The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 5th Dose (you took too much, seriously)

[Splitz]

I recently experienced extreme rage on MXE, but I went into it voluntarily and directed it at a virtual target (Having felt it, I sympathize with you as I imagine if it was involuntary the momentum of it would be frightening).

My girlfriend was gone for a few days so I dosed MXE and popped in "Texas Chainsaw Massacre," just because I felt a Halloween sorta mood. But as the carnage approached I could feel a demented joy welling up, like a calling from the sub-conscious. I was alone in the house, so I decided I would use the coming scenes to explore my dark side (to as extreme a reach as possible without externally acting on what I felt). It's my personal philosophy that the best way to control negative emotions is to start from a place of stability, then use media in conjunction with psychedelics to evoke the feelings in contained but still very powerful ways. It's my hope that in this way it's possible to learn to navigate the emotions during a time and in an environment that doesn't risk dire consequences -- to understand, intellectualize, and, ultimately, better control them if they should take me by surprise "in real life." I don't know of any other realistic way to learn to manage emotions so powerful preemptively, and would feel irresponsible if I didn't try.

The rage built and built, and I embraced it and pushed on at every new plateau. I peaked at a level of manic sadism, a bug-eyed, shuddering, gnashing, and drooling (all literally) lust for the death on screen. I was sucking in short, toothy, breaths like I was trying to cannibalize the moments. It was fascinating to find the MXE mania could express itself in a way so contrary to the peacefully innocent orgy of bliss that my best MXE experiences consist of. It was an orgasm of terror and hate, and I was searching and learning it. I was feeling the ecstatic rage of a psychopath in me -- presumably the one somewhere in all of us (certainly in most males, or else how can we explain homicidal-rapist soldiers or the sadistic prison guards in the Stanford Prison Experiment who were perfectly normal undergrads just days before? We're all that one special condition away from being a monster, but maybe we can find it within us first, and thereby hope to tame it.)

Then, at the end of the film, it just went away. I started laughing in amazement. It may have been the most satisfying laughter of my life. It wasn't a catharsis at having expressed such rage, but joy in that it was possible to feel something so horrific and then snap back into contentment, joy in knowing that such a delirious, marauding hate really never was in control, in seeing and knowing how truly silly it all was.

That dark side can definitely come to the fore on MXE. I remember watching Football Factory (pretty wank film in all honesty) and I got a huge buzz off the violence. I think that's healthy though, and I would describe it as cathartic.

 

[limonov]

So why is everyone conviced that the bad batch is Tiletamine?
I just got a bit of this salty batch and it is certainly not as potent as previous batches of MXE and has a different consistency.
But couldnt that be explained by an impure synth.

Is tiletamine easier to make than MXE?
I just dont see the motive when real MXE isnt all that hard to find.

The synthesis is of about equal difficulty I believe- ketamine and ketamine-like structures are, however, considerably harder to make than PCP and its analogues (which is why it is unlikely that ketamine would ever be illictly synthesised- thank God it's on the WHO core medicine list %)).

I sincerely doubt that anyone would bother obtaining an active cut- if you're an asshole and you're gonna cut the MXE that you're selling you're just going to use salt or sugar or msg like assholes who cut ketamine. It's just like any time people have a bad acid trip 'the blotter was totally DOM/tainted with strychnine dude!'- that's just what people say.

Now, I'm sure the more chemically minded (although all minds are chemically based come to think of it...) people will be able to confirm/deny- but wouldn't it be possible that problems during the synth of 3-MeO-2-Oxo-PCE could result in it containing small amounts of 3-MeO-PCE & 2-Oxo-PCE? Sorta like some synthesis routes for MDMA can result in some of it being MDA or some routes to DOC resulting in 2C-C? If so, they are active at such a low dose that they certainly would be able to exert an influence on the 'character' of the methoxetamine experience even if they were consumed at sub-active levels.

That would mean that if you get a 'really opiate-y, stoning' batch of MXE then that 50mg you just snorted may have been:
-40mg 3-MeO-2-Oxo-PCE
-6mg 2-Oxo-PCE
-1mg 3-MeO-PCE
-3mg Unreacted inactive precursors/excess acid
While a 50mg line of the 'extremely manic, uplifting' batch of MXE might be:
-40mg 3-MeO-2-Oxo-PCE
-7mg 3-MeO-PCE
-3mg Unreacted inactive precursors/excess acid.

