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Why do GOV do not Legalize Ectstasy?

AuraithX said:
^Everyone picks Heroin as that is the most demonzided drug, and would require the most cultural change in order to be accepted.
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Ice is such a dirty word where I live that most people including health professionals would much rather see heroin back in fashion.
 
I have seen severely negative effects of mdma as well as positive. Though it may have it's therapeutic attributes, it can be harmful and addictive. I believe this is why the government doesn't want it sold next to the asprin and tylenol at Walmart. Should it be used for research and possibly prescribed as medication? I believe there could be much to gain by increasing our awareness of what the drug does.
 
I completely agree with increasing the awareness that surrounds mdma. I think that the government should make it less difficult for research to be done. Mdma has medicinal value as well as recreational value.

There are other perfectly legal drugs that are both harmful and addictive, alcohol is the age old example.

I think that restraints would have to be put on mdma usage so that children and teenagers weren't able to just go to the store to pick up the drug.
 
^ what do you think about old people being allowed to use ecstasy recreationally?

more of a devil's advocate question than anything, but the argument could easily be made that the drug is more harmful to an old person's body than it is to a teenager in the prime of their life :)
 
I think that senior citizens should be able to use if that's what they want to do.
They are consenting adults, as is a 30 year old for example. As long as you are over the stated legal age I don't think you should be excluded from using.
 
so how do we set the age limit for who we allow to purchase a newly available recreational drug? Europe has decided that 16 is the right age to be able to by alcohol (beer) and even in the US we have different age limits for differents legal drugs.

is the decision based off of brain development? determined maturity? age ranges of peer groups?




how old is romeo? :)
 
I think strict regulation is exactly what would be needed in a legal drug market. I liked the suggestion of drug education and then some sort of permit allowing you to buy X, Y or Z. I've even joked with friends about literally having a 'drug store' where you would go to pick up whatever you wanted.
 
Bauer095 said:
^ what do you think about old people being allowed to use ecstasy recreationally?

more of a devil's advocate question than anything, but the argument could easily be made that the drug is more harmful to an old person's body than it is to a teenager in the prime of their life :)
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I'dve thought the argument would've worked the other way. A young person is more vulnerable to brain damage and if there are long-term effects they will experience them. If you start dropping E at 50 and it takes 35 years to feel the effects you'll likely be dead first.
 
jonniee said:
I have seen severely negative effects of mdma as well as positive. Though it may have it's therapeutic attributes, it can be harmful and addictive. .
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Addictive? No- It really is self-regulating in that sense.

Here's a quote from maps.org

"Ecstasy" use has not surfaced as a significant problem because there are properties of MDMA itself that contain its use. Respondents reported that frequent use of MDMA almost invariably produces a strong dysphoric reaction that is only exacerbated with continued use. Many respondents described how too frequent use resulted in an increasing number of unpleasant aftereffects (i.e., muscular tension, particularly in the jaw, and anxiety), coupled with an almost total loss of desired effects. These effects occurred with greater rapidity than those experienced with other more commonly abused substances such as cocaine. Unlike classic addictive drugs such as opiates, increasing the dose of MDMA after a tolerance has built up will not result in desired effects. Therefore, although some individuals use MDMA frequently at the beginning, they eventually taper their use in order to derive the maximum benefit
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Well I'm not gonna write an essay like some of you, just cos I cant :p

Personaly I think PURPLEFIREFLY has coved everything that I agree with.

All Drugs should be legalised... why:

1) you can regulate quality and dose
2) addicts can seek help without feeling descrimination from society
3) I think they will be harder to get for under age kids... the only people that would sell/buy drugs for a minor are chavy arse holes that do it now any way.

How ever I dont think It will happen for a long time because:

1) Gov's make to much money from fines and golden hand shakes
2) Public understanding or lack off

Bauer095- where in europ can you buy beer at 16? you sertainly cant in the UK, legaly!

The age should be that as what it is for alcohol in the repective contry, your old enough to get drunk then your old enough to take other drugs (given booz is in the top 5)... Personaly I disagree with this... I alway laughed at the US for having the drinking age at 21 but I'm starting to understand why IMO. A good 70% of brits IMO are not matur enough to drunk sensibly. Sorry but too many 18yos go out at the week end and get smashed to the point they are ill... there are plenty at 21 as well but not as many.

Also brain development and personality development has not compleatly finished till your in your 20s IMO. I have alway considered my self to be matur for my age and have always been involved in adult coversations from a young age (not that i understood much at the time) how ever I feel that it was only as I entered my 20's that I started to understand myself and the world. It is a key factor understanding your self in resposible drug use but also in the prevention of mental health issues, depression more than anything.

The only way to get round miss use is to EDUCATE people.

...this has turned into the essay i didnt want to write but hey....

The only reason I am a resposible drinker (IMO) is because my Mum started me on it at a young age... this built up a tolerenc and understanding of what drink did to my body so I knew when enough was enough. Most parents dont do this IMO and thus kids hit the cyder at the first opertunity and get train recked.

You are always going to have the fools that do to much... but educating people and restricting use to an older age (eg 21) will result in nothing but poitive out comes IMO

(I hope this all makes sence as I writen it in dribs and drabs)
 
ScattyD said:
Bauer095- where in europ can you buy beer at 16? you sertainly cant in the UK, legaly!
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Austria, Belguim, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Switzerland to name a few.
 
A few European countries have staggered systems for the purchase of alcohol from what I understand. Beer at some age, followed by wine and finally hard spirits.
Scatty - I agree that ability to obtain drugs should be related to total physical/developmental growth. Although this does vary, I think a nice solution would be found in the event that drugs are legalised.
 
because people would think too much, and would find things out that could change the way many people look at the world. revolutionize so to speak
 
Bauer095 said:
so how do we set the age limit for who we allow to purchase a newly available recreational drug? Europe has decided that 16 is the right age to be able to by alcohol (beer) and even in the US we have different age limits for differents legal drugs.

is the decision based off of brain development? determined maturity? age ranges of peer groups?




how old is romeo? :)
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Tough question.

There are going to be people who are reckless, no matter what age you determine the minimum age to be. So I think the age to which you would be able to purchase "newly legalized drugs" should be that of the general consensus of the country itself. If the "age of maturity" in a particular country is 18, then anyone 18 or older should be able to purchase the drug for example.

I'm also curious if you could explain further on your comment regarding different minimum age for usage on different legal drugs.
 
You could apply your statement to every drug. Many people think CANNABIS sould be legal but its not. I could think of a million drugs I'd rather have legal than alcohol. Its just the way our Society is. Its not easy to just change people's view on certain drugs. I think you should look into what amphetamines can do to people.
 
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I am going to play devils advocate here ;)

What does alcohol do to your body? Is alcohol really a lot better than doing meth if you are an alcoholic? Both drugs have the potential to be quite damaging, so why choose alcohol?

The uneducated opinion of the masses should not determine the legality of a drug. I think it's extremely important for the government to allow research to be done on these drugs. It's important for people to be educated regardless of the legality.
 
I'm also curious if you could explain further on your comment regarding different minimum age for usage on different legal drugs.
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I was talking about how in the US the drinking age is 21--same for decriminalized marijuana in Denver--while 18 year olds are allowed to buy tobacco. The same goes for gambling, not really a drug so to speak but a "vice", and the legal age ranges from 18-21 in different parts of the States.
 
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