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My understanding of this subject is pretty limited, but from what Ive undestood, they killed Jesus cause he wasnt a murdering bigoted psychopath. Fucking hell.
Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?
I think the answer is is quite important as it would show us the cause/source of homosexuality.
If God, as believers think, then why is God creating gays?
Regards DL
Well normal.From fourth century A.D. The Church is part of big politic and big money.Even apostle Paul warns of that danger in his letters.Sounds like my best friend. Love that guy.
Bible has nothing to do with truth. Bible is as fabricated as fucking harry potter or some shit. Sadly, they chose whatever they wanted for the masses and here we are.
Well The Bible,just like testament cannot been read like a book.From that comes a problem and misunderpretation.Well...initially you read it like a book,but in fact its something more.Its a code.A secret knowledge,which is twisted by people over the time...and all the lost and burned gospels....what a lost. I Read the whole Bible two times from A to Z.Learn it or trying,asking monks if something not understand verywell.Yea their answers means nothingThere is not so great stories,but some are incredible-Psalms,Eklesiasts,Proverbs,Book of Jobe,Lammentations......very difficult to understand.Reading a sentence,which somehow attracts me over and over and thinking....what the hell is that?Gnosticism is a little beyond me as I dont believe in the creation story , dont believe that God invented man, dont believe there is an alternative supreme being either. The Jewish God is a bit of a misogynistic arsehole , a bit violent and doesn't really care too much about anything except people worshipping him. Who would bother?
Gnostics appear to be based on heretics who didn't recognise the church's authority and were allegedly early intellectuals. Not just believing in the existence of the God that society was ruled by and questioning the edict of what is sinful punishable yet natural instincts and behaviour seems like something most would do here.
Why would people really believe in a God which created everything and have some considered sinful, punishable by death for thousands of years?
Considering the impact organised religion has had on human society based on persecutions according to the bible, its a fair to think Christians who still base their morals on an out dated God would not be worth talking to.
Im an athiest so I dont care if someone thinks my official religion is dumb because...it is dumb.
Anyway, wish I hadn't read this thread, the guy is banned, fairly gutless sledging someone who can't respond.
@Xorkoth I am keen to continue an intelligent discussion and analysis of what Gnostic Christianity is (per OP) if you moderate (i.e. delete) all the off topic trolling or Lounge like posts - especially those that just double-down and have more of of a slag at Christians/Christianity. Otherwise I’ll just use my power as OP to delete the entire thread.
Unfortunately, that would leave this sub-forum a one-sided toxic no-go zone for people interested in intelligent discussion about the history of religions. Which I would have thought was a good topic for “Religion and Sprituality”.
@Xorkoth I am keen to continue an intelligent discussion and analysis of what Gnostic Christianity is (per OP) if you moderate (i.e. delete) all the off topic trolling or Lounge like posts - especially those that just double-down and have more of of a slag at Christians/Christianity. Otherwise I’ll just use my power as OP to delete the entire thread.
Unfortunately, that would leave this sub-forum a one-sided toxic no-go zone for people interested in intelligent discussion about the history of religions. Which I would have thought was a good topic for “Religion and Sprituality”.
Its a sad that we have only survive fragments of apocryph gospels.They pictured other,very deep nature of Jesus Christ.A different things connected with life and teachings of Jesus Christ.Those books were highly persecuted and burned after foundation of the Church,like institution.I thought Gnostic Christians were primarily non-believers in the literal and historical existence of Jesus but believed that “the Kingdom of Heaven” was within each of us as a higher self that could be achieved while on earth.
while some may deny the existence of Jesus, most Gnostic Christians saw him as a example of a real human being who had achieve gnosis (which literally translated from greek means knowledge). whether this is means he was the “som of god” seems to be much more disputed among the early Jewish Christians though i think. but few of them would deny that he was actually was a real person who had found gnosis in some form or another.I thought Gnostic Christians were primarily non-believers in the literal and historical existence of Jesus but believed that “the Kingdom of Heaven” was within each of us as a higher self that could be achieved while on earth.
