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Why do people do Salvia if its so spooky?

For some reason I think that alot of peoples preconception towards salvia greatly influences the experience. I have yet to know anyone in person who doesn't enjoy it.

My girlfriend just tried it for the first time, and percieved that she fell through the bed she was laying on, lost all contact with reality and became a member of a tribe, at the time of a ritual (perhaps shamanistic?). She experinced no fear, other than a jolt from the initial falling through the bed thing, and was overjoyed during her percieved ceremony with the tribe.

All I'm saying is is that some of you may have preconceptions that lead to you feeling this fear, and you should try to work on dropping them.
 
For some reason I think that alot of peoples preconception towards salvia greatly influences the experience. I have yet to know anyone in person who doesn't enjoy it.
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Not here. I was originally told it induces a psychedelic state for 5 minutes. Silly me, I didn't do the research. And I tried to like it, I really gave it a chance, but..

Oh, and I've met many people who dislike it. And these people definitely were not told information about the experience to bias their opinion. I also have met a few people who enjoy it. And yet more who are indifferent..
 
spooooooooooky!

{insert ghost}

it just is.
for some people the spook is outweighed by the amazing insight offered by its unique perspective, or its uniqe blend of psychoactiveness/dissociation..

others...not so much.

;)
 
i tell you what is spooky...

i noticed my typo~"uniqe"~and went back to change it...turns out it's spelt correctly...but the second "u" disappears in posting!
 
Salvia isn't only about "breaking through". I've found that in small amounts it is easy to "speak to your self" in a schizo way. The voices come from back form your head. Normally they command you to smoke more or get very arngry if you drop your bong etc. But you can learn to communicate with it.

Using ketamine and Salvia is great in small doses for long (hours long) monologues with your self and your mind. But you need to find the right dose.

With large doses + some strong dissocative everything gets amazing and no body load or anxiety etc. Everything feels like it should be and you just flow away. But you won't go into the fucked up salvia land but more like into the borders of it . The experience lasts for a much longer time

The only problem I've gotten is that I can't properly break through any more without the help of dissocatives. My tolerance jumped hugely the first time i tried it with DXM (which is the most intense trip of my life). Maybe I'm too afraid and resist the effect without dissocatives because of some pretty violent and painful journeys.

Maybe a short acting dissocative like nitrous would be perfect.
 
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the last time i did salvia i was sitting on my friends bed, we decided to smoke it out of my two foot bong so i packed the bowl and and took over half of it one hit. now i passed the bong and suddenly i was surrounded with cement up to my neck and if felt like i couldnt move.
 
For me all of my Salvia experiences have been stuck in a realm hallucinating my ego death but I never make it past that it just dieing or amnesia. Other substances like DMT will make me see my ego die for some moments but then I become free form that and move on to a great place but Salvia I am stuck in my ego death. I have learned a lot from salvia but most of the time it is not fun and it scares me.
 
I think with Salvia it is more of a patience game on not trying to control it. Just let it flow and see what happens. For me, less expectation generally garauntees better results...
 
personally i havent been able to just "let go" my body or mind wants to get up and fight it, i feel like im being pulled through some sort of machine and the sensation isnt comfterble. maybe i need a higher dose so that part of my mind that wants to fight it is subdued..
 
Magog said:
personally i havent been able to just "let go" my body or mind wants to get up and fight it, i feel like im being pulled through some sort of machine and the sensation isnt comfterble. maybe i need a higher dose so that part of my mind that wants to fight it is subdued..
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what i find is that the higher the dose, the longer a peaceful 'eye of the storm' period i have before falling into that evil machine. at any high dose, though, you're gonna fall into the machine, and have the weirdest re-entry into the real universe you've ever experienced

@OP, why take it even though it's so spooky? because it's pretty much the most intense drug you can get in terms completely of altering the very basic fundamental aspects of your consciousness. it's amazing, and for the next few days you try to piece together what happened, in a way that can be put into words (though you never succeed:()
 
I see it as a trust issue. You have to trust the experience and have faith that will be over soon enough. Than known, it is easier for me to let go and give in to the "vision". If that makes any sense.
 
Salvia (15x extract) was my first real psychedelic expirience. I just fell in a kind of dream. It was "spooky" but I would do it again. It's very interesting when everything melts, morphs, streches, turns around and your miserable life ends.
 
