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Just found this:
www.ecstasydata.org

DrugsData.org (was EcstasyData): Test Details : Result #1352 - Air Force One, 1352

DrugsData (EcstasyData) lab testing result
www.ecstasydata.org www.ecstasydata.org

So, that is the same press as the pills I referred to as "Stunners" in my log. The 1 with the three stars over it. I am pretty convinced Pink references the same pill when she says, "License plate says stunner, #1, superstar!" in her song "I'm Coming Up." The pills circulated my area with all three of those names (stunner, #1, superstar). The ones I had were pink, and they were the best pills. Consistent every time. I notice the total weight here is just 231 mg. Such a huuuuge difference from the weights going on today.
 
^^Looks ghetto as shit, but that’s kinda just how presses used to look I suppose lol.

Unfortunately though with inactive filler varying so much it’s hard to guess how much was in those. That said I remember average pills weighing around that back then. These days your average pill is a whopping .5g usually..

-GC
 
indigoaura said:
Just found this:
www.ecstasydata.org

DrugsData.org (was EcstasyData): Test Details : Result #1352 - Air Force One, 1352

DrugsData (EcstasyData) lab testing result
www.ecstasydata.org www.ecstasydata.org

So, that is the same press as the pills I referred to as "Stunners" in my log. The 1 with the three stars over it. I am pretty convinced Pink references the same pill when she says, "License plate says stunner, #1, superstar!" in her song "I'm Coming Up." The pills circulated my area with all three of those names (stunner, #1, superstar). The ones I had were pink, and they were the best pills. Consistent every time. I notice the total weight here is just 231 mg. Such a huuuuge difference from the weights going on today.
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pretty :)
 
^^That submission is interesting because it contains the same impurity indigoaura had reported when sent in some loose MDMA powder. Although that’s a 12 to 1 ratio, whereas hers was like 5 to 1 or 6 to 1.

That right there may show how purity is the biggest factor. Or the chemists got sloppy as time went on withbthat particular press.. (Both are equally feasible.)

-GC
 
Do any of you guys remember pink calis around 1999? Small circular pink pills with no stamp. Quite crumbly and trippy as fuck. Like a cross between psilocybin and MDMA. One of my most fondly remembered pills.
 
G_Chem said:
^^That submission is interesting because it contains the same impurity indigoaura had reported when sent in some loose MDMA powder. Although that’s a 12 to 1 ratio, whereas hers was like 5 to 1 or 6 to 1.

That right there may show how purity is the biggest factor. Or the chemists got sloppy as time went on withbthat particular press.. (Both are equally feasible.)

-GC
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They made these in blue and white. Interesting enough mine were a mix of both. Mostly white with a blue hue to it. I feel like i got the tail end of the batch, and it wasnt very strong. But these pure white ones were.
 
indigoaura said:
So, new approach maybe...?

Look for pills that have been tested already that are a low weight, with MDMA only as the result, and the smallest difference between the overall weight and the amount of MDMA. IE, there should not be 200 mg unaccounted for.
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that will be my strategy for sure.
 
indigoaura said:
Look for pills that have been tested already that are a low weight, with MDMA only as the result, and the smallest difference between the overall weight and the amount of MDMA. IE, there should not be 200 mg unaccounted for.
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...which means a low amount of contaminants. If I were you, I would opt for a low percentage of contaminants instead.

According to the Swiss, the percentage of contaminants in crystal MDMA was the highest between 2013 and 2014, but has been pretty low in recent years. So now we have a purer drug that requires 2x higher doses. Isn't that a paradox?

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Take a look at 2010 - the crystal MDMA percentage is the highest, the contaminant percentage is 0% ...so what is the remaining 6.8% ? Inert substances that are not considered contaminants? I don't think 6.8% of binder will hold a pill together mechanically.

P.S.
A percentage of MDMA base molecules, that is higher than 84.1% is impossible in MDMA hydrochloride due to stoichiometry, so these numbers must be relative to the hydrochloride salt.
 
