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If this problem genuinely boiled down to something so simple as the loss of Magic then this would have been been discussed and concluded decades ago.

It doesn't take 30 + years for somebody to lose the magic.
 
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There's a lot more info out there then just this one thread. I read the earlier entries when this started and most people agree with me. It's actually where I got the information from.
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There is a lot more info in this thread than the earlier entries. This thread has some of the best information about the question why different sessions with different batches MDMA are differently experienced. In other places, everyone just keeps repeating things like "losing the magic" and "set and setting". Here, over 132 pages, people have actually thought and discussed the subject at length. If you have another source of information with a similar amount of similarly useful info, please post it here for everyone to look at.

Here's an overview of the thread for you.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
There's a lot more info out there then just this one thread. I read the earlier entries when this started and most people agree with me. It's actually where I got the information from.
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Your OP, that caused you a lot of backlash, is info that would have been pretty staple in 2011. Its 2019 my friend. Lets get with the times. In 09-12, most pills actually WERE adulterated (mainly methylone, speed, and other RC's), and you used pillreports/edata and test kits to confirm what ones werent. So your original statement, is correct in an older sense. In 2019, we are speaking of the crazy amounts of mdma only pills and powders (LAB TESTED MDMA ONLY), that are doing literally everything mdma does, without big pupils or real empathy/love. Literally the "ecstasy" part is gone! Wake up my friend, you arent all knowing, and we been here a minute. :) Those who know, know.
 
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Your OP, that caused you a lot of backlash, is info that would have been pretty staple in 2011. Its 2019 my friend. Lets get with the times. In 09-12, most pills actually WERE adulterated (mainly methylone, speed, and other RC's), and you used pillreports/edata and test kits to confirm what ones werent. So your original statement, is correct in an older sense. In 2019, we are speaking of the crazy amounts of mdma only pills and powders (LAB TESTED MDMA ONLY), that are doing literally everything mdma does, without big pupils or real empathy/love. Literally the "ecstasy" part is gone! Wake up my friend, you arent all knowing, and we been here a minute. :) Those who know, know.
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I never claimed to be all-knowing lol! Thanks for the updated info :)
I imagine it also depends on where you live. For example, we don't even live on the same continent, which would explain the differences. It's possible what I say is true where I live and what you say is true where you live.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
I never claimed to be all-knowing lol! Thanks for the updated info :)
I imagine it also depends on where you live. For example, we don't even live on the same continent, which would explain the differences. It's possible what I say is true where I live and what you say is true where you live.
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Yes sure thing, and nobody is disputing or rebutting that but we are talking about the globe on the whole and the vast majority of people's experiences.

It is only the people who have experienced the genuine legit magic MDMA either recently or long ago, some of whom still have access to the genuine quality product and are able to observe unquestionable differences between the two sources, who are really going to be aware of this matter with so many current users arguably only having taken the inferior suspect MDMA with nothing to compare it to.
Certainly nobody is going to tell you that you do not get genuine legit MDMA yourself or that it is not very common in your particular area to come across adulterated MDMA pills containing other psychoactive substances and possibly little to no actual MDMA at all.

The issue here is much wider and does appear to be very genuine.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
I never claimed to be all-knowing lol! Thanks for the updated info :)
I imagine it also depends on where you live. For example, we don't even live on the same continent, which would explain the differences. It's possible what I say is true where I live and what you say is true where you live.
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You actions certainly seemed that way. "let me come into this 131 page thread and just hit them with the info they completely missed!" Ignorant. And im worldwide my friend, my location doesnt change this topic. The world is all interconnected now, and this topic now affects everyone, everywhere who enjoys mdma.
 
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You actions certainly seemed that way. "let me come into this 131 page thread and just hit them with the info they completely missed!" Ignorant. And im worldwide my friend, my location doesnt change this topic. The world is all interconnected now, and this topic now affects everyone, everywhere who enjoys mdma.
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Orrrr, I happened to see the thread in the recent activity bit - not seeing whether there was 1 reply or 1000 - and threw in what I know about the "MDMA" in my area.
You are NOT worldwide. You have not lived in every country and experiences every culture. Not even close. No way.
You are the only one who has said anything remotely insulting or arrogant.
 
I feel like the chemists who have made Magic know the answer and aren't about to give it up.
its a very exclusive product now.
 
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Haha, yeah- or Doesn't, shall we say? (Maybe in some cases- "think" they do)

Heck I'm pretty sure some even do. But then I guess that is the way of the world there are people who enjoy a hell of a lot of things I would not enjoy myself.

I mean, even those God awful modern movies I despise so much still draw an audience and sell millions of DVD's.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Orrrr, I happened to see the thread in the recent activity bit - not seeing whether there was 1 reply or 1000 - and threw in what I know about the "MDMA" in my area.
You are NOT worldwide. You have not lived in every country and experiences every culture. Not even close. No way.
You are the only one who has said anything remotely insulting or arrogant.
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We have reports from Australia, Europe and North America.
 
indigoaura said:
This whole conversation about Seroquel got me thinking about my birth control (centchroman) again. Did some new searches and stumbled upon this:




Am I reading this right that Centchroman increases MAO activity? Would this be enough to potentially interfere in serotonin levels while rolling?
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personally I have felt no difference between being not on, and being on various forms of hormon BC and using mdma.

