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List of drugs used in MKULTRA

I personally had a friend around 1969 or 70 who ate 100 hits of Owsely White Lighting so he wouldn't get arrested. The cops suspected he had eaten some LSD and held him in custody just to fuck with him. He was never really the same, had to learn to talk and a lot of other things all over.
 
Interestingly enough, I have explored the MkUltra projects, at least what could be known, for many years beginning back in the 90s with the advent of the internet. Back then, declassified documents, white papers, etc., were available online for quite some time. These were items that were easier to find back then, often through P2P networks, where anything you could think of was uploaded and available to acquire. In many ways this was the golden age of information, before they completely co-opted and took control over the internet and scrubbed it of untold amounts of great information that also happened to be controversial, and certainly somewhat incriminating to the establishment, as it were.

I have hard drives full of information from all my exploits back then, and I am very glad that I did. Anyway, long story short, I have all of the MkUltra related documents that were released, as redacted as many of them were, which I considered a coup in that a), they have been mostly scrubbed from the internet, and b), there were many that were destroyed and of course never seen by the public. Everyone can speculate about why many were destroyed, but I don't think that it takes much of an imagination to sort out why some documents would never see the light of day. But anyway, I do have hundreds of pages of documents related to the MkUltra projects and sub-projects and will revisit them some time soon. From a historical point of view, I think it makes sense to look at these "projects" as a real low-water mark in terms of ethics (and in other ways), to say the very least. But this "research" has some rather dark implications by virtue of who engaged in it, why they were performed, and what the true objective(s) were behind this veil of "experimentation.."
 

Here is a huge collection, I’m not through the whole thing, but not much there so far.

@The Shadow Self
 


If you haven't seen this documentary I highly suggest it. It's high quality. I typically do not like when they put dramatized reenactments in documentaries, but these are well done and entertaining.

It's about the inception of MK ULTRA and how the CIA began testing LSD on it's own agents. It was given to Frank Olsen 1953 who was a bacteriologist working for the Army/CIA on very classified projects, whom after being dosed unwittingly either had a psychosis, nervous breakdown, or decided to defect from the project. He was considered a security risk because of how much he knew (beyond MK ULTRA), and was murdered by the CIA. It was framed as a suicide and decades later was revealed to be a murder.

Very interesting and entertaining show.
 

Here is a huge collection, I’m not through the whole thing, but not much there so far.

@The Shadow Self
I have hundreds if not thousands of pages. Hundreds, for sure. I do remember the Black Vault, though.
 
It's a nice story, but that's all it is, a story. Kesey was not only a fugitive from the FBI but served time in prison for weed (because they couldn't prosecute him on LSD as it was still legal). MK Ultra was real but the Merry Pranksters were not part of it. As a matter of fact he was blowing the MK Ultra group's cover, which is why they tried so hard to get him. The Pranksters knew that they were going to get busted in La Honda and even played cat and mouse with the DEA agents.

Yet, multiple sources* report that Kesey experimented with acid, mescaline and AMT (called IT-290 at the time) in paid $75 / session at Menlo Park Hospital.

* https://stanfordmag.org/contents/what-a-trip
The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test (Tom Wolf)


But then the Guinea pigs were like ooooh. Hey lets make some cool aid and invite The Airplane and Jerry and the boys over.

One of the most ironic plots ever on earth was when the CIA, while seeking mind control, inadvertently created the counter culture revolution and Jerry and the Boys spent thirty years making them pay, by turning on as many people as possible.

Want to hear god laugh.. tell her your plan.

Not if counterculture was the intended outcome.

This period made it possible to reformat society, by making a break with the past: break with the religion practiced until then, break with the traditional family, with the values transmitted. This probably allowed the consumer society to expand rapidly thereafter.

A lot of people from the counterculture eventually joined the establishment. People like Steward Brand played a big role in bringing computing to the mainstream. This tool (the computer), presented as the "new LSD" by some - including Tim Leary - did not allow the promised release, quite the contrary.
 
Yet, multiple sources* report that Kesey experimented with acid, mescaline, and AMT (called IT-290 at the time) in paid $75 / session at Menlo Park Hospital.

During that time there were more than one study involving LSD, assuming that the Menlo Park study was one of the MK ULTRA studies is not supported by any facts. Psychologists were studying LSD for use in curing alcoholism, for example.
I've read all the MK data dumps and there is absolutely no evidence to support this connection. If you can provide solid evidence, I'd love to see it. I was also quite close to people in that scene and it doesn't even come close to having "the ring of truth". The Merry Pranksters were very unpolitical. It was all about creating a new art form, not mind control.
 
I thought telepathine was supposed to he harmine/harmaline, but those are listed separately. Maybe it's some kind of Caapi extract?

But sodium is definitely the weirdest thing on the list, by far. Some close contenders are manganese chloride and calcium chloride :ROFLMAO:
If you're going to use me as a guinea pig at least have the decency to give me something I can get fucked up on.
you can absolutely fuck with someone/torture them by fucking with electrolytes.
 
That happened to a good friend of mine back in high school.

We were at a teen dance and afterwards a shit tonne of people went out to a field to drink. Allegedly someone had added alot of acid to his beer(unknowingly) and an 1 hour or so later he was just gone(I assumed home).

I didnt hear from him for months and he never did come back to school for well over a year.

I asked his cousin about him and he told me the story. He ended up hiding in his parents basement for a couple of months and wouldnt leave until they forced him into a psych ward.

