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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread: 9th dose - Tolerance Schmolerance

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i think ozmancometh was making an elaborate joke about allergy test... i take loratadine as a daily anti-histamine....

edit: haha nvm... gotta stop reading threads backwards
 
Addiction is not some perjoritive term that is thrown around to insult people- addiction is a self-destructive and ultimately purposeless psychological condition where you over-value obtaining drugs/taking drugs/the effects of drugs to the extent that you stop prioritising other things in your life.

The real danger of methoxetamine addiction is not so much destroying your bladder or your brain (though I get the feeling that arylcyclohexylamines are fairly destructive in general), it's about destroying relationships with people who you care about and who care about you, it's about losing a firm enough grip on reality to be able to concieve of meaningful goals (concrete achievements, not hyper-abstract 'dissociative achievements' that generally amount to nothing in the real world), it's about spending hours trying to think up the 'perfect formula' for drug abuse- that simultanously allows for a normal life as well as chronic dissociative abuse.

I don't mean to be preachy, but these threads have gotten progressively scarier and scarier as time as passed- I agree with IAmMe90. I'm speaking from experience- when I used methoxetamine heavily, even though I held down a good job and continued to socialise and whatnot I was drifting further and further away from reality and the dissociatives were slowly sending me insane. I was narscissistic, manic, delusional, aggressive...all without knowing it at the time. I was driving a huge wedge between myself and my friends because of my increasingly insane behaviour, I was losing my partner because I wasn't actually living in the same dimension as her- all without having a fucking clue.

Dissociatives are a lot like cannabis- not in the least bit addictive, but habituating. Powerfully habituating. And chronic dosing of methoxetamine (and like 80% of the doses listed on this thread I would consider 'high/chronic dosing') over any period of time seems to cause the build up of long-acting metabolites, so you're high all the time. My lips were numb, not vascular constriction numb, but rather 'I just smoked just the right amount of PCP' numb for about 4 weeks after I stopped my methoxetamine/ketamine binge.

I crave heroin, but I don't give into that yearning because I want to be clean and I don't want to fuck up my poppy tea taper. I'm so close to being free of my fucking opiate addiction. And once I'm clean I'm gonna crave opiates, I'm gonna crave them long after the PAWS has gone away and everything. But I don't want to give into these cravings and there is nothing making you act on your cravings. YOu can't do anything about your cravings, but you have absolute control over how you respond to your cravings. Denying that is using the same arguements paedophiles use to justify their crimes- 'it's not my fault I'm only attracted to kids, I have cravings!'. It isn't an excuse for that and it isn't an excuse for this.

The drugs aren't the problem- what the drugs are almost undoubtably doing to your life and your interpersonal relationships is either a problem or is going to become a problem. Balance is important. Being able to enjoy being sober is important. Being able to resist cravings is important. Self mastery is a virtue, being enslaved to your desires is a vice.

Have you ever heard of the idea that if you don't try, you'll never succeed? Often times I find that people who say that they are "just being honest with themselves" about compulsive drug use are not really being honest with themselves, but instead creating a justification for not attempting to take on one of the hardest endeavors there is - abstaining from said drug. I will not deny that it may be TRUE that you cannot abstain from MXE, but you really DON'T know this with any kind of certainty - "being honest with yourself," telling yourself that you CAN'T abstain from MXE before even putting a serious effort into it, is not being honest, it's being lazy and it's an addictive act. There is far more you can do to help yourself elude these addictive tendencies than simply thinking "I won't dose today." Of those options involve professional help, familial and friend support, and other avenues. I would be surprised if you have attempted any of these - and in which case, you aren't being honest with yourself.

Remarkably eloquent posts above by limonov and IAmMe90, regarding addiction and self-honesty. They are worth requoting simply because they are so damn true.
 
Hi, does anyone have experieince mixing mxe with mdma?
Is this an enjoyable combination?
relatively safe?
how should dosing be spaced? which should be taken first?

thanks!!
 
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Do not mix them. its shit and unsafe

The experience is shit?
as in, unenjoyable?

Ive heard differently, why do you say its shit? Have you experienced the two together?

Why is it unsafe? I heard that it could possibly be dangerous but not flat out UNSAFE
 
im experienced... take my advice or leave it.

isnt dangerous and unsafe the same thing? either way, fuck it, go ahead and try it.
 
im experienced... take my advice or leave it.

isnt dangerous and unsafe the same thing? either way, fuck it, go ahead and try it.

Sorry for sounding rude. I was just hoping for further explanation as to why it was unsafe and a shit combination
 
I enjoyed the combo and have seen others reporting good experiences with it as well.
I enjoyed it most when taking the MXE on the tail end of the MDMA. The Roll felt prolonged with an added plus of having a euphoric and trippy comedown.
I also didn't experience any adverse physical effects, but then again I never have with MXE.
The only thing I didn't like a bit of MXE with was lorazepam because it gave me complete amnesia.

Dan, to just say it was shit and we have to take your word for it is not a sufficient reply. Explain why, otherwise your reply is a waste of space in this thread.
 
im experienced... take my advice or leave it.

isnt dangerous and unsafe the same thing? either way, fuck it, go ahead and try it.

