on 40 years old now and I have never had any problem with psychosis, except the "Fun" psychosis which you pretty much just act like a psycho on purpose when you're all fucked up...cuz it's fun. I've done that taking Pipes and MDMA together before (Which by the way I DONT recommend anyone do that because the combo can kill you. I've done it several times because I find that it increases my roll to an insane level...but I've heard it can be deadly) The point is, you all take this shit way too seriously. It's just a drug. If someone becomes psycho on it, it's only going to be the people who abuse it like idiots. Shooting stuff up? Never in a million years. I would never touch a needle. I hate them and people who use them are disgusting. Ok I'm gonna be hated for saying that here...LOL don't take offense, I actually dated a whore who used to shoot everything she could find. I never once would even think about doing that.

If one uses stims in a responsible manner, and they aren't psycho already, then I think they will be fine. Maybe it's true that just "One" use can cause psychosis, but I think if that is true, that those people already have some kind of underlying problem or they are doing other drugs too often. There are many different factors involved with causing psychosis...and it's hard to put the blame on a single drug.

Yeah I've heard all the stories about people going psycho on MDPV. Well for me personally, it never happened. I loved MDPV...I would do it several times per week (But NO more than that...rarely did I do it 2 days in a row...bcuz the stuff kept me up for 2 days straight) Now the drug is banned, so I have virtually no chance of going psycho from MDPV. I can control myself very well. I just think some people are already out of whack if they let stims control them to the point of psychosis. That's my opinion, I'll be hated for saying it...but I really believe this for experience. If you're not mentally sound you should not be using stims, unless its worth the risk of psychosis to you.

But saying all this, I am not perfect. I do have OCD and other minor mental problems. But still, if you use the way I do (Drink a lot of water, try to eat healthy sometimes...and be strong mentally before you even think of using them) then I think the risk of psychosis is virtually zero from a single dose. This is considering of course that you only EAT the stim, No snorting, shooting or other ridiculous ways like smoking or sticking up your ass) Eating dope is the best way to do it. I knew so many people who got hopelessly addicted to oxycodone all because they were dumb enough to snort or smoke it. I always ate my pills, and I did them for an entire year straight, I quit and had very minimal withdrawls which lasted only 1 day. Far easier to quit than pot. Everyone else had to go to rehab because they would get sick as hell if they didnt have the drug. The difference between them and me, was that they took the wrong route when administering the drug. They snort the drug, which causes the effects to wear off much faster, and then they need to take more. Some were taking 15 pills a day, where I never needed more than 1. So this is a big difference. Eating the drug (For me) actually make the effects much stronger, last longer and have less an urge to redose. I've never tried smoking anything but weed and shrooms (and never will)....except for the time when I was a stupid teenager and smoked a ritalin. lol I vaguely remember doing that, but it didnt even give me a buzz.

Well saying all that, I'm glad you're ok and not in prison or anything. Sounds like you had quite a trip. I just disagree with you that anyone can get psychosis. I think it's only certain people. I dont think Im one of those people, but hey you never know. You could be right. I may go into uncontrollable psychosis one day. But I seriously doubt it. It hasnt happened yet and I abused drugs far more in the past. I've just always been smart about the way I do it. As I explained above, eating healthy, drinking water, and only EATING the drugs (No snorting, shooting, etc) is the most important factors I think to keep anyone who is using these drugs, to be healthy and not dependent on the drug.

PS- and exploding in a car wouldn't always be a painless death. I've seen people catch on fire before...and it HURTS like a bitch. I've set my hand on fire before (sprayed hair spray on my hand then lit it) and just that Hurt and it was just the hairspray burning on top of my hand.
 
I disagree.
I've done MDPV, Meth, Coke, MDMA, pretty much all the mainstream drugs...except for crack. I'm going on 40 years old now and I have never had any problem with psychosis, except the "Fun" psychosis which you pretty much just act like a psycho on purpose when you're all fucked up...cuz it's fun. I've done that taking Pipes and MDMA together before (Which by the way I DONT recommend anyone do that because the combo can kill you. I've done it several times because I find that it increases my roll to an insane level...but I've heard it can be deadly) The point is, you all take this shit way too seriously. It's just a drug. If someone becomes psycho on it, it's only going to be the people who abuse it like idiots. Shooting stuff up? Never in a million years. I would never touch a needle. I hate them and people who use them are disgusting. Ok I'm gonna be hated for saying that here...LOL don't take offense, I actually dated a whore who used to shoot everything she could find. I never once would even think about doing that.

