What is wrong with the MDMA available today?

[ThreePointCircle]

Just did Marquis on the spots to test to procedure. Here they are (second image with one extra drop of marquis between bottom two spots):

 

[ThreePointCircle]

I was thinking to myself that the second spot up maybe had a hint of green on the edge (before I looked at the chair I swear lol). So maybe MDA, MDMA, something, something? The second to the top was slightly more yellow than the top but they both have that rusty brown look.

 

[Glubrahnum]

I did have a brief look at filters and they seemed really expensive so I skipped.

Not really, See here.

Also, it is important to protect your eyes from the UV and this can be done with a clear polycarbonate sheet. Even cheap polycarbonate safety glasses will make a diffference, but if you can get a thicker sheet then get it
...just remember: Protect your eyes from the UV with polycarbonate. Do NOT protect the TLC plate from the UV ! (protect the plate from the visible light, though).

 

[epic11]

I appreciate all the time you've put into researching the history of production methods, but you surely cannot make that statement with even a shred of that certainty/confidence8)



Yeah, theres new information every now and then but at least 100 pages of this discussion makes the rest of the investigation look like complete lunacy. On one page we've got new information about a research chemical that could possible fool lab tests, thats available to us, and we could send it in to see if it fools a test, awesome!! Then the next page its about how because at a EDM festival it was observed that the asian people there, in general, looked extra fucked so they must have the good shit, and that we know of course asians have the good connections...

At some point I'll try and compile all the useful information, theories that we've already looked into, things we've ruled out, a set of concise hypotheses, etc...

On another note, do we have any reason to believe that trace amounts of heavy metals like mercury would have any affect whatsoever on the acute effects of MDMA? The effects of mercury toxicity are quite well documented

You speak of the data points about asians and festivals as if its not pertinent to the discussion. (correct me if im wrong, but thats the tone im reading) I actually believe it is. Its very very very clear to me when someone is on the good shit vs the meh shit. People do notice things in general, and it doesn't have to mean anything. We just noticed it.

 

[epic11]

@ThreePointCircle thanks for trying to attempt all this. Hopefully we learn something.

 

[Hilopsilo]

I appreciate all the time you've put into researching the history of production methods, but you surely cannot make that statement with even a shred of that certainty/confidence8)


Old bee reported it. And hive bees are the ones who make/made MDMA. They are the ones that developed routes and created new precoursers so yes old bee would know read the thread earlier

I read that, but they didn't provide any evidence, reasoning or data as to why one production method over the other produces a different product nor can G_Chem definitively connect a clandestine synthesis route to anything he's had in his possession with any certainty unless he literally made both batches himself and tried each multiple times at controlled doses.

I don't mean to be overly critical, I just want us to stay scientific and not get ahead of ourselves

You speak of the data points about asians and festivals as if its not pertinent to the discussion. I actually believe it is. Its very very very clear to me when someone is on the good shit vs the meh shit. People do notice things in general, and it doesn't have to mean anything. We just noticed it.

If it doesnt mean anything, which I dont think it does, then it really doesnt belong in the thread. Its just such a stretch to connect the visual appearance of a specific race under the influence of drugs, to that that race has the good connections. Just to be clear im not saying its discriminatory, i just think its a hilarious conclusion to come to. People watching at a brostep festival in America -> Asians really fucked up -> Asians have good connections -> Asians must know where the good shit is at. What are we supposed to do with that, start asking asian people where they get their MDMA?

All im saying is, if I met someone who wanted to know more about this issue, I wouldnt send them over to this thread cause shit like that makes us look like we're REALLY grasping at straws here

It can be sort of clear, i know what you mean, but I dont think it can be so clear from fleeting, purely visual observations in such a chaotic environment as a massive music festival who has taken what, its frivolous

 

[Hilopsilo]

About the RC available in canada/US that might fool tests, any reason to believe it would also fool reagents? Its gotta be able to fool all the tests for it to be much of a lead, fooling GCMS but not IR or reagent i think would have been noticed by now.

