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Why do people do Salvia if its so spooky?

My first salvia experience was terryfying, more frightening then anything I've experienced ever before. The rest have been great.

This may sound superstitious, but my experiences of my home grown, loving and reverentyl tended salvia were infinitely better, kinder and I appreciated them more deeply. That said, I find salvia more recreational then spiritua/usefull, as half the experiences leave me forgetting I'm on a adrug and have little interpersonal effects. The experiences are nonsenscical to say the least, though the fleeting glimpes of the salvia goddess/dude are very illumintaing. For pure spirit I choose DMT.
 
I definitely don't like salvia for recreational purposes, but I find it has deep spiritual forces behind it. If you take a serious look at Salvia trips, I can always find one bad event in the past that I need to do something to take the burden off me. Salvia definitely helps me deal with emotional problems by pointing out what really bugs me. Otherwise, I tend to push memories out and deal with their pain.
 
i smoke salvia to entirely blast away my ego for a good 10-15 minutes. i exhale and every association gets ripped away right infront of me. you sit in salvia space for an eternity and then slowly begin to put yourself back together. i'm able to let go no problem when it's happening, but i always get scared when i'm coming back. when i'm at that point where part of my association has returned, but not everything. i have learned a lot from Sally. i don't even smoke her much anymore. maybe once every month or two.
 
Because - a breakthrough Salvia experience is ..................................................................

a great experience for those with control issues 8o

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salvia can be really scary or really enjoyable , just depends on the setting at the time i suppose
 
Bare_head said:
salvia can be really scary or really enjoyable , just depends on the setting at the time i suppose
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i think the key factor that decides scary/enjoyable is the ability of the individual not to 'fight' the experience, once you are in a salvia breakthrough and the thought occurs to you something like "oh shit this is too much i need to get out of here" then it is a pure nightmare until it's over, if you can suppress that urge and just go with it then it isn't scary but rather beautiful and transcendent

so it's all a question of a person's ability to let go of the illusion of 'control' when the salvia trip presents the unmistakable fact of block-universe determinism to you
 
^ Not exactly sure what you mean by 'unmistakable fact of block-universe determinism' but agree 100% that the last thing you want to do is try and fight it - the feeling of being pulled back into Salvia-land as you trya nad pull yourself out is not a pleasant one.

The thing with smoked Salvia is to take time and prepare yourself well beforehand, reminding yourself that, whatever happens, the experience will only last a few minutes, so that when you're in Salvia-land and it's getting uncomfortable, there's a mental imprint of 'I will be out of this shortly' near at hand, as it were - does that make any sense? :\
 
What makes salvia spooky for me is it takes me to bizarre realms with random bizarre entities dark and unknown. I never could get over the feeling of a presence, I would tell my self I know it’s all a reflection of me but that presence feeling is so strong. The history is dark and unknown also, no one knows where it came from It was found in a few Mazateca shamans gardens and has never been found wild. The Mazateca Indians have a spooky dark unknown history, the worship of the snake gods and the underworld. Salvia has taught me many lessons but it still scares me it can be a pleasant ride or it can evoke inner demons one must overcome. On thing Salvia has taught me lately is it is not about the answer to the mystery it is about what I can learn on the way trying to unravel the mystery. A lot of it might have to do with fear of the unknown.
 
Fishface said:
^ Not exactly sure what you mean by 'unmistakable fact of block-universe determinism' but agree 100% that the last thing you want to do is try and fight it - the feeling of being pulled back into Salvia-land as you trya nad pull yourself out is not a pleasant one.
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block-universe-determinism is the logical implication of the 'ego-death' experience, the ego is the part of a human being which defines itself as an autonomous control agent, the 'death' is synonymous with the realization by the individual that he/she was never 'in control' in the first place, that the flow of events in the universe, including one's own stream of thoughts, is in fact controlled by a hidden control-agent, either deterministic causal 'necessity' or some cosmic divine force


Sorry i've been reading a lot of this site recently it is infecting my brain it makes a scary amount of sense 8o
 
Fishface said:
The thing with smoked Salvia is to take time and prepare yourself well beforehand, reminding yourself that, whatever happens, the experience will only last a few minutes, so that when you're in Salvia-land and it's getting uncomfortable, there's a mental imprint of 'I will be out of this shortly' near at hand, as it were - does that make any sense? :\
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^ I find that to be very effective in combating anxiety and pure terror of a salvia trip. Going with the flow, explore the surroundings and know that no one is out to get you, can make the trip far more enjoyable. Its hard not to wander around and do silly things on it without realising it though. A few beers beforehand calms me down, and a correct mindset. No weed before! That really trips me out even more, I have found. 8(
 
socko said:
it's spooky because it shows you the Real World. Salvia and other psychedelics are the gateway to the real World. During those15 horrible seconds when you trip, you are shown the ultimate Truth --that the salvia/psychedelic world is the read World, and this earth-world is only a dream and you've been dreaming all this time.. On salvia, you finally wake up and see the true Real World. Where you are then and how you feel in the Real World is the way you've always been and always will be/feel/reside after you die. This truth is so horrible and unbearable that we shut it out of our minds as soon as we come down. After each time you smoke salvia, you're only left with a few fragmented memories of the REal World and a vaguely remembered creepy feeling.
After you Break Through, U SEE and then youknow. Once yuou Know, U CAN NEVER NOT KNOW!
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This is why you shouldn't do salvia..it makes some people go a little loony
 
The truth about what goes on with a Salvia trip to ME is one of two things...
Especially with the eerie "I have always been here" familiarity I get from it.
Either it is a deep swim within our unconcious, or it is something that wires us into the core of what we as a civilisation are or... come from.
I think it is the former with a dash of the latter. But then again, what the fuck do I know. I am merely human after all...
 
Why do people go parachuting? It's not something on my to do list; but apparently alot of people love it. And you can very well die doing that. Salvia is intense- and weird. That's why some people like it; and also why some people don't. That's the beauty of it I guess.
 
I'm surprised that so many people have panic reactions of salvia, or that they find it frightening. While I don't find it particularly euphoric, it does not have any anxiolytic properties either. I am usually either dissapointed by a sub-breakthrough dose or too altered to experience anything such as fear.
 
The only person I saw who enjoyed salvia immensely was a guy who people thought was twisted to begin with.

I honestly just can't handle the absurd depictions of the universe, and the clammy sweating. Not appealing to me whatsoever.
 
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