Yes probably real person,a messiah,prophet.Well we are all sons and daughters of God.For muslim he was a real human and God's prophet.Catholics and Orthodox name it ipostasis of God,like a Son and third-The Holy Spirit.-Theres a Holy Trinity.When you read Genesis you will find many sentences,in which God talk for Him self like We,not I....Thats a two thousand years....a lot of timewhile some may deny the existence of Jesus, most Gnostic Christians saw him as a example of a real human being who had achieve gnosis (which literally translated from greek means knowledge). whether this is means he was the “som of god” seems to be much more disputed among the early Jewish Christians though i think. but few of them would deny that he was actually was a real person who had found gnosis in some form or another.
True that I am, assertive, not aggressive, although the less astute will only see aggression.While the poor fellow is on yet another temporary ban I thought I’d contribute to @gnostic Bishop’s evangelical one-man war on the world’s billion or so Christians by starting a thread to explain what he describes as the best religion ever invented - Gnosticism or Gnostic Christianity as it is sometimes called, although its links to Jesus Christ are not necessarily integral to it’s beliefs and practices. I’m kind of writing this out to get the facts straight in my own head, so I can argue better with old GB if/when they let him back in.
I am not a Christian myself and I do not go to church - so this isn’t personal justification. I just get irritated by people who use fake history, outright bullshit, and ideology to slander groups they hate on the internet. Feel free to add anything you additional information you like and correct any errors I make (there will likely be a few)
For the purposes of clarity, when I refer to ‘Christians’ in what follows I am talking about mainstream organised religions - not small independent non-denominational or evangelical churches/sects/missions such as you often find in the US. Christians here means essentially:
1. Early Christians - who were also often also Jews or Greeks of various religious and philosophical sects/groups - who began to form the proto-Catholic Church. This is the period of AD 33-AD 313 (when with the Edict of Milan, Emperor Constantine made Christianity officially legal and thereafter the de facto official religion of Rome.
2. The Catholic Church. Many people today forget or never knew that the ONLY Christians from the 2nd to 11th centuries were effectively ‘Roman’ Catholics. In the 11th Century the Great Schism occurred and the Eastern Orthodox Church split from the Roman Church. It is during this long period that the Roman Church debated doctrine and dogma and determined what was official and what was heresy. Consequently there were groups from to time time - sometimes backed by political power/kings etc - who called themselves Catholics/Christians but who held views that the offical Church did not endorse. These groups were either brought into the Church, expelled from Catholic regions, or occasionally imprisoned or executed.
3. Catholics Vs Protestants (beginning with Lutherans): in the Reformation during the 16th Century in Europe many groups abandoned Catholicism due to longstanding doctrinal and political concerns and denied Catholicism was the only legitimate form of Christianity. These groups eventually coalesced into the main Protestant churches (Presbyterian, Episcopal, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist and Wesleyan). This is effectively who I mean by modern-day Protestant Christians.
It is vitally important to recognise that making totalising claims about ‘Christians’ - such as GB does when he (endlessly) says “the Christian God is a genocidal homophobic misogynistic monster” is really pointless and intellectual barren. Christianity has ALWAYS been in a state of flux as it faces diverse ideas and either incorporates them or itself fractures along doctrinal lines forming new churches/factions/sects etc.
It is also vitally important to recognise that “Church” and “Christians” are not the same thing. The “Church” is the institutional body that controls doctrine and dogma. “Christians” are people who identify as being members of a Church but who accept and practice the rules of that Church to varying degrees. For example: the Catholic Church says contraception is a mortal sin, yet every Catholic woman I’ve ever fucked (and there are many) was on the pill. Similarly, Methodists are required to tithe 10 % of their income to their Church - but many do not and cheat on their tithing just like they do on their taxes.
Next Issue: Defining Gnosticism
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Not to everybody.Christianity means Love,Forgivness,Faith,Hope....but the Love came first.
Redemption found by using a scapegoat.despite redemption being the core of Christianity.
I am all in for being judged against the evil Christians.I just want to set the record straight on what Gnostic Christianity actually is and people can make up their own mind whether he is an exemplary representative of that faith system.
Goin to church man.or to whore if you want.Don't teach me about christianity.I was live in monastery.In orthodox.....in protestant(some kind)also.Have a nice day
This is not true as we hold no supernatural beliefs.while some may deny the existence of Jesus, most Gnostic Christians saw him as a example of a real human being who had achieve gnosis (which literally translated from greek means knowledge). whether this is means he was the “som of god” seems to be much more disputed among the early Jewish Christians though i think. but few of them would deny that he was actually was a real person who had found gnosis in some form or another.