The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 4th Rush

[donvliet]

After reading through all the posts I decided that 40mg would be a sensible starting dose

First of all, always start very low with unknown powders. What if your source mixed up two substances! In this case I would take maybe 2 mg as a test.

Second, the freebase variety of any substance will always be a lighter molecule than any of the salts, so it will be the most potent by weight. Some salts are heavier molecules than others, lowering their potency by weight.

 

[Intergalactic]

I did try an allergy test at 3mg the day before, but maybe your right, 40mg could have been too high for a first dose. Have read that some people jumped straight in at 100mg - can't imagine how insane that must have been!

 

[donvliet]

Have read that some people jumped straight in at 100mg - can't imagine how insane that must have been!

The difference in potency between a heavy salt and freebase can be significant, add to that any differences in purity between different batches and you can end up with a significant difference in reported strength.

 

[Vinz]

I find dosage from 20 to 30 mgs to be just right to get a good taste of both aspects of the substance. More than this can become anoying past the 8th hour. For someone who try it for the first time, doesn't really know what he's diving in and is more appealed by the alpha methylated aspect of it, it can be frustrating when after the 4th or 5th hour leaving you thinking it's almost wearing off and BAM! It's morphing into a full blown typical triptamine experience that's subtily creeping up on you and last for another 8 hour. Once you've tasted it at low dosage a couple time it's ok to go up to what you think are your limits but at least you are doing it knowing what amt is all about.

 

[Survived Abortion]

Hi, been reading all your posts for a while now, have learnt a lot from you guys so just wanted to say thanks. Decided it was time to start posting myself...
Have been experimenting with RC's for a few months now. Have tried 6-APB a few times and absolutely adored it Last week I decided to try AMT and got some of the new freebase batch just arrived from a trusted vendor. After reading through all the posts I decided that 40mg would be a sensible starting dose, and took orally, diluted with vinegar and water. Dont know whether this new batch is different, but it was unlike a lot of the trip experiences on amt i had read about. Firstly, it was a lot more trippy and visual than I had expected, some had said they hardly had any visuals at all. Didn't feel much in the way of stimulation or empathy though, which was a shame. And although overall I enjoyed the experience, I think the lows outweighed any of the highs. These were - constant nausea for the first two hours of come up, with physical sickness at least 5-6 times also felt very 'mongy' throughout, not being able to focus or have the kind of clarity of mind that I had read about from other users. Have also found that even two days after the experience, I still feel tired and lethargic - none of the lovely afterglow that some have experienced. Felt like my kidneys were still aching for up to 24 hours afterwards as well. Although it was fun, and hey, you never know until you try, I don't think I will be doing amt again, which is a shame as I had so many high hopes for it. Maybe it just didn't like me, I dont know. Maybe it was this new batch? Has anyone else tried it yet?

I found 46mg to be profoundly visual, but I like visuals so that was a good thing. If you want less visuals, you could try a lower dose, since I've heard that it's more of an empathic stim at lower doses and less of a visual psychedelic.

Some people do get sick with aMT. Did you eat anything before hand? Maybe try it on a empty stomach (not necessarily hungry, that may make you feel worse), but just have something light a few hours before hand, and if you need some energy before the experience drink some fruit juice. Stick to water during the experience. Maybe you are one of the more sensitive types, in which case you could try predosing lemon oil or ginger.

I know what you mean about feeling mongy, however this seems to happen when your brain is tired, and running out of energy. You should keep yourself hydrated, especially if you are feeling it in your kidneys, but also supply your brain with enough glucose for stamina. It is a pretty heavy experience in terms of constant intensity, and no doubt uses a lot of brain energy.

 

[sean84]

Have only had aMT 3 times, 50mg each time. Each time all I wanted to do after the come up was have a bath and go to bed! Was to overwelming so just listened to tunes through the headphones and couldn't move for hours and couldn't even open my eyes! Is an amazing feeling though. What I want to know is if I lower the dose slightly will I be more functional and want to dance etc?!

 

[Survived Abortion]

Some people tend to find aMT more sedating or 'mongy' than stimulating in an amphetamine sense. I found it to be a happy balance between the two. You could try lowering the dose; the overwhelming sensation is probably due to massive serotonin release, which could be reduced if you lowered the dose.

 

[XTC4Life]

Headphones on, in a bath, not moving for 12 hours, with your eyes closed. Now that sounds like a wallop of a time!
When I get around to it, 25 - 30 mg first time, at home playing an online video game with chat sounds good. Normally a club would be idea, but thinking about sweating buckets and feeling non-human doesn't sound too appealing . The 4-FA combo sounds promising probably fit for a club setting .

 

[sean84]

Headphones on, in a bath, not moving for 12 hours, with your eyes closed. Now that sounds like a wallop of a time!
When I get around to it, 25 - 30 mg first time, at home playing an online video game with chat sounds good. Normally a club would be idea, but thinking about sweating buckets and feeling non-human doesn't sound too appealing . The 4-FA combo sounds promising probably fit for a club setting .

Bath first then headphones on in bed I meant! And yeah it may not sound fun to you but it feels amazing, like a 12 hour orgasm- best chem I has tried, music sounds better than when on MDMA.

 

[redredred]

Some people tend to find aMT more sedating or 'mongy' than stimulating in an amphetamine sense. I found it to be a happy balance between the two. You could try lowering the dose; the overwhelming sensation is probably due to massive serotonin release, which could be reduced if you lowered the dose.

