RCs Big n Dandy 4-FA (4-fluoroamphetamine) thread v.1.0

[B.mans]

I wonder since 4-fa is painful to the nose, if this is due to fluorine's electronegativity (despite it being so strongly bonded to the rest of the molecule) and if it could indicate increased neurotoxicity or toxicity to other tissues (despite IIRC 4-FA being smaller than d-amp, indicating lesser neurotoxicity).
What im saying is if it's obviously so reactive externally, why wouldn't that property have an effect internally? I'm aware that it's at very low concentrations, but still.
The compound has been around for about as long as regular amphetamine and there are a few rat studies at least, so i'd think (hope) that if it's carcinogenic we would know that by now.

EDIT: i was just reading about street amphetamine, and apparently 'conventional' amphetamine can be or is caustic as well. i consider this very good news.... :D does anyone know if this is true?

Haha yeah, I can confirm this. I differs a lot between batches but it can be very painful.

 

[shLong420]

That`s one thing that sucks about the grey market. No regulation. Sometimes my 4-fa looks one way,other times, another way. The last time I had 4-fa it gave me a 2 day headache after each session. Less than cool.

Yeah, I got 5gs from a trusted vendor on a popular vending site. All reviews were flame...

Is 4fa serontogenic (sp?)
I noticed some possible lingering blues and had thought it was just a middle of the road amp.

 

[InhaleDeep]

Anyone know how long 4-fa can be kept without going bad in one way or another? I have found some older stuff and I'm reluctant to try it. I'm thinking though, the effect of it might've lessen, but it can't possibly become highly toxic or something, right?

 

[shLong420]

When truly in doubt, you should probably toss it.

Next time store it double bagged and in a jar or something in the freezer to be sure.

Id say itd probably be safe if its under a year old...but keep in mind you have no idea how long the chemists/vendor had it before they shipped

 

[InhaleDeep]

It's around half a year old an has been stored double bagged and well laying around, in a purse, drawer etc... It's never been exposed to heat or sunlight. Meh I don't know, it feels weird.

 

[Madrus]

I would say that 4-FA is relatively stable, however it depends on just how old yours is and how well you had it packaged.

 

[6apbhmm]

Doh! Just realised I have a very good vaporizer. I never tried vaporising anything else than weed though. Obviously theres one problem, we don't know melting point of this, do we.

Has anyone succesfully vaporized this?

Oral works well good for me but I'd like to experience faster onset for once (yeaaaah, once...) so this would be the only option. I don't want to ruin and melt it.

 

[BananasAndOranges]

Oral...and pretty much like sugar.

if it was grainy you got bad shit.

 

[shLong420]

Feelsbadman.....it was smaller material, but yeah, I don't think it was good shit. Messed two different people up. No bueno.

We now dose a ethylone/butylone mix angd enjoy that pretty well.

 

[simstimstar]

Doh! Just realised I have a very good vaporizer. I never tried vaporising anything else than weed though. Obviously theres one problem, we don't know melting point of this, do we.

Has anyone succesfully vaporized this?

Oral works well good for me but I'd like to experience faster onset for once (yeaaaah, once...) so this would be the only option. I don't want to ruin and melt it.

Best way would be like anything else, get a vape pipe, like the kind used for smoking meth (call it a chicken bone, glass dick, whatever). Next best would be light bulb, then foil. Real meth freaks can blow these pipes with blow torch and glass tubing, otherwise check local headshops, you can easily tell the difference between a regular bowl and one meant for vape (google it if u must).

It's easy, you just add the chem on top for foil, or inside for vape pipe or light bulb, then apply heat from the bottom via lighter, alcohol burner, or when desperate candle/oil lamp. When it starts to smoke suck it with a straw (or if using vape pipe from stem). I'm not gonna tell you how to prepare a light bulb, but you should be able to figure it out. There is a WHOLE technique to each method and there is some practice involved before you get good at it. If you know any former meth heads ask them and they can teach you a lot.

FYI smoking amphetamines quickly leads down a bad path toward addiction. Believe me, I know. Everyone says oh not me, but eventually everyone gets bitten in the ass by it.

Also, you said you don't want to melt it. It will necessarily melt before it begins to smoke. This is known as sublimation (or phase transition). It goes solid>liquid>gas according to the temp and atmospheric pressure.

