Why do GOV do not Legalize Ectstasy?

[AuraithX]

Didn't a scandenavian (or another country around that general area) country trial legalising herion? you went to your doc, said your a junkie and got a prescription for it. Every morning on the way to work/school/whatever you'd go get your hit.

You can do that in Britain, you need to be able to proove that rehab doesn't work for you though.

 

[motorcyclist]

And think about how easy dumb teens could get addicting and destructive drugs. .

Whoa... hold the phone there bud... Here's the reality of the current situation. I'm 40 years old, and can not find E. My neighbor's teenage son has literally bragged about how he can find any drug he wants (including E) very easily at the high school. So under the current prohibition, "dumb teens" can easily get drugs because that is who the dealers target. But responsible adults can not get them because we don't know any dealers.

Now lets talk about alcohol and cigarettes which are legal- teens have a harder time getting hold of those. Yes, they can get them, but not as easily. Why? Because the alcohol and tobacco is sold by legitimate sources and most of those sources will ask for I.D. if a teen tries to buy. So they have to find someone old enough (or has a fake I.D.) to buy it for them.

Plain and simple FACT- teens can get hold of illegal drugs easier than they can get hold of legal ones. There is one simple reason for that: prohibition does not work- it just gives the control of the drugs to the drug dealers, and drug dealers do not care what age the buyer is.

 

[purplefirefly]

Currently if you dont have the know how of how to find them then you cant do them.

Whether we like it or not, part of the governments job is to protect people from themselves.

I suspect that marijuana and probably mdma will be legalised in the future if enough studies are done first but drugs such as meth and H for example should not ever be legalised IMO...........if you want to use them then you can do that now..........no need to make them freely available to everyone complete with advertising etc.

If someone wants to do drugs but they don't know where to get them then they really don't have the desire to try to use.

But why should it be the government's responsibility to "save me from myself"? Why shouldn't it be up to the individual person to make a decision about what goes into their own body? And if you are really going with that point of view then the government really isn't protecting people because people do illegal drugs anyway, the government is protecting anybody who wants to use.

And I don't understand why so many people in this thread pick on heroin so much. Aside from addiction potential, heroin does not hurt your body, it's not neurotoxic or cardiotoxic. It does have addiction potential, but okay, there are tons of pain medications, that are legal, out there that are just as addicting and are even more potent than Heroin, Fentanyl and it's analogs for example.

You can't just pick and choose which drugs should be legalised because those are the ones that you like. Wouldn't it be safer to have all drugs legalized so that at least people could buy pure product? Wouldn't that be in their greater interest than using illegally and picking up and ingesting toxic substances?

 

[motorcyclist]

If someone wants to do drugs but they don't know where to get them then they really don't have the desire to try to use.

I'm not sure I understand that statement... I love E. But I only have one friend that also enjoys E. So when I need some, I have to get him to get it. He is getting it from a friend, who is getting it from a friend, who is getting it from a friend- no exageration! When I need E, it requires coordinating 4 individuals (and I'm sure each one is adding a little profit in for themselves)! And sometimes that can equal a month between my initial request and my actually receiving it Now if I didn't know that one guy, I would be shit outta luck. I would have no other method possible to get it. And believe me, I have looked for other avenues because the current route is lengthy and expensive. There are some other drugs I would like to try (2cb for example), but that one friend of mine does not have any idea where to score these other drugs- he only knows where to score E and weed.

Wouldn't it be safer to have all drugs legalized so that at least people could buy pure product? Wouldn't that be in their greater interest than using illegally and picking up and ingesting toxic substances?

You are exactly right. It is far more dangerous putting these "unknown" quality drugs in our bodies. Why is that so hard for the gov't to comprehend?

 

[AuraithX]

^Everyone picks Heroin as that is the most demonzided drug, and would require the most cultural change in order to be accepted.

 

[motorcyclist]

^ I think the demonization of heroin is due mainly to the amount of high profile deaths and suicides attributed to its use- "high profile" meaning celebrities and famous musicians (think Kurt Cobain).

 

[MazDan]

PPF, I have seen first hand what happens to a heroin junky. I have also seen first hand some pretty bad stuff related to cocaine use.........worse than H, and also from meth use, not to mention canabis which I have a loathing for once again due to the damage i have seen it do.

Currently, at least in my country, the scare campaigns at least keep the majority away. They may not be true but at least they stop many mindless fools from getting into something they cant control.

I am not going to argue about it............ its a stupid argument.

The fact is that its not gunna happen..........and thats all that matters as far as im concerned.

Oh and one last thing...........I can only deduce from your heroin cant hurt your body claim, that you have never had to suffer watching a close friend in the grasp of that crap. Your young, thankfully your views will change as mine did with a bit of experience under your belt.