I'm not too sure but I think the amount of stimulation may depend on the batch of aMT, the first couple of times I tried it I had some really stimulating stuff, then the last few times (the majority) had been quite sedating, I'd just sit around being lazy and not move unless I really had to, haha. Last time I did it though I tried from a new source, seemed a lot trippier and a lot more stimulating, was so restless, much preferred it.

 

[Jesusgreen]

I found aMT to be somewhat of a blend between stimulating and sedating too. It was stimulating, but mentally so - physically I wanted to sit still and relax, or walk maybe - but I never felt the urge to dance, never had any jaw clenching, fidgeting etc. It just felt calm and relaxing for the most part

 

[Intergalactic]

I found 46mg to be profoundly visual, but I like visuals so that was a good thing. If you want less visuals, you could try a lower dose, since I've heard that it's more of an empathic stim at lower doses and less of a visual psychedelic.

Some people do get sick with aMT. Did you eat anything before hand? Maybe try it on a empty stomach (not necessarily hungry, that may make you feel worse), but just have something light a few hours before hand, and if you need some energy before the experience drink some fruit juice. Stick to water during the experience. Maybe you are one of the more sensitive types, in which case you could try predosing lemon oil or ginger.

I know what you mean about feeling mongy, however this seems to happen when your brain is tired, and running out of energy. You should keep yourself hydrated, especially if you are feeling it in your kidneys, but also supply your brain with enough glucose for stamina. It is a pretty heavy experience in terms of constant intensity, and no doubt uses a lot of brain energy.

Thanks survived abortion, some good advice there. Didn't eat much beforehand but then I usually do get sickness off most RC's, just seemed worse with this one
I also think, one of the big things with AMT and other RC's is that a lot of us are getting different batches and therefore experiencing different reactions/interactions.

 

[Shifty38]

I've found that travel sickness pills, two hours before dropping, can be really helpful if you experience sickness. I've had aMT a good few times now. 60mg was enough for a high-level 3, including profound visuals.

 

[Vinz]

Hi! I have a question regarding amt. I have no chemistry background and it is just a tought, but would a methylenedioxy version of amt be possible?

 

[Transform]

Here are some informative threads:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/481339-Dioxolane-on-tryptamine
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/484924-5-6-or-6-7-methylenedioxy-alpha-methyltryptamine
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/361645-5-6-methylenedioxy-tryptamines

 

[Vinz]

Thanks! They are answering my question . It seems that it would only create a strong serotonergic neurotoxin, too bad..

 

[Swedish Penguin]

I think I probably wont get any good answers here and will probably have to make a thread in ADD or just make a new thread but i figured i might as well ask here first:

What do you guys think about taking selegiline before amt. This would likely only be one dose-5-2.5mgs.

Of course the jury seems to be fairly evenly split about mixing selegiline with various psychedelics/stimulants, most people advising cutting dosage or simply not risking. I have conversely read that it would inhibit mdma neurotoxicity without too many other effects- especially if taken in such a small dosage just once before. Of course the safest thing would probably be to just not risk it- but inquiring mind needs to know.

I assume someone is going to hop on and say it is an MAOI and combining that with stimulants or with another MAOI is a no-no. but at those dosages- especially from a single administration I would assume it would only inhibit MAOB and as such not be very dangerous combining with amt, in fact I would assume it would make me feel a little more awake on amt. I do assume that amt releases some dopamine but I have never felt particularly dopaminey while on it.

I would also plan on possibly combining amt with some 4-sub tryptamine and then the next day i was probably planning on rolling too.. :D obviously this is all very tentative and I am just curious on peoples opinions if I would try this.

 

[Transform]

If you're doing it for science, ok, if it's for economy, stop it and buy some more, it's very cheap.

Start with very low doses of each and work your way up over a span of weeks. If you're doing it for science you need to do it like a scientist, and that means safely.

 

[Survived Abortion]

The thing with selegiline is that it's an irreversible MAO-B inhibitor, meaning that once it covalently bonds to the MAO molecule it cannot be cleaved by the body. This means that it takes a couple of weeks in order for your body to restore full MAO levels. I'm not sure how long you need to take selegiline in order to achieve significant MAO inhibition, but I wouldn't risk it, even with a one off dose.

I have used kava (which is an MAOI-B inhibitor) with aMT towards the end of the trip, and it went okay. But I suspect that it is reversible, the evidence seems to suggest that is so - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9832350. And I didn't drink much; if I had drunk a few cupfuls it might have been different.

All in all, the combination you suggested is just not something I'd want to be screwing around with casually. When you're talking MAO inhibition - especially irreversible inhibition - it's a new level of responsibility for your brain.

I also see that you're planning on rolling the next day. I have taken selegiline on the comedown of MDMA once before (during my more reckless days), and whilst I didn't die or experience any perceivable problems, it was a strange experience. A few friends and I each snorted a 5mg selegiline pill on the comedown of MDMA and, if I remember correctly, 2C-B. We all began to feel very weak and lethargic, but couldn't stop laughing at the stupidest things. We were just sat there wide awake, not moving, but giggling at everything. It felt like it sapped all my energy, and it wasn't exactly 'pleasant', it was just a case of sitting there and experiencing it. I wouldn't do it again.

 

[Swedish Penguin]

Well I've read both of your comments and all your arguments are entirely valid, i wont pursue this any further. It was in the name of science, but it is entirely risky to not do it in a scientific manner- ie. starting at a dose that would not be at all active and working my way up from there. I think I may in the future try that and possibly report back here. I would however start with dosages of like 1-5mgs and see the effects before jumping headfirst into a fully active dose.

I am still curious about its effects with mdma as more people have likely tried that combination, however this isnt the right place to ask, and I dont really think ill get a satisfactory response anywhere particularly.

Thanks.