Thankfully he bounced back and is somewhat normal now but he has severe PTSD and if that flares up ya gotta get the hell away from him as he gets violent.

Anyways, he told me the story and said it felt like weeks would pass of closed eye visuals and when they went away, he couldnt see colours at all. Also, to this day he cannot taste food. He has the weirdest diet ever now because he knows he has to eat, but has zero taste.

He will never leave an unattended drink anywhere now and still talks about how devastating the experience was some 25 years later.

Fuckin terrifying
happened to my mom. she also suffers lifelong PTSD. fuck people who dose other people without their knowledge/consent.
 
Not if counterculture was the intended outcome.

This period made it possible to reformat society, by making a break with the past: break with the religion practiced until then, break with the traditional family, with the values transmitted. This probably allowed the consumer society to expand rapidly thereafter.

A lot of people from the counterculture eventually joined the establishment. People like Steward Brand played a big role in bringing computing to the mainstream. This tool (the computer), presented as the "new LSD" by some - including Tim Leary - did not allow the promised release, quite the contrary.

I don’t think that reformatting society, in that way, was anything like what the CIA was looking for or if anyone had any idea it was even possible. I really don’t think anyone had a notion of it at all.

Sure many people came back to the “main stream” but it wasn’t the same stream they left.

Why do you think the CIA was looking to cause such a substantial fracture from traditional values? My take is that they would be the exact opposite.

Here is a decent NPR broadcast that explores mk history.

 
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During that time there were more than one study involving LSD, assuming that the Menlo Park study was one of the MK ULTRA studies is not supported by any facts. Psychologists were studying LSD for use in curing alcoholism, for example.
I've read all the MK data dumps and there is absolutely no evidence to support this connection. If you can provide solid evidence, I'd love to see it. I was also quite close to people in that scene and it doesn't even come close to having "the ring of truth". The Merry Pranksters were very unpolitical. It was all about creating a new art form, not mind control.

Although my post may not have been so clear, when you read it again you will see that I was mainly referring to the fact that Kesey had been paid to participate in a study and to be a guinea pig by ingesting certain psychedelics. It was to make the parallel with our time, where now there is no lack of people to buy and test a new unknown molecule. I think Tom Wolf knew that from talking to Kesey about it. In my opinion, the latter would not have accepted that something false was published about him. I wasn't claiming that Kesey was manipulated by MK Ultra, though I wouldn't be surprised if the agency was behind the Menlo Park experiment. In my opinion, few psychologists had in their possession at the same time LSD, mescaline and especially IT-290 (AMT). Moreover Vic Lovell, who would have invited KK to this experience, was from Stanford University (like Kesey I think). Until 1970, the Stanford Research Institute was not separate from the university. The SRI was based in Menlo Park and worked with army and CIA on different programs. The veterans hospital where Kesey had his experiment was also tied to Stanford University.

Why do you think the CIA was looking to cause such a substantial fracture from traditional values? My take is that they would be the exact opposite.

The destruction of roots / loss of landmarks makes an individual more malleable and therefore manipulable.
 
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Manipulating does not necessarily aim to weaken. It all depends on the goal. However, they smuggled cocaine into the USA in large quantities while aiding the Contras, causing a crack epidemic in some neighborhoods. Heroin trafficking has also been used to fund covert operations. So I guess that's acceptable collateral damage...
 
its really just hiring problems.. Amazon just got them in a pickle.. yes Amazon. Its cut throat out there these days.. I hope the MK crew gets dumped.. good lord that 70 year ivy league criminal super failure should have been dumped and shredded in the late 50's.

 
I was watching an interesting documentary which showed a list of drugs the CIA experiment with on people for mind control. I found it fascinating and many of these substances I found weird or confusing and thought about bringing it up.

For example one is "Carmine (narcotic)" which doesn't make any sense as to my knowledge carmine isn't even psychoactive let alone a narcotic.

Interesting point of discussion I think

I feel like this belongs in Drug Culture but I did want to discuss the drugs more than MKULTRA, so not sure.

I could not find this document anywhere online.


Very interesting Snafu👍👌👁️
 
Snafu in the Void said:
I was watching an interesting documentary which showed a list of drugs the CIA experiment with on people for mind control. I found it fascinating and many of these substances I found weird or confusing and thought about bringing it up.
For example one is "Carmine (narcotic)" which doesn't make any sense as to my knowledge carmine isn't even psychoactive let alone a narcotic.
Interesting point of discussion I think

Very interesting Snafu👍👌👁️
In those days (1960's) Law Enforcement Organizations often did not use proper scientific notation, likely to further demonize these substances; but also to umbrella these substances into the jurisdiction of the The Federal Bureau of Narcotics (DEA predecessor) . Notable was the term narcotic, which was used to label drugs that were clearly non-narcotic/opioids. That list included cocaine, LSD, amphetamines and cannabis, let alone some of the more exotic drugs on the list.

And journalists were happy to follow their lead and mislabled these substances as well.
 
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Manipulating does not necessarily aim to weaken. It all depends on the goal. However, they smuggled cocaine into the USA in large quantities while aiding the Contras, causing a crack epidemic in some neighborhoods. Heroin trafficking has also been used to fund covert operations. So I guess that's acceptable collateral damage...
Targeting a long targeted population, the poor and ethnic minorities. Creating the crack epidemic and then using the "war on drugs" to severely effect a target population over multiple generations. In blacks it effectively destroyed Amercica's strongest family unit, and viscously fragmenting their society over multiple generations. It would take amazing effort and leadership to rebound from such treatment.
 
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