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Glubrahnum said:
When exactly has the MehMDMA started to appear?
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Right before I stopped my MDMA use in 2005, there was a particular batch of pills which sound very much like Mehdma.

They were called- Mickey Mouse. White, smooth, solid, well made, scored, smallish and slightly domed.
It was a fitting name because they just weren't right and they struck me as being imitators or Mickey takers you could say.

They just came with so much less of the up particularly the euphoria musical appreciation and willingness to dance but they also came with more of the downside with a particularly harsher come down and general negative feeling.

At the exact same time I was taking absolutely fire MDMA pills and having the best effects and experiences so this was nothing to do with tolerance or magic but these Mickey Mouse pills just were not right and I never enjoyed them in anyway and would never see them out if that was all there was I would just have given up.

I believe that could have been Mehdma, aa early as late 2004 in fact they appeared.
 
G_Chem said:
^^Looks ghetto as shit, but that’s kinda just how presses used to look I suppose lol.

Unfortunately though with inactive filler varying so much it’s hard to guess how much was in those. That said I remember average pills weighing around that back then. These days your average pill is a whopping .5g usually..

-GC
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I was gonna say that No.1 looks like a very nice e, it brings back memories. Looks crumbly. Some just were, no way inferior to the hard, well made presses.

On the weights, it seems the ratios are still pretty in line. Twice as heavy pills, with generally twice as much MDMA in them, aside from all the arguments and suspicions about the actual drug.

It would be interesting if I could locate a load of reports on those white Mickey Mouses in 2005, and compare them to the other really high quality pills it will going around at the same time I almost swear they were Mehdma.

Edit- recent one here, that is more like it:
www.ecstasydata.org

DrugsData.org (was EcstasyData): Test Details : Result #7761 - Kein Logo, 7761 (m)

DrugsData (EcstasyData) lab testing result
www.ecstasydata.org www.ecstasydata.org

153 mg MDMA in a 221mg tablet.

Edit 2- not a single Mickey Mouse pill on ecstadata, actually containing MDMA. None matching my ones from that time anyway.
 
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G_Chem said:
As someone who’s been in the scene for awhile, I’ve watched the music and vibe go from one of love, hugs and good vibes to greed, hate, aggression, etc.. This isn’t jaded raver talking either, I still fully enjoy music and the scene today and actually prefer lots of the music I find today. It’s just it seems a negativity has begun to seep into even the relatively underground scene.

My theory on this is beyond bad MDMA though. That’s part of it, but I believe (talking conspiracies) that it’s a constructed effort to devalue and delegitimize the rave scene. Just like the beautiful hippie/classic rock culture was mutilated and destroyed, eventually becoming the hate filled metal scene over time.

Over the past decade eyes, pyramids, and owls have become symbols that permeate pretty much every single show and festival you can go to. I’ve always gone to smaller events, but even little festivals (100-3000 ppl sized) are overran with this shit. Whether you believe in some organization running the world or not, it gets old to constantly be bombarded with this imagery.

I’ve also caught artists (after using reverse playback) beginning to slip in really demonic phrases that you can only catch if you know what your listening to. Tracks often have blood curdling screams, terrorizing noises and just all around seem to be designed to induce anxiety in the listener. These artists also, IMO, are often not that great yet somehow rise fast in the scene and gain huge following.

Now I understand the difference between inducing anxiety and building hype in a track, the two are different IMO. The worst part is the same artists always talk love and good vibes but their actions don’t line up at all.

Also at the bigger festivals these days you’ll find presses and LSD blotter with this same symbolism. So much blotter with all seeing eye and pyramids on them... (Often they feel different too. Hard to say with placebo but more hedonistic and less inwardly.)

There is definitely the possibility of some foul play. Or coincidentally everyone happens to think this symbolism is “super cool” at the same relative time, and we’re seeing the result of that?

Weird world we live in..