If i can figure out how to get my hands on it, I'll try the reagents and if it passes those, i'll bring it downtown to the IR, then if it passes that, send it to ecstasy data

 

[vash445]

About the RC available in canada/US that might fool tests, any reason to believe it would also fool reagents? Its gotta be able to fool all the tests for it to be much of a lead, fooling GCMS but not IR or reagent i think would have been noticed by now.

If i can figure out how to get my hands on it, I'll try the reagents and if it passes those, i'll bring it downtown to the IR, then if it passes that, send it to ecstasy data

Xtc data will come back MDMA.

You need a private lab.. I HAVE 1. WE have cosy NMR, PROTON etc. Polerimeters for entiomers etc. But i need both meh and magic multiple samples

 

[TripSitterNZ]

The only thing that wont be fooled is NMR and the numerous options on it then interpt so get a 3d picture of the molecule on paper.

 

[vash445]

MASS SPECTRAL AND CHROMATOGRAPHIC STUDIES ON A SERIES OF
REGIOISOMERS AND ISOBARIC DERIVATIVES RELATED TO
METHYLENEDIOXYMETHAMPHETAMINES

[PDF] Mass Spectral and Chromatographic Studies on a Series Of Regioisomers and Isobaric Derivatives Related to Methylenedioxymethamphetamines | Semantic Scholar

Semantic Scholar extracted view of "Mass Spectral and Chromatographic Studies on a Series Of Regioisomers and Isobaric Derivatives Related to Methylenedioxymethamphetamines" by T. Awad

www.semanticscholar.org

Very interesting

 

[epic11]

So I found something interesting after reviewing some notes I made.. IDK if any of you remember but at one point I was going to reagent test 20 or so batches of MDMA/MDA to see if I could see any patterns. I stopped about halfway through because I felt my reagents (particularly my marquis) were too old.

I stumbled upon the notes again and now having tried a batch of what I believed to be MehDMA I noticed something off.

All the other batches of MDMA I tested (which IMO were high quality batches completely in line with what I’d expect) reacted differently on Mandelin than this potential MehDMA batch.

All the other high quality batches, according to my notes, exhibit a green coloration before going dark. The MehDMA batch went dark blue/black, and apparently didn’t show any green. Interesting cuz this also the only ecstasy pill I’ve tried since like 2012 or so, all other batches are crystal.

I suggest people go and buy a Mandelin reagent. This could be another, better, clue in determining between good and bad batches.

-GC

Circling back to this, i meant to go test with this in mind. Just did. Left batch went black right away, right batch smoked, POTENTIALLY had the SMALLEST tinge of green for a millisecond, but quickly went black. It was VERY fast.

And here you go thread, actual images of some product.

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[vash445]

The only thing that wont be fooled is NMR and the numerous options on it then interpt so get a 3d picture of the molecule on paper.

I could VERY much do this if I get samples. And my friend won't get fired

 

[TripSitterNZ]

@epic11

Are any of those batches meh? I know some people avoid mdma that just goes straight to black.

Reports from the 90s indicated and early 2000s indicate good product should go to a purple then to black.

Your right batch looks like it might be the type of mda/mdma. But going straight to black is common amongst people saying those batches are meh. In 2009 i tested some mdma and remeber it going through a colour change to purple darker purple then to black

 

[indigoaura]

Field study is a "general method for collecting data about users, user needs, and product requirements that involves observation" (usabilitybok.org › field-study).

It is not irrelevant or racist to share observations gained through field study.

The crowd that showed observable signs of being on quality MDMA were easily 95% Asian. The crowd, overall, was not 95% Asian. Obviously, a variety of hypothesis could be made about this. Perhaps, due to genetics, this group is more impacted by the effects of MDMA, or perhaps they have access to different products. Observing the crowd, however, made me recall that the good MDMA I used to receive was brought into the city by the Asian mafia according to the seller.

I don't think it is "grasping at straws" to consider these observations and be further observant of articles etc. online that talk about drug busts, labs etc. We have already seen several articles that discuss synthesis routes as determined by precursor chemicals identified in drug busts. Perhaps an article will discuss Asian labs and synth routes, or a bust that involves the Asian mafia, or any number of possibilities that may allow for a connection between the group bringing the drug into the country, where the drug originated, and the common synthesis routes in that region. This may cast additional light on which synthesis routes are producing effective product.