Cheers,
-SimStim

 

[BlindGenius]

I would like to share my 4 fa experience.
Info about me:
19 year old male. 165 lbs. Physically fit. I work out almost everyday and consider myself to be in relatively good shape.
Setting:
At a house party, then to a dance event the first night. The following morning's experience took place in my room on campus and the surrounding area. Nice spring day.
Last night around 8:30pm i took 160mg of 4 fa orally on an empty stomach and it surprisingly kicked in 30 minutes later. I have done this RC probably about 10 times at varying doses from 50-200mg and this was the fastest it has kicked in. I contribute its speedy uprising to the 2 tsp of baking soda dissolved in water i had consumed 45 minutes prior. I had done some research on a baking soda solution and its effects on making the stomach more basic so as to absorb more of an amphetamine. Anyways, this was one of my better experiences on 4-fa and had intense rushes to my head and tingling throughout my body. I was able to talk to anyone with the upmost ease, savoring the articulation benefits from 4 fa. I had 2 shots and 2 beers over the next hour and i was completely enveloped in a euphoric haze that lasted more than enough time. I spent my night dancing which proved to be an incredibly enjoyable experience. I felt the music flowing through me and had intense empathy for all people. This was just as i remembered it, except for much much better. I was not keeping track of time, but as the euphoria declined i proceeded to rail about 100 mg of DMAA mixed with another 50mg of 4 fa over the next hour. I was optimally stimulated for the rest of the night and believe i had taken the perfect combination. I smoked 3 ciggarettes which i crave especially bad while on 4-fa. There was no chance of sleeping tonight. Atleast at a reasonable hour. I eventually drifted off at 6:30am, slept for 3 hours and rose wide awake at 9:30. I was fine at first but the exhaustion was catching up to me so i proceeded to take a small dose of 4 fa. This binging on 4 fa has led to stellar results in the past but this time i miscalculated my dosage and in my weakened state took way more than what i wanted. I could not say exactly how much i took and why i had such a strong reaction, but 45 minutes later i felt as up as ever, but as i ate my breakfast i descended into a blurred reality and grew incredibly paranoid about everything. I was eating with some friends who were unaware of my state of mind. I struggled to look straight ahead but things began to spin, like it does when i am really drunk. This extreme dizziness scared me and was incredibly distracting from the conversation and found myself completely withdrawn from the situation. I frantically hurried back to my room and sat down on my bed with the lights off and tried to take deep breaths in hopes of returning to reality. I researched the symptoms of an Overdose and i partially fit the description. At this point i was at the peak of my "ride". I continued to take deep breaths and tried to calm down my racing heart which was pounding throughout my head at an extraordinary rate.
No luck. It was only getting worse and my blurred vision turned to visual distortions. Suggestions said to go outside for a walk in the cold to lower your heart rate and relax you, which i did. This helped a little and although i was still extremely scared, once in the daylight my visuals declined and over the course of my 15 minute walk i somehow was able to turn my anxiety into euphoria. I suppose i would know if i had experienced an overdose, but i only know what they show on tv. I did not have seizures and although i was in a psychosis, i figured if i was truly OD'ing i would not as well as i am currently.
I am writing this in the late afternoon for the most part down off my trip, but still mildly stimulated. I also had a cup of coffee an hour ago which seemed to bring back some of the effects in a beneficial way. (p.s. As i sat on my bed during the peak of my trip i took my resting heart rate and was astonished to observe it at 125 BPM!!!) I will continue to rest for the remainder of the day and will think twice about taking such high doses so close to one another. I went back and weighed what i have left of 4 fa, and estimate my dose must have been well above 200 mg. on an empty stomach and lack of sleep. Please use caution with this chemical. I assume that i did some damage to my brain and wish i could take this back. This drug is truly unique with tremendous capabilities, but know your limits. I consider myself lucky to have come out of this relatively unharmed.
I would like to say this will be my last time i will ever do 4-fa, but i enjoy it far too much. Maybe after i finish off my stash i will give my brain and body a long awaited rest.

 

[6apbhmm]

Best way would be like anything else, get a vape pipe, like the kind used for smoking meth (call it a chicken bone, glass dick, whatever). Next best would be light bulb, then foil. Real meth freaks can blow these pipes with blow torch and glass tubing, otherwise check local headshops, you can easily tell the difference between a regular bowl and one meant for vape (google it if u must).

It's easy, you just add the chem on top for foil, or inside for vape pipe or light bulb, then apply heat from the bottom via lighter, alcohol burner, or when desperate candle/oil lamp. When it starts to smoke suck it with a straw (or if using vape pipe from stem). I'm not gonna tell you how to prepare a light bulb, but you should be able to figure it out. There is a WHOLE technique to each method and there is some practice involved before you get good at it. If you know any former meth heads ask them and they can teach you a lot.

FYI smoking amphetamines quickly leads down a bad path toward addiction. Believe me, I know. Everyone says oh not me, but eventually everyone gets bitten in the ass by it.

Also, you said you don't want to melt it. It will necessarily melt before it begins to smoke. This is known as sublimation (or phase transition). It goes solid>liquid>gas according to the temp and atmospheric pressure.

Cheers,
-SimStim

Thanks for the info,

however after discussion in different thread I have decided not to vape it. Not only it will destroy some of the material, the potential for addiction is too high. I already had my problems with snorting amphetamines and smoking/vaping is apparently that worse even. Also lately I tend to have problems with vasoconstriction from relatively small doses, and this would make heart work harder than oral.