I've only done it a handful of times and have had at least one scary trip. I was physically starting to slip out of my body and not sure I was ready for wherever it wanted to take me. Other times I felt myself sort of blending into my bed. I'll do it again, but only when the time is right. Even though it's short, it has a powerful magical feel to it unlike anything else I've done. I prefer mystical to magical, in general.
 
max_freakout said:
block-universe-determinism is the logical implication of the 'ego-death' experience, the ego is the part of a human being which defines itself as an autonomous control agent, the 'death' is synonymous with the realization by the individual that he/she was never 'in control' in the first place, that the flow of events in the universe, including one's own stream of thoughts, is in fact controlled by a hidden control-agent, either deterministic causal 'necessity' or some cosmic divine force


Sorry i've been reading a lot of this site recently it is infecting my brain it makes a scary amount of sense 8o
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It's a very interesting site but seems biased on some points.
Unfortunately I don't have time to read it carefully right now
so I'm not sure if the assumptions are flawed (statements like
entheogens work but meditation doesn't, to trigger ego death;
and a few others that popped out) or if they are not flawed in
relation to the particular theory the writer is proposing.

Definitely worth another visit though. Thanks for sharing.

8)
 
I had done tons of research for months before trying Salvia, so I knew that no matter how much experience with psychadelics I had, and no matter how much I read about it, nothing could prepare me for the experience.

I had no idea.

For me, Salvia was terrifying in a (before the experience) totally inconceivable way. Each time I've done it it has been very unpleasant. The worst part is the feeling that your body is melding with the bed/chair/etc., the feeling that the fabric of reality is folding in on itself and you have no idea what's going on.

My brother, on the other hand, really enjoyed it. It was his first experience with a psychadelic (besides MDMA and maybe low-dose mushrooms) and he said it was a profound experience. I for the life of me cannot see how salvia can be at all enjoyable. People describe going places and encountering entities, but in my experience "place" and "thing" lose all meaning in salvia-space.... 8(
 
I've had bad experiences with salvia... where they did absolutely nothing but give me some muscle weakness and a strong body high. This happens every time i try it, no matter what the potency, or how much of it i use.
 
people do salvia because its like a haunted house yeah its scary but its very intersting and ghoulishly cool in a psychotic sort of way. yeah its disconcerting and kinda freaky but ive had no ther trip off any drug give me the total loss of identity or full immersion in the trip like salvia. its a must try if youre experienced in various other psychs, but def not for noobs. ive seen other entities and once even became the couch i was sitting in and and had reality ripped away from me. its very interesting but only as an oddity and not worth repeating more than a handful of times smoked. tincture is different and is much less visual but still is nonehteless. also its like totally insane but is so brief its the shortest trip besides nitrous i know of. but avoid abusing as it could mess with your perception of whats reality for a few hours, but id def recommended it for experimantation.
 
Salvia has never been spooky for me. It's a very personal experience. You don't really like to talk, you just think to yourself. My first time was with 4 of my good friends. We packed a bong with White Widow (thats the only time I've ever seen it in my area) and put what we thought was a hit on top, and repacked it everytime. I took in entirely too much and started hacking immediately. My vision split, and I thought it was the tears in my eyes, come to find out there weren't tears in my eyes. Then everything evolved into a sort of Mario-esque video game. It was a great experience. I'd say try it at least once. If you don't like the trip your having, just remember it will be over in 5-30 minutes.
 
Why is Salvia spooky? It was discovered by the chief executioner for Montezuma in a dream. A sprit from the underworld came and told him a plant had formed in the forest that was to tell the secret of the sacrifice victims last moment of life as the looked at them selves dieing and having their soul given to the underworld. This plant was so powerful only the chief magician was to collect it and take it to the mountains to stay in the secret gardens and to be tended by the chosen family of the sacred gardens. The spirit in the dream told him this plant is too powerful to live free it can conquer too much, too much power never let it out of the protective garden. For all the years this plant stayed in the garden until a man named Wesson broke the spell of the gardens and Salvia escaped. Salvia has made it to every continent in the world; the secret of the sacrifice victims people should have never been let out. No one knows for sure what Salvia has in her plans, why don’t you ask her?
 
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