How did you like 20mg? I've honestly been considering starting higher than 15. From what I've read, 15 is pretty mild, even more so when it's the fumarate which is only around 68% 4-ho-mipt by weight.
I know I should start low and work my way up, but I don't get many days off and don't really want to waste a tripping day on an underwhelming experience.
Yeah, the beginning of the thread I saw how people got the hcl version, so I upped the dose too. 20mg was good. I was functional, but had a nice frying time, no more no less. Everything looked like it was breathing/waving, and in fact it would come in waves. It put me in a "funny" mood, which I gather was from the euphoria, body high, plus its mood lift. In comparison, lsd doesn't lift my mood at all, but I'll get a good session in with 2 tabs. 1 hardly does anything.
Shit! I had a really bad trip the other day taking this, and that's the first time that has happened. For some reason even though I took a smaller dose that usual, I was just tripping so hard that I couldn't see anything, reality was being torn apart and had pretty much been completely replaced by hallucinations. I wasn't expecting this at all and wasn't ready or willing, so I was fighting against it which is always bad. As I was panicking thinking I might die or lose my mind forever, I barely managed to make my way from my living room to bedroom to get a couple of benzos to abort the trip. I just wanted to get as far from tripping as possible. When the benzos kicked in, I calmed down a lot and managed to enjoy the trip a bit although it just wasn't the same.
That sounds very similar to my 150mg dose. The only rc's I have, so far, are miprocin and 5 mapb. They are both fumurate, tan colored, and the texture is even the same. That's how I had mistaken them for each other, and marked the baggies after that.
I think it induced a panic state because it was sudden, irreversible, and unexpected. It certainly did take apart reality for me too that day. I don't have any downers/benzos, and like a bad acid trip I constantly reminded myself that it isn't permanent and will go away once the trip ends. But unlike lsd, the miprocin trip became really enjoyable and wondrous after I remembered to "remember" that tip, which was hard to do at first in that state.
But seems like you also had a bad reaction? Have you been taking any other chems/meds? I'm surprised at the difference in reaction to specific doses too. A few weeks ago, I took a 50 mg dose and it was only a tad stronger than 20 mg doses I took in the past. Like any psychedelic, mental states can make trips fluctuate a lot, but you would know best if that was more likely the case or not.
It's really interesting to me to see how most people react to 4-HO-MiPT. For me, no matter the dosage it was always incredibly subtle. Never had any visuals even when pushed to 40mg+. Mental stimulation was negligible as well. It reminded me of 2C-D in it's tofu-ness (not in individual effects, persay). Combined with certain other psychedelics it offered some nice augmentation to the regular experience, but on it's own it was fairly bland.
Wow, no visuals even at 40+? I bet you have quite the tolerance level, maybe cross tolerance with other chems? Though I'm just poking in the dark here =). Have you pushed the dose any higher?
It seems safe to do, so I plan on taking that 70mg dose this weekend. A lot sooner than I planned, but now I really want to see what the effects will be after so much variation has been reported, including my own trials.