But then again every woman's body is different how it reacts on BC. I mean some would complain about mood swings, that I am sure involves some serotonin.

Is it a possibility for you to switch to non-hormonal BC and see if it effects your rolls?

When my mom when into the change they offered her a SSRI or estrogen replacement. It definitely points to the fact that estrogen affects serotonin in some or other ways.

Women tend to need less of mdma as well I have noticed. Could this be related that we have estrogen and men not?

It's certainly very interesting subject, I will want to learn more about it and please if you have info could you share this via private msg with me?
 
The weird thing in all this is that I still find the MehDMA thoroughly enjoyable. Its strong, it gets me fucked and the body high is amazing. But I always end up feeling a little cheated because ultimately, it just sends me to sleep after a few hours. It's lacking the duration, the exhilaration and the whole EXPERIENCE of the good stuff. The good shit IS still out there, as many of us have confirmed. It just no longer seems to be the norm.

I fuckin love stimulant type drugs, and if I get fucked up I'll usually enjoy it. But I can tell the difference between a complete experience and one that is lacking. I had a ten year break between 2002, when I was still getting good pills for 2 quid a pop and 2012 when I scored some crystal for the first time. I took a solid dose expecting to be blown away and was left wondering "wtf was that?" I thought I was damaged. I thought my opiate addiction had ruined me. But eventually I found some that just 'did it' for me. That's when I realised it wasn't me, it was the drugs. Everybody knows good drugs when they find them, but it's just so easy to make excuses for those that aren't.

For me the meh stuff is all about a strong come up that gets nowhere, whereas the magic stuff provides a strong come up that breaks through to a complete experience. An analogy would be like coming up on mushrooms or acid but not actually having a trip.
 
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For me the meh stuff is all about a strong come up that gets nowhere, whereas the magic stuff provides a strong come up that breaks through to a complete experience. An analogy would be like coming up on mushrooms or acid but not actually having a trip.
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yep. And in BETWEEN mehdma experiences, i had a crazy magic one. Just to re-confirm your stance on "good drugs" Its out there for sure.
 
The magic effects of mdma give love on another level to anything only beaten by acid when you transcend the ego or dmt. I was watching some videos of australians that claimed they were on mdma in festvials yet not one of them had any pupil enlargement. When i do mdma my pupils are Full black that if i were to take a selfie you can clearly see the phone and room in the reflection of my eyes. When good presses are about i would always go back to the plug and buy as much as i could afford allowing me to have a stash for years of magic til i ran out and burnt my brain from doing them once to twice a week. Im a firm believer that you never lose the magic and its a myth sent around by those dickheads selling shitty as product. Alot of crystal product is quite suspect in NZ its a mda/mdma mix type vibe very speedy medium sized pupils not as much love but some is still there but not magic unconditional love hug everybody and tell them you love them 100 times a in a night mdma. Well i dont have other reagant kits to test other than marquis those who use to test their product since the early 2000s claim that over time the reactions to the final mdma take different colours changes. MDMA magic should induce a strong feeling of level 3 unity between you the enviroment and people around you with the music.
 
@me.and.emma I think birth control pills have the potential to shift the experience. I had a friend whose reactions abruptly changed when she switched birth control pills to Yasmin. She would roll so hard and crash so hard, and then she would get sick afterwards. She had always rolled hard, but the Yasmin just pushed it into a whole different category.

This article has an interesting explanation of hormones and MDMA: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/exkzj4/why-are-young-british-girls-dying-from-mdma

I don't think this is the answer to the MehDMA question, because obviously most of the reports are from males. But, I do think there is an interplay between hormones and the experience.
 
@TripSitterNZ Do you think the Shulgins would have perpetuated the idea of losing the magic to try to curb usage amongst young people? They widely reported that Ann lost the ability to feel the magic of the drug and never regained it.
 
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@TripSitterNZ Do you think the Shulgins would have perpetuated the idea of losing the magic to try to curb usage amongst young people? They widely reported that Ann lost the ability to feel the magic of the drug and never regained it.
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Yeah Ann and sasha knew the dangers of overuse of mdma and knew it would fry alot of college kids brains if they used it heavily. Ann was agains't recreational use of mdma she had a bunch of clients she would use mdma with in a psychotherapy and shadow work. The shulgins knew the psychotherauptic benefits in healing trauma with a mdma session and also understood the impact it would have if used to often.
 
Spent some time browsing around some of the new DW sites tonight. Wanted to check and see if I could find any pressed pills with doses actually in line with recommended MDMA doses. After browsing extensively, I only saw one listing that included pills with 120 mg (and that was out of my area). Everything else I saw was over 200 mg, with some even advertising 440 mg per pill. Most were in the 300 mg range. And the prices were very low, considering the dose. If vendors/chemists are assuming people will take 1/2 and then 1/2, then the prices should reflect that and basically be for two pills. That is not what I am seeing at all. It all just furthers this concept that they are expecting you to take the 440 mg pill and re-dose afterwards, as they are pricing the pills to allow people to buy multiple pills for one night.

It is just not right, and does not line up with published dose recommendations for MDMA at all. Nobody needs to take 440 mg of MDMA at once.
 
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