 

[purplefirefly]

^^

Actually I have just lost a dear friend recently to a fent overdose so please don't think that I am naive in this matter.

But I have seen people be active and brilliant members of society while sustaining an opiate addiction.

I'm not saying that it doesn't have any negative attributes outside of those that are physical. The addiction potential is huge. But I don't think that alone should stop a drug from being legalized. There are plenty of people out there who are alcoholics, maybe we should just throw in the towel and ban alcohol. Alochol is one of the worst things that you can put into your body, and a true alocholic is a lot worse than a heroin addict IMO.

I don't believe in scare tactis, I believe in education. The government should have a duty to inform the public about harm reduction. They should acknowledge that they aren't going to have any real control and they should want their citizens to be safe.

Motorcyclist: I understand what you are saying. Let's say though that you lost your friendship with your main mdma hookup, what would you do then? Right now you don't have the need to look for another hookup as you already have one. If you really liked the drug and wanted to ingest it I'm sure you could find another hookup for it if you really had to.

 

[AuraithX]

The fact is that its not gunna happen..........and thats all that matters as far as im concerned.

I think every drug will be legalized, within my lifetime. The internet spreads knowledge. I have another 50-60 years in me. Look what the world was like 60 years ago.

20 years ago - Almost 80% of Britons were Catholic. In 2005 it was 35%.
Look how racist everyone was.
Cannabis was a "demon drug" and would turn anyone insane that used it.
Just last year Nevada had a bill to regular & control marijuana, it failed by only 6% or so.

Drug Education is just the next step

 

[motorcyclist]

Motorcyclist: I understand what you are saying. Let's say though that you lost your friendship with your main mdma hookup, what would you do then? Right now you don't have the need to look for another hookup as you already have one. If you really liked the drug and wanted to ingest it I'm sure you could find another hookup for it if you really had to.

Quite honestly, if I lost my main hookup, I would never be able to do E again. That is a sad reality I accepted a long time ago. I have tried and tried to find another hook up. But the sad reality is that he is the only person I know that doesn't think E is evil. I'm an upper level executive- I just don't have any contact with anyone that is into drugs. Everyone I know prefers alcohol or weed (and I'm sure a few of them are into coke). But everyone I know thinks that E is the worst drug in the world.

Funny sidenote to that: A couple years ago a very close friend of mine told me "I can get anything- If I can't get it, it can't be gotten". So I point blank asked him if he knew where to get some E. His response "Oh hell no! You couldn't pay me enough to go near that stuff! That stuff is deadly!"

If I lost my only hook-up, what choice would I have? Go to clubs and try to find someone 20 years younger than me to hook me up, even though they would probably think I was a cop? Middle-age executives tend to look a bit "too clean" if you know what I mean.

 

[motorcyclist]

I think every drug will be legalized, within my lifetime. The internet spreads knowledge. I have another 50-60 years in me. Look what the world was like 60 years ago.

20 years ago - Almost 80% of Britons were Catholic. In 2005 it was 35%.
Look how racist everyone was.
Cannabis was a "demon drug" and would turn anyone insane that used it.
Just last year Nevada had a bill to regular & control marijuana, it failed by only 6% or so.

Drug Education is just the next step

You're probably right about it happening within your lifetime. Sadly, I have my doubts that it will happen within my lifetime (I'm 40). If it does happen in my lifetime, it will probably happen so late in my life that I'll be too old to risk recreational drug use.

 

[The Hoff Bomb]

Motorcyclist, it would be alot easier for teens to get hard drugs since their legal, Since they would be available 24/7 and all they need is an adult over 21. I didn't say they couldnt get them at all.

 

[AuraithX]

Motorcyclist, it would be alot easier for teens to get hard drugs since their legal, Since they would be available 24/7 and all they need is an adult over 21. I didn't say they couldnt get them at all.

"hard drugs" are already readily available to the teens. If I wanted to get an drug like Meth, Heroin, Coke, etc I could probably find a source within a few days. These are the drugs that are everywhere the drugs I cannot get a hold of are safe psychedelics like mushrooms,DMT, etc..

 

[DividedSky]

Hoff, I have a WAY harder time trying to get alcohol than weed, coke, x, painkillers...probably many other things if I looked hard enough. Not everyone knows someone that's 21 to buy them shit all the time, and if you were 21, would you just go and buy drugs for some snot nosed teenage punks? I think not. It would make drugs harder to get than if they were illegal (for those underage).

I'm all for complete legalization of all drugs..like purplefirefly said, it's up to ME what I put in my body, not some far removed government that doesn't give a shit about us except for our taxes.

