phr
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Koosh said:
Easiest way is to ask someone who's in the scene or a dealer. If you don't want to ask, for whatever reason, look up what's most common in your area. Most areas tend to have a dominant type.
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will i get addictive to heroin if i try it?
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Easiest way is to ask someone who's in the scene or a dealer. If you don't want to ask, for whatever reason, look up what's most common in your area. Most areas tend to have a dominant type.
HYDRO_CHRONIC
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heroin is the most over rated shit i have seen in my life ,if you like the way MORPHINE feels then you will like keroin ,that is the easiest way to describe i think
i think heroin is so abused because its is so fuckin easy to get ,i mean if there were dealers for oxycodone powder ,hydrocodone powder ,fent,and all the other good damn opiates then peopel would see how not so great heroin is ,
the best i have ever felt was back when i could get high off hydrocodone easy ,im talking 30 fucking MG's and i was on top of the world
when i do heroin and its not often any more i shoot it ,mainly cause its stronger than most common opiates around my area ,it has a good rush ,but the rush from OXYCODONE is way more intense,sure its shorter
my guess is you will do it and bhe like one of 3 things ,
1:whats the big deal about this shit,its just like other opiates to me sorta
2:damn i feel so relaxed and dont have a care in the world
3.BLEH BLEH BLEH..puking your guts out ,hot and sweaty ...and dizzy
the people who who get the affects of 2 are the ones who get addicted to it ,mostly cause either they have demons the need to escape or the have stuff they do not want to face......
personally i think people are predisposed(sp) to being addicts of any drug ,they just have to do it first,i shoot up heroin ,oxy ,hell i do most all NAME brand opiods/aites and my love is still alcohol ,although i have been sober for almost 2 years now ...i think about it every day
but like i said if all opiates in the world were as easy to get as heroin i think heroin sales would go down quite a bit.....
and i still prey they will come out with a HYDROcontin,and match the dose equal to that of oxy ,like oxy 80 ,then the would be like a hydrocontin 120....then i bet the oxy craze would fade a bit
i think heroin is so abused because its is so fuckin easy to get ,i mean if there were dealers for oxycodone powder ,hydrocodone powder ,fent,and all the other good damn opiates then peopel would see how not so great heroin is ,
the best i have ever felt was back when i could get high off hydrocodone easy ,im talking 30 fucking MG's and i was on top of the world
when i do heroin and its not often any more i shoot it ,mainly cause its stronger than most common opiates around my area ,it has a good rush ,but the rush from OXYCODONE is way more intense,sure its shorter
my guess is you will do it and bhe like one of 3 things ,
1:whats the big deal about this shit,its just like other opiates to me sorta
2:damn i feel so relaxed and dont have a care in the world
3.BLEH BLEH BLEH..puking your guts out ,hot and sweaty ...and dizzy
the people who who get the affects of 2 are the ones who get addicted to it ,mostly cause either they have demons the need to escape or the have stuff they do not want to face......
personally i think people are predisposed(sp) to being addicts of any drug ,they just have to do it first,i shoot up heroin ,oxy ,hell i do most all NAME brand opiods/aites and my love is still alcohol ,although i have been sober for almost 2 years now ...i think about it every day
but like i said if all opiates in the world were as easy to get as heroin i think heroin sales would go down quite a bit.....
and i still prey they will come out with a HYDROcontin,and match the dose equal to that of oxy ,like oxy 80 ,then the would be like a hydrocontin 120....then i bet the oxy craze would fade a bit
Beans
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HYDRO_CHRONIC said:
I don't see any reason why there should be a continuous release hydrocodone. The whole point of Vicodin/Lortab/Norco whatever is that they're schedule III. Unless it had only 15mg hydrocodone and a significant amount of something else (like apap), hydrocodone-contin would be schedule II. From a medical point of view, once you get into schedule II there are many other, better choices for long term pain relief. By the time your at the point where you need continuous release opiates for pain management, hydrocodone probably won't cut it.
HYDRO_CHRONIC
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um if they are prescribing 10mg OC's to ssomone then yea i say hydrocontin would be affective,i mean at the point of needing 10mg of ER oxy 2 7.5 hydros would do about the same deamn thing so why even give the 10mg oxy
and they would have the "benefit" of the apap on top of the hydro ...so i see some really rediculous crap i think
i said somthing like this before and a discussion ended in that yes a hydrocontin would be great ,not everyone can take oxy ,it make alot of people uneasy and unable to sleep ,or they get sick ,where they can take hydro and not have this happen
and they would have the "benefit" of the apap on top of the hydro ...so i see some really rediculous crap i think
i said somthing like this before and a discussion ended in that yes a hydrocontin would be great ,not everyone can take oxy ,it make alot of people uneasy and unable to sleep ,or they get sick ,where they can take hydro and not have this happen
InHerOwnWrite
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^^^
even wtihout physical addiction, it sucks when you've been "trying" heroin for a couple days and then go without it. the whole day feels shitty.
