Stimulants Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex)

[stom10]

ive tryed lots of forms pep pills
such adderall, dexedrine, desoxyn, PPA, and even Fenproporex
you could call me a speed freak

propylhexedrine (also known as hexahydromethamphetamine). propylhexedrine increases levels of norepinephrine, serotonin and dopamine just like amphetamine, and the molecular structure of propylhexedrine is almost identical to methamphetamine

face it the company Smith, Kline and French just replace benzidrine with another form OTC speed because they know the FDA are dumb enough not to think twice. they knew the FDA or the anti doping agency would not actually find out what benzedrine was replaced with instead they sit on there asses making money off the money that was suppose to go towards the bs "WAR ON DRUGS"

benzedrex is the benies of our generation

In spite of the outward similarities in the chemical structures of propylhexedrine and meth, they affect you in very different ways. The lack of double bonds on the ring of propylhexedrine allows the ring to take a non-planar conformation (the phenyl ring on methamp is planar due to bond strain). This difference in conformation leads to a large difference in how the molecules actually look, when they aren't just line drawings on a computer. This is also why propylhexedrine doesn't cross the blood brain barrier nearly as well as meth, isn't as euphoric and has terrible peripheral effects (due to the high dosage needed to get a significant amount into your brain). This stuff is worlds away from meth. Be careful with it. It can't be good for your body to take huge doses or to take this with any sort of frequency.

 

[Korn3x]

^^

nice post.

ya i tried the stuff once and extracted it in lemon juice but didnt eat the cotton. i had decent effects. i wrote a whole trip report on it, but i never posted it up. the next time i try benzedrex i'll prob post it up. its been months for me since that first time i did it.

 

[Korn3x]

Would the Lemon or Lime juice "RealLemon/RealLime" in the plastic green/yellow containers work for extracting the chemical from the inhaler

ya that's what i used. i used the lemon one tho and cut the cotton up into 6 pieces and let them sit in a big glass of that shit overnight.

 

[Drownrat]

It seems this thread has died, I was wondering if there are any bad interactions between the ingredients in an Amp energy drink (Ginseng Taurine, etc) and Propylhexedrine

 

[JamtasticX]

^ I don't think there would be bad interactions, main times diet has problems is with MAOI's, but energy drinks still get your heart racing, so all those uppers might not be great for you?

 

[Drownrat]

Yeah, I think I'm going to decide against it and just drink some green tea or coffee. The reason I ask is because when I was taking vyvanse a while back some Caffeine would really set off the "up" feeling so I'm going to try it with 3/4 a cotton of Benzedrex. I do know the effects of Propylhexedrine can be much less of a CNS stimulant so I won't be taking too much Caffeine with it, if I decide to have any Caffeine at all

 

[Eagleman]

Benzedrex sucks. The effects feel great at the onset, you'll start feeling an amphetamine-like sensation. But that wears off very quickly and you are thrown into a filthy, jittery high that surprisingly lasts a very long time.
If anybody out there is considering taking a Benzedrex ride, make sure you have a supply of benzos or opiates at hand because you will most likely want to abort the high.

 

[Drownrat]

I actually think the complete opposite as you Eagleman, I don't enjoy the come up at all but the effects about an hour and 15 minutes in are great (for an OTC med), and yes I have taken other more effective stimulants.

 

[Eagleman]

^^
Well all I know is that in the handful of times I've tried it (oral, the entire cotton pledget), I always waited in anticipation for the onset. Within half an hour, my hair would feel prickly, my stomach would feel warm, and I'd feel the beginnings of a great euphoria--just like coming up on speed. After that, 6 hours or so of restless anxiety, pounding heartbeat, and a headache. Every time I either thanked my lucky stars that I had some lorazepam or some oxycodone to bring me down, or I would go on a frantic hunt for something of the like. I dunno--Benzedrex just speeds me out TOO much--and not in a happy, euphoric, clean the house top to bottom kinda way--more like in a paranoid, can't sit still, fidget with hands "oh when will it stop" kinda way.