Plus, think of all the taxes they get if they put 'em on drugs. I don't think the US would even have a debt anymore, lol.

 

[ninjadanslarbretabar]

Whether we like it or not, part of the governments job is to protect people from themselves

the tobacco industry is responsible for 400 000 related death a year in the us alone
oh, and btw they are a legal organization, actually they are still legal because of $$$
heroin and cocaine are illegal because of $$$

so yes part of the governments job is to protect people....

 

[ninjadanslarbretabar]

^I ment drug rights.

sorry im not familiar with that expression : "drug rights"
could you give me a definition, cause for me its part of human right



you cant make tobacco legal, and substance x illegal cause the people in power don't like substance x, its call discrimination
its against basic human right if substance x is less harmful than tobacco (based on science not economic or religion !)

We have come a long way since WWII
-Human rights refers to universal rights of human beings regardless of jurisdiction
-the importance of human rights is a central democratic ideal

what im trying to say is that human right are primordial if we want to live in a better future !
im sure we agree on that, but where we draw the line....thats what we are trying to establish in this thread

from what ive read the war on drug has failed
from what i feel, its against human right, but thats debatable
human right is not a law, its a general statement
and i use drug so i feel concern

the war on drug mean that all bluelighter should be consider criminal ?

"in the United States, murderers are sentenced 20 years to life, but only serve 7 years of real time in the U.S. due to prison overcrowding caused by significant numbers of drug offenders"

blablabla,, sorry im ranting....

oh, and,
being legal doesn't mean being distributed everywhere
it should be regulated
but not too much at first so that people will prefer the legal way so that the criminal organization (and im not talking about the government in this case...) will slowly fade away...

 

[Ismene]

The problem with legalising all drugs is that there is no way of stopping those who shouldnt be using them from doing so.

Currently if you dont have the know how of how to find them then you cant do them.

Whether we like it or not, part of the governments job is to protect people from themselves.

I suspect that marijuana and probably mdma will be legalised in the future if enough studies are done first but drugs such as meth and H for example should not ever be legalised IMO...........if you want to use them then you can do that now..........no need to make them freely available to everyone complete with advertising etc.

Prohibition and sending people to jail for eating plants isn't protecting them. Prohibiting alcohol doesn't protect people - they just end up drinking backstreet moonshine.

Heroin and coke were legal and freely available 100 years ago and caused no problem - people used it in much the same way they used aspirin.

 

[sharaz]

Liquor causes enough damage, just think about how shitty your country would be with Meth addicts, dope fiends, People tripping on PCP. Crime rates would sky rocket. And think about how easy dumb teens could get addicting and destructive drugs. Theres so many reasons why all drugs shouldnt be legalized and only one argument for the other side, "your rights". Stop thinking about yourself and think for the . People who want everything legal are dumb... Drugs being illegal won't lead to socialism

It works to some extent. Think about how many people would use after its legalized.

First of all there are plenty of those people running around anyway and further more, call me a hard arse if you like, butI have no intention on wasting my precious time on "people who are too dumb to know the dangers of abuse and signs of dependency". Give me a break.....you sound like an evangelist. These people need to take responsibility for their own lives its not my damn responsiblity.

If they choose to go down the road to oblivion that's their choice and they should be allowed to do it....Maybe its time these sorts be allowed to self-destruct...there would certainly be less unitelligent people around and breeding.


Its not the drugs that are the problem for self destructive people - there are always underlying issues just the same as an alcoholic. But society tries to protect them from themselves ,feeling sorry for them because they have been dealt a bad hand in life, damn who hasn't got someone or something they could blame for all the bad things they do.

The problem with all this is that by removing people's power of choice you are not allowing themselves to take responsiblity for their own lives and as far as I am concerned the sooner people stop bleating about bad it all is and qualifying their actions with "its not my fault I'm like this" the better.

 

[Amebix]

it's a social glue

Hehe, i think you meant lubricant

 

[Ismene]

Crime rates would sky rocket. And think about how easy dumb teens could get addicting and destructive drugs. Theres so many reasons why all drugs shouldnt be legalized and only one argument for the other side, "your rights".

Don't be daft. Crimes rates would plummet. Firstly you wouldn't have millions of people in jail for smoking doobies. Secondly drugs would be reasonably priced and you would have a constant steady supply - so if you were addicted you'd be able to organise your life instead of spending 10 hours a day "waiting on the man".

There are thousands of heroin addicts who were addicted in the army after being treated for wounds. They lead perfectly healthy and normal crimefree lives - the difference is they are legally prescribed heroin.

You don't find people burgling houses to find money to fund their addiction to alcohol? Why? Because alcohol is legal.