-GC
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those pyramid blotters are voids made by evil south american lsd crystal laid by the mafia in europe it radiates pure fucking evil vibes when i touch that nasty dn shit that flooded the world. Every time i take that blotter its extremly satanic and not at all for the raising of consciousness. yet all the dumb kids praise it while true acid heads know it radiates pure evil and is a dark smudge on the scene saldy the brotherhood of eternal love isn't around anymore to wack the people pushing the mass produced evil no soul acid.

the same people behind the evil vibe acid are also the ones pushing all the md on the dn the eastern european mafias. Its all tainted with death blood and nasty vibes. Psychedelic and emphatogen drugs aint just about the chemistry its about the spiritual energy of the chemists making these substances as more and more immoral people took over the md production scene more of it lost it love. The magic love mdma comes from true holy men chemists who make it for the magic of mdma aswell.
 
Why would evil people focus on the DN business exclusively?
I would think that what you find there is just as likely to be contaminated or fake as any real world product.
 
Phobos said:
Why would evil people focus on the DN business exclusively?
I would think that what you find there is just as likely to be contaminated or fake as any real world product.
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Easy money and mass customers these huge crimminal gangs have access to alot of precursors in very poor eastern europe countries including the monopoly on ergot so the just mass produce for teens and adults that don't have good connections irl and soak up hundreds of millions to billions of dollars. They are also involved on the ground. Real medium small time hobby chemists supplying the market with md and acid dont go on the darknet they do it for their local area usually through the universities
 
I'm afraid that there is no hobby chemists anymore except for the ones producing for themselves.
And if you sell, you are a pro and not an hobbyist by definition.

All MDMA in EU is made large scale and a lot of it in the Netherlands.
Distribution through universities has not been significant lately, it is my experience that 14 year olds have no trouble procuring drugs IRL.
Please consider how PMA and PMMA where killing people before the DNMs existed.
 
Phobos said:
I'm afraid that there is no hobby chemists anymore except for the ones producing for themselves.
And if you sell, you are a pro and not an hobbyist by definition.

All MDMA in EU is made large scale and a lot of it in the Netherlands.
Distribution through universities has not been significant lately, it is my experience that 14 year olds have no trouble procuring drugs IRL.
Please consider how PMA and PMMA where killing people before the DNMs existed.
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There are still plenty of small time chemists graudating from college in other parts of the world and making small to medium scale batches to pay of their student loans. More true for graduate chemists who make a few grams of lsd as their right of passage during their phd. The best LSD always seem to be floating around universities or older folk. 14 year olds procure drugs from college students most of the time that would of gone to to their local high school

Im just saying the DNM is for mass production product and is no where as good as a proper rl connection. The mafias have control on most mdma production in europe they are bank rolling the tons of precousers from poland and eastern europe into the netherlands for production hub and the port of rotterdam. Also the lax laws in the netherlands means those getting caught making drugs spend very little time in prision making the reward to risk ratio amazing
 
Glubrahnum said:
When exactly has the MehMDMA started to appear?
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I encountered at first bad mdma in september 2009. in winter 2012 the first good pills appeared again (white mitsubishis, hello kitties, pacman ghosts to name few). so there was an issue for about 3 years, where one could only get crap and also pills that had almost no mdma in it. Spring/Summer 2015 problem was again till to this day but then with super dosed pills.
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me.and.emma said:
I encountered at first bad mdma in september 2009.
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That was the time of the plague when Ecstasy tablets were laced with piperazines (e.g. mCPP).

I meant to ask about the first appearance of crystalline MDMA powder, that required high doses, did not cause Mydriasis reliably and did not generate the typical psychoactive effects.
 
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Glubrahnum said:
That was the time of the plague when Ecstasy tablets laced with piperazines (e.g. mCPP).

I meant to ask about the first appearance of crystalline MDMA powder, that required high doses, did not cause Mydriasis reliably and did not generate the typical psychoactive effects.
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On a bigger scale, im gonna say around 2016 mid to late 2016 this became more apparent to me.
 
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