 

[Drownrat]

Well it's an OTC stim, sounds like you're expecting it to be prescription methamphetamine
If you ever decide to take Benzedrex again then make sure you set the cotton in enough real lemon juice to cover it for 12 hours, mix it with your drinkable liquid of choice and then consume about half of it, maybe a little more. By the time it hits you will be feeling nice, wait 30 mins drink 1/2 of whats left, wait 30 minutes and drink the remaining. PM me and let me know how it goes. *This goes to both of the posters who said they didn't like it*

 

[elbroski]

Mr. Ben Ze Drex

Haha @ MDPVagrant, right on man, their disapproval of its recreational affects should keep within arms reach (or at least within walking distance) for a while longer. For sure the active ingredient in this nasal decongestant is a unique psychotropic agent.
If you are a stimulant connoisseur you may be a bit disappointed in it's inability to provide massive amounts of productive, vacuum cleaning, dish-washing, term-paper writing energy; you are most likely in for a disappointment.
The stimulation is more mental than anything else but it has an odd quality to it. Like others have said, I'm very surprised that this chemical is still on the OTC market. Whenever I do it the effects normally take anywhere from 1-2hrs to manifest and they sort of sneak up on manifesting themselves slowly. I would liken a lower dose (about 1 cotton) to a subtle MDMA feeling that persists for about 6 hours (for me). It's certainly not like adderall or meth where the stimulant affects are right in front of your face, unable to be ignored. You can sit and read a book if you want and be perfectly comfortable.
As for the people who are saying: "you might as well go buy a double shot of espresso for all its worth!", I would only repeat the above, the drugs effects are not meant to be super "speedy" of physical and at points you have to really "get into them" to notice 'em at all. There are many peaks and valleys.
Personally I enjoy this chemical on occasion and find it to be very euphoric sometimes. Mixed with a benzo it is especially enjoyable because the subtle uneasiness is totally gone. I don't get much of a hangover 'cept I'm a bit tired and unsociable, but other than that it's worth it. Give it a go and lemme know whatcha think!

Happy journeying psychonauts!

 

[doppelganga196]

Man i was curious about this stuff since i haven't been able to get amphetamine for like 3 years. Its sounds like hell tho, what about a very low dose?

 

[TheAlligator!]

I skipped pages 3 through 6 of this, so I may have missed something, but I've done propylhexedrine a few times myself. I even used to have a slang name for it- "the purple".

I stopped doing it because the comedown is so ridiculously awful, or at least it was for me. I'm pretty stimulant-naive (I've only done amphetamine and mephedrone), but the comedown was orders of magnitude worse than either one of those. It's not just a "I'm tired and anhedonic but I can't sleep because I'm still tweaked" sort of thing a la amphetamine, it's more of a "oh, fuck, everything in the universe is stupid and pointless" kind of feeling. It's hard to explain but awful.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was at least somewhat neurotoxic. I'm going to second what many have already said- the real risks are from the vasoconstricive properties. It may bind at the same receptors as meth, due to the similarities in structure between the two, but its primary function is as a vasoconstrictor. It's not as bad as mephedrone in certain ways, but worse in others; mephedrone seems (again, this is just my personal experience) to be vasoconstricting in certain regions of the body, especially the extremities, whereas propylhexedrine is just vasoconstricting all over. It's weird, too, in that I don't remember much tachycardia with it.

Then again, I also smoked weed the first time I tried propylhexedrine, and it turned out later that the weed in question was laced with coke, and, somehow, I'm still here.

If one can stand the godawful comedown, the euphoria is really something else. It's honestly the best substance I've tried for writing or creative things. It's up to you whether or not you feel the risk is worth it in terms of the vasoconstriction.

 

[dantheman733]

Has anyone else tried cutting up the cotton and putting it into a gel capsule?

I'm just worried that when it dissolves, the gel might bind to the cotton resulting in some of the product not being absorbed. Or worse, that the gel binding to cotton could increase the risk of getting an intestinal blockage

I actually tried it last night. After eating a half of stick of cotton plain I decided I didn't want to taste that again so I cut the other half up into small pieces and put them inside a couple gel caps.

I was on Adderall at the time also, so I cannot be the best judge of the effects. It definitely worked but I couldn't really judge how much it was working.

I'll probably do it again today, at a higher dose and probably all in gel caps so we'll see how that goes.