If one uses stims in a responsible manner, and they aren't psycho already, then I think they will be fine. Maybe it's true that just "One" use can cause psychosis, but I think if that is true, that those people already have some kind of underlying problem or they are doing other drugs too often. There are many different factors involved with causing psychosis...and it's hard to put the blame on a single drug.

Yeah I've heard all the stories about people going psycho on MDPV. Well for me personally, it never happened. I loved MDPV...I would do it several times per week (But NO more than that...rarely did I do it 2 days in a row...bcuz the stuff kept me up for 2 days straight) Now the drug is banned, so I have virtually no chance of going psycho from MDPV. I can control myself very well. I just think some people are already out of whack if they let stims control them to the point of psychosis. That's my opinion, I'll be hated for saying it...but I really believe this for experience. If you're not mentally sound you should not be using stims, unless its worth the risk of psychosis to you.

But saying all this, I am not perfect. I do have OCD and other minor mental problems. But still, if you use the way I do (Drink a lot of water, try to eat healthy sometimes...and be strong mentally before you even think of using them) then I think the risk of psychosis is virtually zero from a single dose. This is considering of course that you only EAT the stim, No snorting, shooting or other ridiculous ways like smoking or sticking up your ass) Eating dope is the best way to do it. I knew so many people who got hopelessly addicted to oxycodone all because they were dumb enough to snort or smoke it. I always ate my pills, and I did them for an entire year straight, I quit and had very minimal withdrawls which lasted only 1 day. Far easier to quit than pot. Everyone else had to go to rehab because they would get sick as hell if they didnt have the drug. The difference between them and me, was that they took the wrong route when administering the drug. They snort the drug, which causes the effects to wear off much faster, and then they need to take more. Some were taking 15 pills a day, where I never needed more than 1. So this is a big difference. Eating the drug (For me) actually make the effects much stronger, last longer and have less an urge to redose. I've never tried smoking anything but weed and shrooms (and never will)....except for the time when I was a stupid teenager and smoked a ritalin. lol I vaguely remember doing that, but it didnt even give me a buzz.

Well saying all that, I'm glad you're ok and not in prison or anything. Sounds like you had quite a trip. I just disagree with you that anyone can get psychosis. I think it's only certain people. I dont think Im one of those people, but hey you never know. You could be right. I may go into uncontrollable psychosis one day. But I seriously doubt it. It hasnt happened yet and I abused drugs far more in the past. I've just always been smart about the way I do it. As I explained above, eating healthy, drinking water, and only EATING the drugs (No snorting, shooting, etc) is the most important factors I think to keep anyone who is using these drugs, to be healthy and not dependent on the drug.

PS- and exploding in a car wouldn't always be a painless death. I've seen people catch on fire before...and it HURTS like a bitch. I've set my hand on fire before (sprayed hair spray on my hand then lit it) and just that Hurt and it was just the hairspray burning on top of my hand.
thanks well put again.
 
I am planning on taking some 3FA tonight, followed by a 150mg 4FA. I intend to let the 3FA subside before taking the 4FA. Would this cause unwanted effects?

In the past I've done mdma with speed still being quite active in my system and I didn't felt any real discomform, and the effects were pleasant. Does anyone have experiences with this?
 
I would personally take 4- first because its more euphoric, if you take 3- first it is possible you wont have the full euphoria since 3 will be blocking it. Havent tried the combo personally, but did some other similiar combos of stims and found its best to enjoy the more euphoric compound first and follow it with more pure speed.
 
Just take ONE OR THE OTHER! What kind of extra benefits are you looking for by adding 4fa with 3fa or vice versa? Thats a waste and yea your ptobably asking for lame side effects from both comedowns making one worthless combo....
 
Didn't bother with it after all. I don't see where you got the idea about me worrying about eventual increased somedowns from though. I'm well aware there is a a price to pay when using stimulant drugs.
I did say I wasn´t intending to combine them, I was wondering whether letting the 3FA run it´s course before injesting the 4FA would make the 4FA still worthwhile to take afterwards. We´re talking about a 12h timespan, with alteast 3hours after the last 3FA dose. Should have been more clear on that.
 
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