 

[epic11]

@epic11

Are any of those batches meh? I know some people avoid mdma that just goes straight to black.

Reports from the 90s indicated and early 2000s indicate good product should go to a purple then to black.

Your right batch looks like it might be the type of mda/mdma. But going straight to black is common amongst people saying those batches are meh. In 2009 i tested some mdma and remeber it going through a colour change to purple darker purple then to black

I believe both of these batches are meh, but the MANDELIN ONLY test had a very slight difference in reactions. Like. VERY SLIGHT. One smoked, one didnt.

When people are speaking of "straight to black" about mdma, they usually are speaking of the marquis reagent. Not mandelin. The theory is....... straight to black on mandelin = not good. But usually straight to black on marquis = good. (marquis also has that the purple to black you were referencing generally on good mdma)

 

[epic11]

Field study is a "general method for collecting data about users, user needs, and product requirements that involves observation" (usabilitybok.org › field-study).

It is not irrelevant or racist to share observations gained through field study.

The crowd that showed observable signs of being on quality MDMA were easily 95% Asian. The crowd, overall, was not 95% Asian. Obviously, a variety of hypothesis could be made about this. Perhaps, due to genetics, this group is more impacted by the effects of MDMA, or perhaps they have access to different products. Observing the crowd, however, made me recall that the good MDMA I used to receive was brought into the city by the Asian mafia according to the seller.

I don't think it is "grasping at straws" to consider these observations and be further observant of articles etc. online that talk about drug busts, labs etc. We have already seen several articles that discuss synthesis routes as determined by precursor chemicals identified in drug busts. Perhaps an article will discuss Asian labs and synth routes, or a bust that involves the Asian mafia, or any number of possibilities that may allow for a connection between the group bringing the drug into the country, where the drug originated, and the common synthesis routes in that region. This may cast additional light on which synthesis routes are producing effective product.

Pretty much what i was thinking, and couldnt type it out. You are much better at words than I. Thanks for getting my thoughts down in response to Hilo. Field study! SCIENCE.

 

[indigoaura]

MASS SPECTRAL AND CHROMATOGRAPHIC STUDIES ON A SERIES OF
REGIOISOMERS AND ISOBARIC DERIVATIVES RELATED TO
METHYLENEDIOXYMETHAMPHETAMINES

[PDF] Mass Spectral and Chromatographic Studies on a Series Of Regioisomers and Isobaric Derivatives Related to Methylenedioxymethamphetamines | Semantic Scholar

Semantic Scholar extracted view of "Mass Spectral and Chromatographic Studies on a Series Of Regioisomers and Isobaric Derivatives Related to Methylenedioxymethamphetamines" by T. Awad

www.semanticscholar.org

Very interesting

We have discussed this article at length. The guy that wrote it (Tamer Awad) published several interesting, relevant articles.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I could VERY much do this if I get samples. And my friend won't get fired

Yeh, I could also test your samples with no friends getting fired. Just send them to me and I'll give you the results in about 12 hours time...

 

[indigoaura]

Other relevant Tamer Awad articles:

Chromatographic and Mass Spectral Studies on Methoxy Methyl Methamphetamines Related to 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine

Abstract. The methoxy methyl methamphetamines are a unique set of compounds having an isobaric relationship with the controlled drug substance 3,4-methylenediox

academic.oup.com

GC–MS studies on acylated derivatives of 3-methoxy-4-methyl- and 4-methoxy-3-methyl-phenethylamines: Regioisomers related to 3,4-MDMA

A series of side chain regioisomers of 3-methoxy-4-methyl- and 4-methoxy-4-methyl-phenethylamines have mass spectra essentially equivalent to the cont…

www.sciencedirect.com

 

[epic11]

Yeh, I could also test your samples with no friends getting fired. Just send them to me and I'll give you the results in about 12 hours time...

He would too. lmao.