 

[dantheman733]

Then again, I also smoked weed the first time I tried propylhexedrine, and it turned out later that the weed in question was laced with coke, and, somehow, I'm still here.

I highly doubt the weed you smoked was laced with cocaine. As a matter of fact the entire idea of laced weed is pretty much a myth. As drugs go, marijuana is cheap. Anything a dealer puts in it is going to cost him more, gram for gram, than the weed would. This is especially true for cocaine since it is VERY expensive ($60/gram around here for good stuff). Dealers want to make money; they wouldn't spend extra just to fuck with their customers. On the same note, they probably would also like to keep the customers they have.

Also, I have smoked cocaine before. Not crack, mind you. We were just kind of curious and topped a bowl of weed with maybe 1/4 gram of coke. It liquefied and turned into a sort of crack-rock lookin thing after putting flame to it. As for effects, it did nothing (except for getting stoned off the weed). This makes sense because smoking cocaine in its powdered form does NOT release the active ingredients. In order to smoke something, it has to be in its freebase form. In cocaine's case, this freebase form is crack. If you felt definite effects beyond just being stoned, that would effectively prove that it wasn't coke in your weed. Also, smoking coke won't kill you.

Smoking weed while on, or especially coming off of certain stimulants can really fuck you up. I've felt like I was on acid after doing bong hits while coming off of MDMA. Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex) acts in a similar way as MDMA, so perhaps that is what fucked you up. Or maybe you just had really awesome weed

I am pretty certain your weed was not laced at all; unless one of your friends thought it would be funny to do so.

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On the general topic of Propylhexedrine here are my discoveries:
1.) Yes it works and is probably the best OTC drug for recreational purposes. (Yeah, DXM gets you trippin pretty good but it makes you feel too shitty to be worth it. I'd rather wait for shrooms or acid to come around or buy some morning glory or HBWR seeds if I want to trip).
2.) Parachuting the cotton inside a tissue does NOT work for avoiding the nasty taste! The propylhexedrine soaks through almost instantly so you will end up tasting it anyway (found out the hard way).
3.) Remember: If you feel like you are going to burp make sure that you instantly blow the burp forcefully out of your as soon as it comes up to avoid having to re-taste it every time.
4.) Adderall and Propylhexedrine are cross tolerant. There are reports on here advising to only do 1/4 of 1 cotton stick (so about 62.5mg). If you take adderall regularly or took it recently, 1/4 stick won't do shit. You will need AT LEAST 1 stick (250mg) of the cotton. In most cases, you will need 1.5 to 2 sticks (375-500mg) to feel anything.
5.) Like with MDMA it helps to smoke weed during the comedown. Drinking a beer or other alcohol also helps. In terms of the safety of mixing alcohol and Propylhexedrine, I couldn't find anything specific on the subject (especially at recreational doses) but it is likely just a factor of dehydration like drinking on MDMA so in all likelyhood you'd be fine as long as you drank plenty of water with it. I probably had around 8 drinks (beer and wine) and suffered no ill effects. Smoking some bud or having a beer is also helpful it you are tweaking a bit too hard and wish too mellow out or "smooth out the edges" of your stimulant high.
6.) Someone mentioned that you have to be 18 to buy Propylhexedrine/Benzedrex and that it is now kept behind the counter (like with pseudoephedrine). I live in MI and was able to buy it off the shelf at Meijer (a grocery store chain similar too wal-mart found around the Great Lakes region). I didn't have to show ID, there was no limit to how many you could buy and I didn't have to sign anything. I used the self-scan thing and was in and out in 5 minutes with 4 of the inhalers.

 

[lazydullard]

^most gelcaps will dissolve completely in water; they won't stand a chance in your stomach. i've done the gelcap method a few times, and there are no complications.

have you tried extracting the propylhexedrine in acidic beverages (coca cola or juice)? should be safer than eating the cotton (the taste is worse, though).

don't combine this drug with adderall! these are probably the two most physically rough stimulants. i'd go as far as to say it would be dangerous.

