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Will i see a decent government before i die?

Is it like £20 for a pack of £20 premium cigs now!?

Absolutely mental prices. :eek:

Also that fucking sneaky stealth tax, with the freezing of the personal tax allowance at £12,500 since 2021 I think, and that will now be frozen until 2031, and it affects all of us who earn more than 12.5k. Probably those of us earning around 20k will be most affected. The tax allowance used to go up about £500 or more every year, so if that hadn't been frozen, by now we'd probably all be earning our first 16k or so with no tax payable on it, and then only having to pay tax on the remaining 4 or 5k, considering the majority of people are only earning around 20k.

But instead those earning 20k, now have 8k of earnings to pay tax on, rather than what would have been just 4k had the allowance kept increasing as it always used to.

It's a fucking underhand and deviously sneaky way of doing things, where governments can say they haven't increased tax. The lying bastards have, they've just done it indirectly.

In effect our wages are now no longer rising in line with inflation, while obviously the costs of everything we need to buy are. So we are being screwed over, in the most sly and sneaky of ways.

The previous and current governments are a bunch of absolute C U next Tuesdays for pulling this move.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
But using your logic, surely the word "idiot" is just as bad as "retard", as they are both derogatory terms for people of limited intellectual capability.
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yes, and here we go balls deep into linguistics, history, culture, connotations that words carry over several eras of time and all that. It is dynamic culture and thus open to interpretation and we are doing our best to prevent people weaponizing these words or get carried into culture where these words are weaponized for whatever reason.

Idiot has also been medical term but it is much further back in time than anything related to retards and it has not been used seriously as medical term for ages.

Idiot is moreso nowadays used when referring to people who for some unexplainable reason do something stupid, often harming other people too. It is what people do when they can not explain it any better but need to judge it anyway. I could be called idiot because I have several dumb behaviour patterns and blind spots in my cognition, but that goes for everyone. It is often used for some purpose.

Intellectually disabled/handicapped then is medical term and does not even imply idiotic behaviour inherently. Intellectually disabled people can actually far exceed many idiots that roam this planet without diagnosis, when it comes to many areas of life. It is medical term so you need to ask more about it from some professional. It is sometimes really specific thing I think where people has issues.

Retard has become word that is used to refer to idiots, which is unfair to intellectually disabled people, because they are sometimes more capable than, say, most politicians.
 
ageingpartyfiend said:
One thing is that the 'ok-ness' of words/phrases etc changes so quickly that it's hard to keep up, which gets super tiring so people just kinda quit in the end and say whatever!
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This is so true.

But there is always a backlash.

You just need to look at the 80's, the first wave of 'political correctness' in my memory.

The whole decade became oppressive, unless you looked and thought in a governmental approved way. Hell, even Samantha Fox's tits were 'unapproved'.

Then came the 90's. Total backlash. The rise of good drugs, excellent music, the lad and ladette culture, and suddenly, life was fun again.

History repeats itself. There will definitely be a massive backlash to the utter bollocks promoted by self serving 'activists' in the next decade - Mark my words...
 
Ismene2 said:
Saw a bloke with a 2 million quid house raging that he will have to pay an extra 4 grand council tax if labour introduce a mansion tax.

2 million quid house and still these dickheads moan over 4 grand. Incredible.
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What did it cost when he bought it? It's entirely possible that he bought it for a reasonable sum 40 years ago and the price has spiked because of government policy, rather than any of his own actions. It's possible that he does not have much liquid cash despite living in a big house.

Do you propose that everyone who bought a house in London a few decades ago sells up and moves to the North East?
 
GulpingBatteryLiquid said:
What did it cost when he bought it? It's entirely possible that he bought it for a reasonable sum 40 years ago and the price has spiked because of government policy, rather than any of his own actions. It's possible that he does not have much liquid cash despite living in a big house.

Do you propose that everyone who bought a house in London a few decades ago sells up and moves to the North East?
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I don’t see why not tbh. If you can’t pay your bills you need to liquidate assets. That’s just capitalism. Pensioners have to sell their homes to fund nursing homes so I’m sure Tarquin in his 2M house can scrub up the cash somehow.
 
GulpingBatteryLiquid said:
What did it cost when he bought it? It's entirely possible that he bought it for a reasonable sum 40 years ago and the price has spiked because of government policy, rather than any of his own actions. It's possible that he does not have much liquid cash despite living in a big house.

Do you propose that everyone who bought a house in London a few decades ago sells up and moves to the North East?
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That might be the case in one out of every million people who own a 2 million quid house - I have NEVER seen that in real life tho.

99.999% will have half a dozen sports cars parked outside and be living like absolute kings. Increasing their council tax by a few grand would be like increasing my council tax by 5 pence a year. They wouldnt even notice.

All these "poor" people living in 2 million quid houses? I think its a myth rich people use to dodge a few quid in tax.
 
Ismene2 said:
That might be the case in one out of every million people who own a 2 million quid house - I have NEVER seen that in real life tho.

99.999% will have half a dozen sports cars parked outside and be living like absolute kings. Increasing their council tax by a few grand would be like increasing my council tax by 5 pence a year. They wouldnt even notice.

