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Opioids Defeating the new OC time release

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does washing the op's in acetone degrade or lower the % of Oxy hcl? if not multiple times will make the oc less gummy then yo could add your h2o to get your drink,shot or snoot. If it lowers the % available by evaporation its not going to e a two thumbs up deal when your finished. also i read b4 that blow drying will blow the Oxy powder every where just a thought...
 
Le_Messia said:
a playdoh like substance that is easily moldable when scraped up and balled with your fingers
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does this shit u scrape up hold oxy in it? you would think vinegar over time w/ a pulverized op stirred constantly would leave u with oxy h20 just the way it happens in your stomach.....?
 
Problem is that there are two different systems at work in these. The PEG 400 is what makes it hard to crush and then the hypromellose that causes it to gel. Acetone only works for the PEG part, the other part is the next challenge. LaMessi, did the material left over from the acetone solution taste bitter like oxycodone?
 
BHT is the hypromellose stuff i take it, it has to be the purdue site on the new pills states it and the fda doesnt think its that great of a idea due to it being a cancer causer, washing ithe pill powder over and over in the acetone will work but when i tried this method the gummy shit left over after the acetone evaporated had a little oxy taste to it, my friend thought that it was suppose to have the oxy hcl in it i read different and know its suppose to be in the pill matter still....then a h20 ext. to be done to further extract the oxy hcl.....for snorting it will be a tough bitch for that little of a reward...if your drinking it lemon juice it over night in a shot glass and have one ready or how many you want. (unless you arent drinking it) I find it to be wastefull to snoot em, i used to but.....i have eaten em in the past and the ydo kick your ass really well, never tried a op though.
 
The result of the acetone wash is definetly not oxycodone. and the leftover from the hot water wash is a dried goo that when scraped up, still retains its unchoppable/unsnortable qualities. while i can taste the oxycodone in the water residue it was unable to be filtered since the 40ml of water used was completley snot-like in texture thus clogging my filter
 
Has anyone actually gone and talked to their Doc's about the problem yet? Telling them that they don't think it's working as well and that their pain levels have gone up? If so what were the responses?
 
Damn so hot water didn't do the trick at all. I think an acetic acid or acetic anhydride wash would be the best option I can think of.
 
interesting shit i found....the new op may just be this difficult check it out

....FDA Advisory briefing on the reformulated oxycontin to make them more abuse resistant.
It would appear the most troublesome inactive would be the polyethylene oxide matrix.
To get these pills mostly clean (though not by any means 100% without laboratory conditions) I would start with a clod water extraction using very minimal amounts of water on the finely crushed pills. Then add two drops of hydrochloric acid
to the solution to make certain in stays acidic in the next step. Next do several washes with toluene, or in a pinch VM&P naptha, discarding the washes which will contain junk. Next perform and Acid/Base extraction on the remaining solution. Basing the h2o solution with NaOH until strongly basic. Once that is done extract the API with either toluene or VM&P, whichever one you used for the washes is the one that should be used for the extraction. Once the NP solvent has been separated off you can prepare a solution hydrochloric acid and water (or just buy muriatic and very slightly dilute some) and titrate your NP solution in a cosed container. Shake vigorously for several minutes or more to make sure all the NP has come in contact with the Hcl solution. Now separate off the h20/Hcl solution. You may want to repeat this step of titration, shaking, and separation more than once to minimize product loss. Once you have collected all your mother
liquid simply evaporate it at very low temps (too high with damage the desired compound and degrade it) and you will end up with quite pure Oxycodone Hcl crystals. Ready to be used in whatever manner you shoose.
I still don't recommend this if you have no chemistry experience though. You are probably better off sticking to eating or snorting them
 
Sir Paladin said:
Has anyone actually gone and talked to their Doc's about the problem yet? Telling them that they don't think it's working as well and that their pain levels have gone up? If so what were the responses?
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I did mention it, my doc really didn't have a response..he just said he would rather keep me at the same doses that I am on. ANYONE with a script doesn't have to suffer and try these experiments. I went to Walgreens and filled my script 2 days ago, I got the original OC's under the generic name Apotex. I am so happy to have my babies back LOL they grind down so easy with a hose clamp, pure powder..I really missed that taste of the oxy as it drips down my throat!!

What gets me is how 2 diff companies that I know of so far (Ethex and Apotex) can put out a generic OC, but they are the exact same OC's as the old Purdue's. Does that mean that Purdue is making the old formula for more than one generic company? They are getting "royalties" from multiple companies...damn they are smart...once everyone is able to just walk into any pharmacy and request the generics, Purdue's sales on the new formula are going to PLUMMET!!
 
LaMessia, if you kept the stuff i think it would be good to split it into 3 parts and try
3 different extractions. IPA being the first, acetic acid being the second, not sure on the third yet.
 