 

[dantheman733]

^most gelcaps will dissolve completely in water; they won't stand a chance in your stomach. i've done the gelcap method a few times, and there are no complications.

have you tried extracting the propylhexedrine in acidic beverages (coca cola or juice)? should be safer than eating the cotton (the taste is worse, though).

don't combine this drug with adderall! these are probably the two most physically rough stimulants. i'd go as far as to say it would be dangerous.

That's what I figured, but you never know. Putting the cotton into gel caps is definitely the best method then. Your body is able to absorb all of it, whereas the liquid extraction method won't get 100% of the Propylhexedrine. Also, mixing it with lemon juice or fruit juice doesn't get rid of the taste, but with the pills you taste nothing. If you take the time to cut the cotton up into very small pieces they will also have no trouble passing through your intestinal system. If your body can pass a penny (I ate one as a child ), it should be able to easily deal with a tiny ball of cotton.

I didn't try the liquid extraction method because some people were saying that you need to let it soak for 72 hours and I didn't want to wait 3 days to try it.

That day I ended up taking about 40mg of Adderall XR and 500mg total of the Propylhexedrine/Benzedrex. I didn't take the second 250mg until around 6-8 hours after the first 250mg dose though. I also had around 8 drinks worth of beer and wine and smoked weed throughout.

Generally, it is not good idea to mix Adderall and Propylhexedrine since the both are stimulants and increase your heart rate. But for people like me who have a prescription, Adderall stops qualifying as "physcially rough" since you gain a tolerance and get used to it. The two drugs are also cross-tolerant, meaning that since I have a tolerance to Adderall I also have one for Propylhexedrine. So i need much more of both drugs to get the effect that a normal person would. Of course, you should be very careful anytime you are mixing drugs. In my case, I know how I respond to stimulants and knew that the combination should not be a problem, but for others it could be dangerous.

 

[Korn3x]

all you need to do is cut the cotton into 6 pieces. then use a fork to squish the cotton against the edges of your glass and slowly work the juices out for about 20 mins. make sure that none of the cotton pieces have any brown spots on them, cuz that means there's propylhexedrine left in the cotton still.

i've done this method, as well as soak the cotton for 12 hours and have gotten the exact same effects. and yes if you extract for 20-30 mins using an entire lemon juice container (the little yellow ones they sell at publix), you will get practically 100% out of the cotton. in fact i'd even bet you'd get more out of it then if you just ate the cotton without extracting it. i remember a kid on here saying he ate the cotton once and didn't have very good effects, then he finally extracted it the next time he took it and the effects were "uncomfortable" for him.

for me, i find that i need 2 of the inhalers to get good effects. they are expensive tho at the store, but i hear you can find them online for like $3 each, so you may want to give that a try.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Eww i should have just stuck to caffeine, studying for genetics and ochem midterms and not going that well. Got a cotton , cut yellow part off,(about half cotton), capped it in 3 gelcaps. Didnt really produce motivation, just body and especially head tingling when taking a piss, and lightheadedness standing up. I feel like its gonna have a decent comedown too.
And the lavender burps are pretty nasty. If i ever try again it will be via plugging, although i'd rather just stick to caffeine. Also it worried me reading about brain stem changes in IV users.. pretty sure this stuff is way more neurotoxic than an equipotent adderal dose, but less functional and with a slew of negatives to go with it. Notice that my Heart rate fluctuates from 80's to 110, which is pretty strange. The only reason i took it was in hopes that it would not show in a drug test, which i may receive, although i couldnt find any definitive answers to whether it would cause a false amp positive. But after this experience i'd rather just be sober honestly, b/c i feel like tomorrow ill be quite unproductive.
Have promethazine and cyclobenzaprine for later if i cant sleep or if i have lots of muscle tension.
Vasoconstriction is pretty strong as well.. might have to down some l-arginine.
Cheers

 

[Korn3x]

^^
ya it's more scatter brained than adderall. fuck the gel caps and just do it like everyone else recommends--by extracting the substance with lemon juice. and if you didnt feel much then you didnt take enough. if you have any kind of amphetamine tolerance i recommend 2.

i use it to get boring work done. i use coffee for studying.

and the menthol burps aint that bad if you use a whole bottle of lemon juice to extract the substance in. i really don't see what people complain about..