That would also explain why if (in my experience) you binge on methoxetamie, dosing multipe times a day for several days in a row then gradually the effects profile changes and the duration grows exponentally longer- redosing will eventually result in a percievable dose of these much longer lasting arylcyclohexylamines? It would also explain why IV is so god damn-intense, completely out of proportion to other ROA- shooting up even just a few mgs of 95% of PCP analogues ontop of another NMDAr Antagonist is going to be one hell of a ride.

 

[rockstar 69]

Sorry bout that peoples im okay now.

i used Mxe on its own before, and i was fine days after.
ive used ketamine on its own Many a many a times and felt great after.

Maybe mixing the two of them ultimately led to a bit of a depressed state.
I noticed a manic episode earlier, followed by that depressive crash.

So perhaps Ket and mxe = bad idea

It's not dosing them together, you've just seen why I'm not a massive fan of MXE. Sometimes randomly it just isn't enjoyable.

I don't think it was really made to be particularly recreational though.

 

[Darksidesam]

ive used it on its own , in 10mg,
then 15mg another day,

20mg another day.
they was all fun times, no comedown or crazy depressed thoughts,

But wow, sammeh was in a bad way yesterday evening... ...

extremely depressed really in a bad way, was still depressed this morning but its wearing off now

 

[ColtDan]

usually get a nice afterglow and feel motivated for many days after mxe, pretty much always have a good experience with it, did some meph and mdma over the weekend and then mxe n been fucked up for days, dizzy n exhausted, eyes wont focus properly, feel a some de-realization, depression, called in sick for the past 2 days. what a fucking idiot

 

[rockstar 69]

I've spoke to you plenty of times where your heads been absolutely fried just from doing too much MXE. I really don't see this stuff as sesh material or something to do after stimulants (it seems much more confusing and outright bizzare in combo).

I think a couple of lines on a quiet night and relax maybe watch a movie or meditate would bring out the positive aspects. I'm not into meditation really so it would probably be the film.

I just want something with the positivity and motivation of ketamine, unfortunately for me MXE does not fit the bill.

 

[foolsgold]

strange how the idea of a ban makes you want some thing more doesn't it just had to break my promise to myself an order a gram for the morning

 

[rockstar 69]

Hahaha! It's funny isn't it, prohibition solves everything I guess 8)

During the MDMA drought all I wanted was some good E's, through sheer persistance I had many, sickened myself of them. When meph was banned, all I wanted was some meph, found some good quality stuff and drove myself to the edge of sanity once more..... now all I need is to have the chance to do this with K.

 

[Cface]

Naturally, I have been somewhat of a negative and lazy person. I say "have been" because I am learning to change this. Anyway, for me, the easily controllable hypomania that MXE delivers is.. and believe me I wish I wasn't saying this in all honesty on a widely read message board.. something like a miracle antidepressant.

The mania from mxe is a freeing mindset to be in, at least for the more mentally well-balanced (I use that term loosely). The ability to lose control of your mind while also being introspectively-contained in safety (if you've got the cognitive diligence to do so) is a psychological release; like when two spouses use pillows or those soft bats in therapy to hit each other with. We're expelling the pent-up anger, insanity, and depraved sensations we repress in our psyche within a (usually) comfortable mindset and head-space. [I view the two differently on a technical level]

As with anything, the mania from MXE can, like many posters mentioned, get the better of the users mind; consuming their consciousness and leading them to a state of psychological (internal) or physical (external) harm. It takes discipline on a multifaceted level to tame the beast within us that is conjured up by MXE and its counter-parts.

Just my opinion though.

 

[Issac Sinclair]

Oh shit. Where is it getting banned?

How do I get megalomania? It sounds like a great confidence booster!