Mr. Muncheez I so wish those were around my area. I tried no joke 9 different walgreens. I think there are probably ten times the national average of oxy scripts in my area.
 
Ok i gave in and did 1 op 80 by itself about an hr ago. I used a splitter 2 get it into 8 pieces. I got a handful of bbq potato chips and a 24 oz bottle of orange crush pop. I ate each piece 1 by 1 with 1-2 potato chips. Before swallowing i let each piece sit on my bottom gums between tha teeth for roughly 1-1.5 minutes. I also took 2 tylenol as it gives oc a strength boost (idk why that is but it is. Ive been using tylenol 4 roughly a year with my ocs.) i feel really gud as of now.

I have a 3-5 80z a day habit. Yesterday and last nite i did 3 old 80z. I did tha op about 1-1.5 hrz ago. Although i luv snorting them im quite shockingly impressed that 1 op is is doing more than 3 oc were doing for me.

I hope this info will be read and tried b/c i myself dont have the chemistry knowledge or backround 2 afford to destroy even a qtr op 80 with acetone and mek. Ive been doin oc (and now op) since 2000 and mad heavy since 2008. I swear this method works! If it didnt i wuldnt be up 9:17am sharing this 411 with yall. Those who decide 2 try this method plz post your feedback. Thx and gud luck 2 everyone with their experiments.
 
The polyethylene is the peg400 I mentioned, and that is the component that makes it hard to
crush. It is easily removed with acetone (LaMessi confirmed this). The gelling agent is hydroxypropyl methy cellulose (hypromellose) and has been difficult thus far to defeat but headway is being made. This stuff is made by Dow chemical. It is insolvent in alcohol or chloroform. I am still looking for a way. Since this is all theoretical so far I can't unequivocally say
your method won't work, but the chemistry seems off. I read the
same FDA study, but came to different conclusion. For all I know it could be just the
ticket. Also, the study says there are simple extraction techniques that work so hopefully LaMessia will confirm or eliminate acetic acid and ipa.
 
I just found that hypromellose is soluble in some organic solvents, so the toluene propose might actually work (chloroform does not according to other info I found, too bad since I have access to it) with this info it seems a simple aqueous extraction might work whereas the water and organic solvent would seperate leaving oxy hcl in water. The
issue still is the hydrophilic nature of hypromellose. More study needed.
 
The end product looked like this:
http://i55.tinypic.com/20hvin4.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/33ojko6.jpg

The acetone definetly removes the agent that makes it difficult to crush up, what your left with is a dried up gum looking material. I ended up eating the material and it did not taste like oxy at all. I believe some of my OC was in the acetone wash possibly, and I couldnt distinguish the taste because I used the 100% acetone from walgreens thats cut with bittrex (denatonium benzonate)
 
Did u take a picture of the other part? So u think the acetone was a good first step?
I am reading more and more about the hypromellose, and what I am finding is if u heat up water and pour it on it, then cool the water, u should get complete (or close)
hydrolysis which should release the medication. It could only be eaten
at this point though.
 
this thread is retarded now.. anyone whos going to set up a fuckin extraction lab in their house just to do 80's is out of their tits. im predicting that perc 30's are going to rise up and take the place of 80's on the black market. either way, fuck it, the oxy party is over and it's time to move on. just my opinion.
 
Like I said, I cant be sure about the acetone containing any active content. After I washed with acetone, I added 40ml of 110C water to the residual, stirred, and let cool. It immediatly turned all my water into snot, which was unfilterable through lab grade filters. Im not sure how to remove the viscosity from the hot water wash, any help would be appreciated.

Although the polymers completly broke down when the water was added, once evaped and scraped back up then your left with what is shown in the pictures.

I ended up scraping up/ eating the entire lot of both washes and to be quite honest I didnt feel a thing. I used an 80mg and have a tolerance of about 20-30mg a day. So somewhere in this process I made a mistake, or Im just going about it in an incorrect fashion.

Questions? Comments?
 
.Lucid. said:
this thread is retarded now.. no ones going to set up a fuckin extraction lab in their house just to do 80's. im predicting that perc 30's are going to rise up and take the place of 80's on the black market. either way, fuck it, the oxy party is over and it's time to move on. just my opinion.
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Actually, Im quite willing to do whatever it takes to get this going. I have a pretty constant supply of the OP's 80mg for an extremley good price so testing them isnt an issue with me, I would like to see more ideas followed up with sources or cites so I know that we arent taking shots in the dark.

As it was mentioned by cvalero If i recall correctly that acetic acid would possibly be a proper solvent. If one could link me to, or explain how I could distill my acetic acid %28 into glacial or near glacial I'd be willing to try that as well.

Sorry lucid, but some of us are driven by our curiousities, while others are driven by doubt
 
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