"i'm trying to cut back on the amount of times i 'try' heroin in a day."- the kids in the hall (that old canadian comedy show)
even wtihout physical addiction, it sucks when you've been "trying" heroin for a couple days and then go without it. the whole day feels shitty.
"i'm trying to cut back on the amount of times i 'try' heroin in a day."- the kids in the hall (that old canadian comedy show)
rachamim
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Yes, "snorting" [the correct word is "insufflating] is just as with any other powdered substajnce [liquuid works as well]...just like cocaine.
As for telling which type of heroin it is, for insufflation it is not paticularly relevant. If you live in North America it will either be tar or #4. Per the types, #1 is merely highly pure morphine and #2 is, as I mentioned I believe, a freebase. Freebase can be insufflated without any kind of treatment as your nasal mucous automatically will adjust the pH of the heroin.
HoffBomb: Are you aware that this site is a Harm Reduction site? Harm Reduction is a movement that believes one should be able to get unrestricted advice and education in a non-judgemental manner. The belief, proven actually, is that Harm Reuction lowers the risk of communicable diseases related to substance use as well as making substance much more safer. The fact is, people will do what people want to do, despite your moral judgement.
No substance is good or bad, its useage iswhat really determines its nature. Morality can not be legislated nor instilled. As the English proverb says, "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink." All Harm Reduction does is provide the best tools possible, the rest is up to the user.
Finally, heroin is a relatively safe substance when taken correctly, and when quality of the substance is ascertained.
You have never met a person who tried it just once? I would say you are either very, very young or just do not know a lot of users. I have met many, many people who have done so. I have also met people who can do it more than once and leave it alone without any problems. I have also met people who have used it once, like myself, and developed a lifelong love affait with it. You cannot predict the future.
Synchrojet: You raised a good point. I have left my iniatial paragraphs unedited to point this out. When asked if it is the same as insufflating a "line" of cocaine, almost ev erymore [myself obviously included] would assume that the author was asking about the mechanics of insufflation and/or the preperation of the powdered substance. However, were the author to instead be asking with reagrds to dosages, it could be a fatal snafu. I would like to thank you for taking the time to point out this very common sensical advice.
While your advice on initially trying heroin is very good, the best advice would be to instruct the person to first purify [not always feasible for people with absolutely no chemistry backgrounds] their heroin and then accurately weighing it [per digiscale of course]. then using a dosage table and administering it pitch perfect.
Phrozen: I would offer that the best advice is NOT to seek an education from a dealer or other expereinced user. Almost all users have no idea at all what they taking or putting into their body. Ask any user you know the very simple question fo what are the 5 main alkaloids in opium. The answer will probably be a blank stare. Better is to edicate one's self to the highest degree. You only live once [as so much as we know] and illicit usage is a very quick way to die.
Hydro: Heroin is abused because it is the easiet to get? Maybe where you are but the vast majority do not have that same situation. Furthermore, very few people will do a substance simply because it is easy to obtain. I had unrestricted access to both LSD and methamphetamine for years and after experimenting with them never had the slightest desire to touch either ever again. Almost all users [after their initial dose] put forth great effort in locating and obtaining their heroin. In fact, when I lived in America, there times when I would fly from Tampa [which until 1997 had almost no heroin at all, but is now one of the most heavily innundated locations in the States] to NYC just to buy a "brick" [NYC bundles are 10 bags, a "package" or NYC "brick" is 10 bundles]. A 100 bags would last most moderate users less than 14 days [lasted me almost always 5 days or less].
If instead you were talking about heroin as opposed to other opiates and opioids you might be correct [I would definitely go for demerol or dilaudid any day of the week]. However we will never know. I should add though, that as far as intensity you will be hard pressed to top heroin due to its
As for telling which type of heroin it is, for insufflation it is not paticularly relevant. If you live in North America it will either be tar or #4. Per the types, #1 is merely highly pure morphine and #2 is, as I mentioned I believe, a freebase. Freebase can be insufflated without any kind of treatment as your nasal mucous automatically will adjust the pH of the heroin.
HoffBomb: Are you aware that this site is a Harm Reduction site? Harm Reduction is a movement that believes one should be able to get unrestricted advice and education in a non-judgemental manner. The belief, proven actually, is that Harm Reuction lowers the risk of communicable diseases related to substance use as well as making substance much more safer. The fact is, people will do what people want to do, despite your moral judgement.