BlindGenius - thanks for the report. To me it seems you're quite new to stims/amphetamines in general. You just experienced one of the more-than-you-should doses but I assure you were nowhere near true overdose. I don't think you did permanent brain damage to yourself either. The most important thing it to calm down, I know how hard it can be but you must, you will feel completely normal very soon. 125 resting bpm is high though. I start to feel uncomfortably when my resting goes over 100 (however one time on meph I reached 150, seriously thought was dying).
At least you know that taking unknown amounts of drug is dangerous. Always weigh everything and make sure you don't feel too bad when redosing. Sleeping just for 3 hours and feeling wasted is obviously not a great time for taking more.
But it could be much, much worse. Theres so many bluelighters here who could tell you whats real paranoia and psychosis caused by too much amphetamines...

 

[simstimstar]

But it could be much, much worse. Theres so many bluelighters here who could tell you whats real paranoia and psychosis caused by too much amphetamines...

Amen to that. Come see me once you start hiding on the floor next to your window with a shotgun bc you think people are breaking into the house....believe it or not it CAN even be worse than that. I have, first hand, seen people do some terrible, violent things who were up too long on MDPV....

I tend to trend more that direction now, myself. Which is why I rarely ever do stims anymore. Especially cathinones. Never felt that from 4fa, but i've never been on a 4fa binge that lasted for weeks and weeks and weeks either. I wouldn't discount the possibility.

Cheers,
-SimStim

 

[homeydontplaythat]

this shit is more dangerous than most seem to take it for.

 

[BlindGenius]

Thanks for the reassurance. Id imagine i did some type of damage to my brain atleast to a certain extent. Maybe not at the same levels of other more powerful stims. However, for the first time i actually experienced a "hangover" from it due to my incredibly high dosage. I went back and figured my dosage was probably around 350mg on a completely empty stomach. This is now the day after and i have felt so unmotivated to do anything, even talk to people. Even swimming, an activity that usually leaves me with energy and happiness, has done nothing for me. I will give it a few days and hope to see myself return to baseline. Would it be worth it to take a supplement to work towards my recovery? Ive been looking up PQQ and acetyl-L Carnitine and those seem to be effective at restoring mitochondrial function.

 

[DroneLore]

What's a good smoked dose of 4-FA HCl salt? I just hit 3 key bumps off foil, but don't want to smoke more for fear of OD. I am also on a decent amount of suboxone.

Friendly hint for those who want to try smoking it: Inhale slowly. The first time I tried smoking it I took a big hit, coughed and it hurt my throat A LOT. I almost decided never to smoke it again, and only did so tonight because I wanted a little something to keep me from nodding so hard form the bupe.

Also, you said you don't want to melt it. It will necessarily melt before it begins to smoke. This is known as sublimation (or phase transition). It goes solid>liquid>gas according to the temp and atmospheric pressure.

Cheers,
-SimStim

Sorry for nitpicking but sublimation is actually a specific process where a substance transitions directly from the solid phase to the gas phase, skipping the liquid.

 

[NJ5227]

I gave this chem a try yesterday. I actually wanted to just tip toe in to see how it would go, so I capped and plugged 35mgs. The initial rush was smooth and really nice, and the ways of euphoria were pretty nice, but the nervous energy was more than I was expecting at such a low dose. After 3 hours I started to not feel right, and I was sweating pretty bad. My buddy suggested a drink, so I drank 1.5 shots of vodka, which took the edge off and allowed me to concentrate again. Restlessness lingered into the evening, but my mood stayed consistent. There appears to have been no hangover at this level.

I didn't really know what to expect in this experience, and while I liked the first few hours, the tweaky hours that followed I did not like. I have never really liked speed, but those who do really like this one.

 

[DroneLore]

Is plugging unpleasant? This shirt hurts like fuck when snorted, which has be nervous about putting it into direct contact with any part of my body other than the stomach.

 

[NJ5227]

Is plugging unpleasant? This shirt hurts like fuck when snorted, which has be nervous about putting it into direct contact with any part of my body other than the stomach.

I didn't notice anything negative from plugging, there was no burning sensation or anything of the sort, but it did onset very fast. I did this without much reservation, as I've plugged other amps, molly, and beans with zero side effects. While some recommend dissolving, I simply capped mine in an emptied vitamin cap.

Ive found plugging to be the best form of admin on most things. Its easier on my stomach, is more direct to the blood stream (often requiring less for the same effect as oral/insuffilating). A sandwich bag covering your finger keeps things a lot cleaner. For you homo ninnies, stfu, we're doing drugs here.

 

[homeydontplaythat]

i do think that now m1 is illegal this is the closest thing to E. too bad it makes some people paranoid to the point of suicidal ideation.