 

[foolsgold]

not sure its sometime soon uk only, that amt apb and anything else thats fun

 

[sekio]

As for some theories getting tossed around -
MXE will not have 3- or 4-MeO-PCP/PCE as impurities, unless they are added by a third party! Chemical synthesis does not work that way - only one of your examples really holds true (MDMA -> MDA as impurity) because most of the time the chemist is not using super crude materials. DOx is not formed as an impurity in 2C-x synthesis unless you start with a mixture of the 2-carbon and 3-carbon synthons when making the phenethylamine backbone. A key observation is that there's a ring expansion from a methylcyclopentanol to the cyclohexanone ring you see in ketamine/tiletamine synthesis that the MeO-PCP's and PCE's lack and in fact don't need because the structure is diffferent. I think people are way too quick to discount set and setting; these still play a factor even in e.g. opioid or arylcyclohexylamine experiences. If you do a bunch of K while in a shitty mood it will have a much different effect than doing a bunch of K after you just got laid, paid, and smoked a blunt in a Ferarri with 4 Portugese hookers.

I'm not going to go into it here; but the synthesis for ketamine and tiletamine are very much the same except for a few minor differences. The compounds are much closer in structure and activity than many of you think. Essentially the only difference between the two is a methoxy group, and I'm pretty confident nobody would want to try to distinguish between e.g. methoxyamphetamine and regular ol' amphetamine by taste. I bet your GCMS would confuse the two if it wasn't calibrated closely.

As for all this talk of "the ban", really, what the fuck did you guys expect, talking openly about how euphoric and miraculous this drug is and how you're ordering more even though you promised not to. Non-addictive and no comedowns, my smelly white moderator ass. This is just as bad as the meph fiasco.

Also, no talk about where to get MXE- that's sourcing and it's banned here.

 

[DwayneHoover]

higher doses are much more interesting

Thanks for the input, I will keep that in mind. So do you think going from 20 to 30mg is a good idea, or maybe I should try with 25 first. It seems like for some it has a pretty steep dose/response curve.

 

[sekio]

Titrate up slowly, if you fall into an M-hole without proper preparations you will be rather confused at the least.

I suggest taking 5-10 mg steps. For me, 20mg is active indeed, but ataxia starts hitting at the 50-60mg mark. 80mg is pretty wonky and high-dosed, but still functional and I can move around and talk somewhat. The "hole" is somewhere beyond 100mg. 200mg rectal is a guarantee of a hole. (all doses are rectal/IM... oral or sublingual doses are about 1/2 to 3/4 as potent I would say)

50mg oral is a pleasant enough experience for dissociative newbies; I suggest you start there if you want a "high dose" experience but have not experimented with K before.

 

[foolsgold]

lol at the smoking a blunt in a ferrari with 4 portugues hookers.

 

[Albion]

Ok so the other night, my very good friend and I both took MXE. This was the first time either of us have had MXE in months, and we took a lot. We also ended up drawing a lot, being art students and all, and what we came up with is...bizarre. At the time our drawings looked absolutely insane, proper Picasso stuff. Looking back, it hasn't got the same 'wow' factor but I think it's still fascinating nonetheless. The combination of slight motor and visual impairment, crossed with the manic behaviour and thought patterns that MXE induces created a very unique style of art...One that I feel truly reflects the madness and confusion of the M-Hole experience. The writings are particularly insightful...

This first one is an observational drawing of me, as drawn by my friend.

This one is my stream of consciousness trying to capture the sensation of 'falling'...That sense of dropping through dimensions at lightning speed, falling into the m-hole. Spelling got a bit difficult.

Some more decidedly manic musings from myself. I was so happy at this point. The all-encompassing, nirvana-like euphoria of MXE was washing over me and at this point I just wanted to remain in that world forever. I am expressing my dismay and disappointment at how nobody else in the world really knows how good this place is (except for you guys).

The final drawing is one my friend made of me lying on my bed, completely out of it. I didn't move for about an hour. I personally love this drawing...it's fucking awesome!

 

[sekio]

Those are definitely drawings made by someone in an altered state, I'll tell you that much for free..

 

[Albion]

Those are definitely drawings made by someone in an altered state, I'll tell you that much for free..

There's no doubting their authenticity

 

[Darksidesam]

I swear ive seen drawings like that somewhere before.....
....Oh yeah ! Ward 12 at my local hospital.. =P =P

 

[bluedolphin]

JSPete don't let the haters get you down. That art should probably be in a museum, or at least a fine art gallery! Consider my horizons expanded!