No substance is good or bad, its useage iswhat really determines its nature. Morality can not be legislated nor instilled. As the English proverb says, "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink." All Harm Reduction does is provide the best tools possible, the rest is up to the user.
Finally, heroin is a relatively safe substance when taken correctly, and when quality of the substance is ascertained.
You have never met a person who tried it just once? I would say you are either very, very young or just do not know a lot of users. I have met many, many people who have done so. I have also met people who can do it more than once and leave it alone without any problems. I have also met people who have used it once, like myself, and developed a lifelong love affait with it. You cannot predict the future.
Synchrojet: You raised a good point. I have left my iniatial paragraphs unedited to point this out. When asked if it is the same as insufflating a "line" of cocaine, almost ev erymore [myself obviously included] would assume that the author was asking about the mechanics of insufflation and/or the preperation of the powdered substance. However, were the author to instead be asking with reagrds to dosages, it could be a fatal snafu. I would like to thank you for taking the time to point out this very common sensical advice.
While your advice on initially trying heroin is very good, the best advice would be to instruct the person to first purify [not always feasible for people with absolutely no chemistry backgrounds] their heroin and then accurately weighing it [per digiscale of course]. then using a dosage table and administering it pitch perfect.
Phrozen: I would offer that the best advice is NOT to seek an education from a dealer or other expereinced user. Almost all users have no idea at all what they taking or putting into their body. Ask any user you know the very simple question fo what are the 5 main alkaloids in opium. The answer will probably be a blank stare. Better is to edicate one's self to the highest degree. You only live once [as so much as we know] and illicit usage is a very quick way to die.
Hydro: Heroin is abused because it is the easiet to get? Maybe where you are but the vast majority do not have that same situation. Furthermore, very few people will do a substance simply because it is easy to obtain. I had unrestricted access to both LSD and methamphetamine for years and after experimenting with them never had the slightest desire to touch either ever again. Almost all users [after their initial dose] put forth great effort in locating and obtaining their heroin. In fact, when I lived in America, there times when I would fly from Tampa [which until 1997 had almost no heroin at all, but is now one of the most heavily innundated locations in the States] to NYC just to buy a "brick" [NYC bundles are 10 bags, a "package" or NYC "brick" is 10 bundles]. A 100 bags would last most moderate users less than 14 days [lasted me almost always 5 days or less].
If instead you were talking about heroin as opposed to other opiates and opioids you might be correct [I would definitely go for demerol or dilaudid any day of the week]. However we will never know. I should add though, that as far as intensity you will be hard pressed to top heroin due to its
phr
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I assumed he was asking about what type of heroin he'd be getting in regards as to how to prepare and use it. He hasn't posted his location, and figured it was for a reason. That's why I didn't get into talking about what's most common in any given area. But you're right, if he's trying to insufflate it he shouldn't be running into many problems, unless he's maybe getting tar.
You're right though, most dealers and users do not know the technicalities of the substance they're moving/using. But, I would imagine that they'd know how to prepare and take it.
You're right though, most dealers and users do not know the technicalities of the substance they're moving/using. But, I would imagine that they'd know how to prepare and take it.
rachamim
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Phrozen: Sure they could show the author how to do it but that is only a tiny part of it. To put a potentially dangerous into your body without knowing much of anything is insane. It is like picking a half drinking can of pop out of the garbage and promptly drinking it.
Also, you probably already know but others might not, tar can be insufflated easily. You can "shebang" it by converting it to liquid and using an empty nose spray bottle or eye dropper. Or you can convert it to a powder.
Also, you probably already know but others might not, tar can be insufflated easily. You can "shebang" it by converting it to liquid and using an empty nose spray bottle or eye dropper. Or you can convert it to a powder.
fasteddie
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rachamim said:
Nahhh. Drinking somebody else's soda is merely unwise. Injecting some concoction of God-knows-what into your bloodstream is suicidal insanity.
I have little taste for heroin. My poison is MA. But, if I had, and all I could get was tar, I suppose I would plug it.
DustnRoses
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`pr0digy said:
this is how i feel. a few years ago i tried OC's and realized I really liked the buzz they gave me. Then I found out that smoking tar heroin was cheaper and a better high. I planned on doing it just "occasionally" but that didn't last. It's very dangerous, there's no doubt about it. Just be very careful.
