Great to see this thread is still coming along well,
Has there been a general consensus on the thread topic and whether or not something has changed.
Last time I was active in this thread there was a discussion regarding the different isomers of mdma and how they can shift how the experience feels. A few theories were in discussion and some others were that people have simply lost the magic because mdma is just mdma at the end of the day and another interesting one was that the precursors have changed.
I'm personally in favour of the isomer ratios and the precursors used in the synthesis masking the real magic.
MDMA is no longer being mass produced with safrole since the treaty ban around a decade ago.
Would be interested to see where everyone's current thoughts are because I tried some mdma recently after not taking any for a few years and it was almost similar to what I was getting in the early 2000's. Definitely a lot better than what was circulating 2012-2015.
In another post I see that there was discussion regarding psychoactive impurities/byproducts that remain in the synthesis of the final product that can alter the experience, Why would it be so far fetched to believe that the isotopic variation could be the same causing a difference in psychoactive effects?Let's make something clear first. The small difference in the isotopic content of MDMA, or its precursors, will not make that psychoactive difference. The difference can be caused by some potent microcontaminant related to the petrochemical precursor or something specific to the synth method, which involves that type of precursor, but not the isotopic variation in the precursor itself.
Theoretically, the racemic 3,4-MDMA·• HCl made from a plant-based precursor should be chemically identical to the racemic 3,4-MDMA·• HCl made form a petro-precursor. Theoretically...
I hadn't consumed mdma in years until recently, I wanted to hug, kiss, touch caress everyone around me but I know it's still not the oldschool magic mdma. The dose I took was still absurd and my scatterday still felt different than what I remember. I experienced elevated heart rate, Mydrasis, Bruxism and elevated blood pressure.An experiment on virgin users or long-time abstinents would yield data, that could not be dismisses off-hand on the basis of tolerance buildup.
You'd have to sit in on this. If you do, please limit the dose to 1.5mg/kg of body weight on an empty stomach and dissolve it in orange juce for consumption (to eliminate the crystalline polymorph variance). Note the come up time and duration and severity of comedown.
Please pay attention to pupils (mydriasis), jaw (trismus) and heart rate (pulse) ...besides the psychoactive effects, of course.
Don't let them overheat or drink huge amounts of pure water...but I guess, you already know that.
2008 globally, Which coincides perfectly with the safrole treaty that was signed and the influx of piperazine flooded all the major markets in the world.When exactly has the crystal MehMDMA started to appear?
A very interesting statement that has some merit to it, When I consumed the mdma recently after a 2 year hiatus I was not long before injecting testosterone for bodybuilding purposes, My diet was clean (No refined sugars or Carbs) but getting back to the point supra-physiological doses of testosterone and below aromatise into estrogen for men hence the need for an aromatase inhibitor.personally I have felt no difference between being not on, and being on various forms of hormon BC and using mdma.
But then again every woman's body is different how it reacts on BC. I mean some would complain about mood swings, that I am sure involves some serotonin.
Is it a possibility for you to switch to non-hormonal BC and see if it effects your rolls?
When my mom when into the change they offered her a SSRI or estrogen replacement. It definitely points to the fact that estrogen affects serotonin in some or other ways.
Women tend to need less of mdma as well I have noticed. Could this be related that we have estrogen and men not?
It's certainly very interesting subject, I will want to learn more about it and please if you have info could you share this via private msg with me?
I feel like this is the answer, The answer has been in front of our face the whole time. The difficulty now is trying to prove this statement is correct. How can one obtain mdma derived from multiple synthesis routes to experiment with so see if there are any psychoactive differences (Extremely likely)old hive bee here, some bluelight user pointed me to this thread. Won't be around much but here my input that you might appreciate and therefore a start to work on.
It's called cooking remember? different cooking recipes and procedures results in different outcomes.
you can cook a nice chunk of meat in the microwave and then sear it with a blow torch, appearance and smell will be awesome, but taste and texture (the pleasure) won't be anywhere near as a proper, slow, oven cooked roast.
same goes for chemicals, certain routes just don't produce what's expected or it is of inferior quality.