Dude, what's with the prickly attitude? This is a harm reduction board, and it would helpful to those who ask for your advice to give a cogent and articulate explanation as to why you have the opinion you do. One-line idiomatic replies are utterly worthless to those reading to find out proper information so that they can make judgements on what and how to take certain compounds.
 
apologies, agreed it was a bad response. sorry

Mixing it with things has nearly killed me, mxing it with MDMA or mephedrone has left me depressed and messed up for days, read a few other people have been left messed up by the MDMA + MXE combo, not sure how the structure works but would advise against. each to their own etc, try it if you like. as for HR, yeah i know this is a HR board, half of my posts have been made on the MXE boards. sorry to sound blunt and like and like an asshole
 
I'd imagine the mixture of effects on both Dopamine and Serotonin levels is just overall bad. I can't imagine the aftereffects being very positive, or enjoyable. Why don't we all just agree, mixing is never a good idea. Especially when it comes to RC's such as MXE. You never really know what's going to happen, or what has happened. It's best to keep such actions to a minimum.
 
Sorry for sounding rude. I was just hoping for further explanation as to why it was unsafe and a shit combination

It has been speculated that combining MXE and MDMA would pose a risk of serotonin syndrome, like combining DXM with MDMA. Since MXE's pharmacology is unknown, no one can say for sure if it's dangerous, but various people have reported adverse effects when combining the two.

People have had racing hearts, tension, panic, palpitations, anxiety and other unpleasant mental and physical effects and negative after effects. Some people seem to have done the combo without negative effects, but many if not most of the reports I've read advise against mixing the two.

Here's a thread about it- http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/625710-MXE-for-MDMA-comedown-Serotonin-Syndrome-Dangers


Also, in this thread is a list of things and their interactions with MXE- http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/564232-Methoxetamine-Subthread-Combinations

I would say that you should not mix the two. You run a significant risk of a bad experience (that could even be physically dangerous) and since nothing is known about how MXE actually works, it's always better to play it safe than risk a bad time or worse. Serotonin syndrome is horribly unpleasant and potentially deadly.
 
Ah, and another thing: is it ok to take some Methylone on a Sunday if you've taken MXE on Tuesday? I mean it seems that MXE is also working on Serotonin Receptors, so i'm a bit concerned. I'm rather safe than sorry, so any suggestions?

The concern is with taking these things at the same time/while the MXE is still producing effects. That's way more than enough time between the two drugs, you're fine to take the Methylone :)

And chronic dosing of methoxetamine (and like 80% of the doses listed on this thread I would consider 'high/chronic dosing') over any period of time seems to cause the build up of long-acting metabolites, so you're high all the time.

I had also such thoughts about those Metabolites Limonov was talkin' about. Afaik PCP and therefore possibly MXE also is being released into the bloodstream even days after use, hence producing effects, perhaps not that much but presumably enough to badly interact with other substances taken. I'm glad i've not taken the Metyhlone i was talking about, keeping this in mind. And as i've said i'm rather safe than sorry.

What i noticed most is that if i'm drinking bigger loads of alcohol some days after taking MXE, i almost everytime feel really fucked up for days afterwards. And by that i mean mentally as also physically. I've firstly made no connection but now i'm 100% sure it has something to do with the MXE taken before.
 
Been about 5 days since I've used mxe. Managed to source some k (Only getting 2 or 3 grams and it's a one-time thing) that'll be coming within the month. I think that'll knock out any thoughts I have about ordering mxe and I really have never abused k as I have mxe so I think my nasty dissociative addiction will no longer be so present in the forefront my mind. Also, the past 2 days I've felt the most positive and confident that I have in a long time.

J.Wallace, keep your head up bud. Definitely try and take your mind off the mxe as it will feel very empowering, even if you don't wish to "quit forever" (I don't :D Just plan to wait til a more stable time in my life where I won't abuse it) just getting your mind out of the train of thought that you're stuck and you're in a love-hate relationship with this chem will really grant you a lot of clarity. You can PM me if you need
 
no joke, loratadine did make it different.... seemed more tuned and balanced, allergy tests are a must! just like keeping liquid diphendramine on hand... anaphylaxis can occur with alot of meds, and RC's are no exception to the rule....
 
I've taken mxe many times after taking an anti-histamine and noted no real difference in effects. I used fexofenidine and cetirizine. I was also using a .05% oxymetazoline spray twice a day which had no effects on the mxe.
 
I end up using my 2 grams a week ago. My mind returned to normal recently. I can say I definitely want to use it in the future, but I would not call it addiction.
Willpower is always appreciated.
BUT. To be honest I found it hard to stop until I had a bag with MXE ... I would compare it with a good marijuana.
Also, as already mentioned, this substance can cause madness. For some time ...
Despite this, MXE has played a positive role in my life. Excellent antidepressant.
Why don't we all just agree, mixing is never a good idea. Especially when it comes to RC's such as MXE.
I agree. I try never mix the RC, withal MXE is very good in itself.
 
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Some kids I know who do PCP recently mentioned MXE is just like PCP.

I know MXE is more similar to PCE and PCP than Ketamine, but...hearing them say this, just turned me off to this drug a lot more...I still fucking love it, but damn...now every time I do it, I can't help but feel disgusted with myself. The next day, it's almost like I can smell the chemical being excreted through my sweat. Subconcious, perhaps...a good thing? Perhaps! I don't like what this drug is doing to myself and my friends. I really don't want to be doing this much longer...as much as I wanted to stock up before it gets banned here in the states, I don't think I want to anymore. The fact that it's that nasty of a drug, turns me off...
 
Pcp is bad? Id call dxm the "crappy" dissociative... id call salvia the "bad" one...
 
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