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simply put ,yes heroin is good ,but its DIAcetyl MORPHINE (sp) ...you just end up with the morphine high ....and you need less mg for mg than regular morphine
i bet if people had a choice between OXYMORPHONE dealer and a heroin dealer i think the heroin dealer would have to push his product a lil more
heroin isnt abused just cause its easy to get ,it is CHEAPER than other opiates ,and alot of people are addicted to the damn routine of preparing it as well....
i know imnot the only one whohas thought ,witnessed this ,i mean jesuis oxy prices are rising and rising ,i mean people would be dub to pay $60 for an 80 instead of AT LEAST a half G of heroin where they would need less then a .1 or less to vget the same affect depending on quality
plus pharms are MORE pure and you DO KNOW THE potency ,if heroin came in pure pills ,or ready to inject vials that would be different...well its like that in across the water
i bet if people had a choice between OXYMORPHONE dealer and a heroin dealer i think the heroin dealer would have to push his product a lil more
heroin isnt abused just cause its easy to get ,it is CHEAPER than other opiates ,and alot of people are addicted to the damn routine of preparing it as well....
i know imnot the only one whohas thought ,witnessed this ,i mean jesuis oxy prices are rising and rising ,i mean people would be dub to pay $60 for an 80 instead of AT LEAST a half G of heroin where they would need less then a .1 or less to vget the same affect depending on quality
plus pharms are MORE pure and you DO KNOW THE potency ,if heroin came in pure pills ,or ready to inject vials that would be different...well its like that in across the water
phr
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fasteddie said:
So everyone who's ever iv'ed heroin was suicidally insane? Even with the unknown cuts, most deaths are caused by taking other substances on top of heroin or from od'ing. It's easy to avoid that by not mixing substances and properly dosing(which is fairly easy even with street dope). You're making it sound like every time someone uses they're playing russian roulette, which is not accurate.
absent minded
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i think trying heroin is like popping your cherry, or devirginizing yourself.. you can never go back really. you know how it is, how awesome it is, the instant gratification. i tried heroin for the first time a few months ago and ive been doing it at least every few days since (usually every day).. its easy to slip into that "junky" lifestyle dude especially if your friends are doing it and you have an easy cheap supply.. and in seattle we have a nifty thing called the needle exchange.. you bring in your used hypodermic needles for free new ones, and they give you ties, cookers, sterile water.. different types of needles (ones to muscle with, ones to hit the vein with.. and sterile alcohol pads. so yeah anywyas.. seattle is like the best place for a junky 
tar everywhere and a good needle exchange
tar everywhere and a good needle exchangeToxicFerret
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^^ I tried tar from seattle once when I was in town for a few days. It was okay, but I tend to dislike tar. However, to each his or her own. As far as a city being 'perfect' for junkies, I'd say the Chi is pretty rad. There's two large ghettos in different parts of the city, and in just any given square block there's probably four dealers for powder dope, at least in my experience. On top of that our powder dop is often that fire shit, and there's many dealers that operate out of places where a white boy like me doesn't look out of place. My guy's a block from my house, and I live in a reasonable area that's sadly being gentrified to death, but that means less heat from the cops so I suppose it isn't 100% bad.
absent minded said:i think trying heroin is like popping your cherry, or devirginizing yourself.. you can never go back really. you know how it is, how awesome it is, the instant gratification. i tried heroin for the first time a few months ago and ive been doing it at least every few days since (usually every day).. its easy to slip into that "junky" lifestyle dude especially if your friends are doing it and you have an easy cheap supply.. and in seattle we have a nifty thing called the needle exchange.. you bring in your used hypodermic needles for free new ones, and they give you ties, cookers, sterile water.. different types of needles (ones to muscle with, ones to hit the vein with.. and sterile alcohol pads. so yeah anywyas.. seattle is like the best place for a junky
the problem with saying the junkie ways are if my friends are doing it too, the problem with that... they think im stupid as shit if i try it... keep away... but i just have something inside me that wants to try it... i had the same thing with coke in feb when i first tried it, yeah i still do it... maybe once every 3-5 weeks... i never got hooked on that... same with whizz, tried that a couple of times... i love the buzz, but i don't do that daily.... well pills is different, i love the buzz and most of my friends drop so i do it quite often, maybe twice a week... 4-6 pills a night and then there is weed... i do do that daily... spend £10 a day on it, but that just helps me threw the day.
but yeah, i guess i answered other questions to... i don't have a addictive personality i guess... weed is the only think i guess im addicted to.
i will try it, i don't think i will right now as i just got in a new relationship and don't want to fuck that up... i fucked my last one up because i was out my nut every single day pilling... used to go threw around 80 pills a week.
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dude, if you can't even controll dropping E which has noticably horrendouse side effects then how are you going to controll something that makes you feel just as good, is cheaper, and has less bad side effects?
I am not trying to be offensive, but you are that kid with the obviously addictive personality who is in total denial of it.
I am not trying to be offensive, but you are that kid with the obviously addictive personality who is in total denial of it.