Leuckart: high quality "MAGIC" mdma plus side products as mda, stimulating, best for clubbing, work intense/time consuming synth, medium high yielding depending on chemist experience
AL/Hg and NaBH4 reduction: best for cleanest "MAGIC" MDMA, milder than Leuckar but more intimacy and sensuality, psychedelic in it's way, work intense/time consuming, specially NaBH4, medium high yielding depending on chemist experience
Pt/Pd hydrogenation: worst product of all, this is your mehMDMA. Very little labour involved, high yielding, once the reaction is set it's just a matter of waiting for completion. Add this to the use of higher mass producing acids as tartaric or citric for the salting and here you have your 300 mg tablets that give the crappy, boring experience that is so common today.
Also: PMK synth has its weak points. In the Hive times people were experimenting with alternate routes to produce pmk from safrole, O2/Wacker was one of them, quickly abandoned because the resulting ketone was inferior and the amine derived from it was weaker and missing what makes mdma special.
So chinese PMK glicidate might be also partially responsible for the missing effects of today's crappy mdma.
So just to clear (or confuse) a bit further: magic and meh are actually the same substance from a formula point of view, that's why no test can detect or differentiate the one from the other.
Why the two produce so different effects? no idea, my experience in pharmacokinetics is very limited.
I do have some mdma I believe to be good, Definitely not the magic oldschool mdma we all remember but I'd be intrigued to see how it would stand up on a reagent test. As far as I'm aware it came from a small time chemist and this batch wasn't mass produced.@epic11
Are any of those batches meh? I know some people avoid mdma that just goes straight to black.
Reports from the 90s indicated and early 2000s indicate good product should go to a purple then to black.
Your right batch looks like it might be the type of mda/mdma. But going straight to black is common amongst people saying those batches are meh. In 2009 i tested some mdma and remeber it going through a colour change to purple darker purple then to black
Once again another opinion that solidifies the statement made regarding different synthesis routes. Something I'm still strongly in favour of.@Hilopsilo - My conclusions come from my research not what MDMA I’ve taken.. Mostly taken from the Hive, as this conversation is old as time. As the other old school bee basically confirmed what I’ve BEEN saying... I’ve described those effects before.
Even since the time of the Hive certain synthesis routes provided a reliable product everyone loved, others were lackluster. For example, as the other guy said ketone made from O2 Wacker often aminates to a weaker product than that made by Benzoquinone/PdCl2. This has been reported many times before. I suggest you do yourself some research and you’ll likely come to the same conclusions...
And believe it or not there may be some people in this conversation that have tried their hand at MDMA synthesis once or twice, not me of course but I’m sure some people in the distant past.
Also if we are to discount others festival observations then let’s throw yours out too.
i practice meditation daily which pays off when im doing combos and pushing myself to the edge of insanity so i can float downstream. been three days since i dropped i don't take 5htp on comedowns anymore but just a multi vitamin and trying to get rest in. I smelt the product i had this time was a bit of a root beer smell just light tan crystal that was more white when crushed up snorting kicked in within 15 minutes and a rush of love and rolling lasted for a good duration. I am certain the magic can never be lost even during abuse if the product is good enough it will hit you still.
MDMA was legal before 1985?
I wouldn't take it too personally. And besides if you really wanted to find out a quick google is how I got the information above.Thanks for answering back, guys.
Not a bad way to put it, if it wasn't for the crappy stuff having intensities that the good stuff doesn't have to the same extent, I'd chalk all this up to it just being less potent/weaker.We're not talking about a huge difference, Use a DMT breakthrough as an example. The mdma that currently is in circulation being mass produced by the Dutch feels like a DMT trip without the breakthrough. There's still entactogenic effects. Though the mdma we all remember and discuss openly here is like breaking through. You know it's a breakthrough experience once you've consumed it and post experience.
Everything feels different about it but when looking at it from a honest point of view there's not that much of a difference but you can most definitely differentiate the two.
Oldschool mdma= DMT breakthrough (Profound, Beautiful, Blissful and memorable)
Dutch mdma= Sub breakthrough dose and the effects are just toned down significantly
Found this https://www.researchgate.net/public...ethylamphetamine_in_clandestine_ecstasy_pillsIf someone wants to catch me up I’d love you for it lol. Otherwise I’ll get to reading it soon..