All these "poor" people living in 2 million quid houses? I think its a myth rich people use to dodge a few quid in tax.
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It's surprisingly common. The flat my dad had in the 70s would be worth millions now (Unfortunately he got rid of it decades ago lol)

There are huge portions of London where 7 figure houses are common, perhaps even the norm. Therefore pretty much everyone who has lived in those areas since the ~80s is an accidental millionaire.
 
Shambles said:
I don’t see why not tbh. If you can’t pay your bills you need to liquidate assets. That’s just capitalism. Pensioners have to sell their homes to fund nursing homes so I’m sure Tarquin in his 2M house can scrub up the cash somehow.
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It also boils my piss when I hear people complaining that they've had to dip into their savings to pay the gas bill or whatever.

Firstly, they're bleedin' lucky to have any savings at all.

Secondly, I thought that was the whole idea of savings - something to fall back on when times are hard, as opposed to something you accumulate and gloat over like Scrooge McDuck without fuckin spending any of it.

But you have to show sympathy to these people. Money is highly addictive, and the more you have, the more you want. This leads to an extremely high tolerance, where even the slightest suggestion of having a bit less brings on acute withdrawal symptoms.

I reckon these monkies (money junkies) should be treated like any other addicts - forced to accept an undesirable substitute, such as monopoly money, at an amount calculated to slightly diminish the cravings, then reduce that amount regularly with a view to achieving complete abstinence in the future.

Welcome to our world, cunts!!


(Edit: The biggest problem is that they don't even want to get clean...)
 
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GulpingBatteryLiquid said:
It's surprisingly common. The flat my dad had in the 70s would be worth millions now (Unfortunately he got rid of it decades ago lol)

There are huge portions of London where 7 figure houses are common, perhaps even the norm. Therefore pretty much everyone who has lived in those areas since the ~80s is an accidental millionaire.
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One in a million case tho. There's about as much chance of finding a poor person living in a 2 million quid house as there is of finding a multi-millionaire living in the next council house.

I think you'll find most people sitting on a 2 million quid house don't just sit there destitute too poor to turn the heatintg on. Long before that stage they figure something else out - like buy a 1 million quid house and put the other million in the bank. Simples.
 
Probably closer to one in five, I don't know, I don't think there is much data on this subject

Expecting people to leave communities that they've lived in for decades because government policy caused a spike in house prices is just spiteful and cruel. There's a massive difference between some slum landlord with 100 properties and somebody whose place of residence has become extremely valuable through no fault of their own
 
Nah - one in a million if that. Rarer than white dogshit. Its just some bullshit straw man - theres 3 million millionaires in the uk - and we're supposed to believe that every single one of them is a destitute sweet old granny who accidentally ended up with a 2 million quid house. Sat there too scared to put the second bar on the electric fire on.

So thats why we shouldnt tax any of them? Yeah right
 
You think it's a preposterous idea that some people purchased houses in London a few decades ago and stayed there? It's not exactly beyond the realms of possibility, is it?

This sort of frothing vitriol against anyone who isn't on the dole living in a cardboard box is not exactly helpful with regards to making left wing economic policies popular
 
GulpingBatteryLiquid said:
You think it's a preposterous idea that some people purchased houses in London a few decades ago and stayed there? It's not exactly beyond the realms of possibility, is it?

This sort of frothing vitriol against anyone who isn't on the dole living in a cardboard box is not exactly helpful with regards to making left wing economic policies popular
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No, but unless you have serious mental problems you dont sit in a 2 million quid house and starve right? You dont seriously think there's people sitting in 2 million quid houses who have been destitute for decades and unable to pay the heating? It simply isnt going to happen.

Just think it through logically - what kind of money do you need to maintain and pay the bills on a 2 million quid house? Do you think you could really live there if you didnt have 7 grand to your name?

No frothing here - just sayin if you have a 2 million quid house you can find 7 grand a year. Its like asking an average person for ten pence.
 
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Ismene2 said:
No, but unless you have serious mental problems you dont sit in a 2 million quid house and starve right? You dont seriously think there's people sitting in 2 million quid houses who have been destitute for decades and unable to pay the heating? It simply isnt going to happen.

No frothing here - just sayin if you have a 2 million quid house you can find 7 grand a year. Its like asking an average person for ten pence.
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My workplace moved last year. It was going to be a total disaster for people using public transport, so they issued six months of support.

Overhead someone saying 'well yeah, but what do we get?' despite her driving in from less than her previous distance.
 
A 2 million house in London could literally be a bedsit, it's not like all of these people are living in vast mansions, so the argument re energy expenses doesn't really check out

As I've said, it's entirely possible that somebody who lives in a two million pound house has paid it off and now lives on nothing other than the Old Age Pension, because the house was not worth two million when they purchased it, they purchased it decades ago when it was relatively cheap and they never sold it

If you want to tax "the rich" more then fine, that's another argument. But I see little benefit in going after people who are not rich other than the value of the house they actually live in. These people exist and I'm not sure why you're so sceptical that they do.
 
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