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Why do GOV do not Legalize Ectstasy?

To all... Sorry this thread got hijacked... All I did was make an observation that they rated ritalin more harmful than E, and it got turned into a debate over whether I should be allowing my son to take Ritalin (still don't think any member of BL will know better than our family doctor 8) )

My apologies to all for allowing this thread to be hijacked. Lets go back to the original topic, and drop all the Ritalin debate.
 
theWorldWithin said:
Ritalin is a neurotoxin and daily use is in fact damaging your childs brain. Maybe he does need it, not my place to say.
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Ritalin is known to be an effective treatment for ADHD. Yes it's not such a nice chemical, but neither is aspirin, cortisone, or tamoxifen.
Motorcyclist is a parent, Ritalin helps his child.
And anyway I'm not even sure you are right when you say Ritalin is a neurotoxin.

AB, I have edited out the flame attack from WW. MazDan
 
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ControlFreak said:
Well not exactly, Alcohol induces violence and foul behavior within People, and Ecstasy Induces Love, self acceptance, and I think everyone would benefit from the use of ecstasy, specially not having to pay alot of money and not having no more bunk or Meth Pills, everything would be pure MDMA, and I'm sure when was MDMA still legal, did not have any reports back then that ecstasy had killed anyone with car accidents, or just any accident.
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Ecstacy is an amphetamine itself, so don't think it's so safe. Just because you haven't "heard" of any accidents caused by ecstacy doesn't mean there are none. Because alcohol is legal and more widely used, there obviously would be more alcohol related accidents. You make it seem like alcohol's effects are limited to violence and foul behavior, but alcohol can be fun as well.
 
People who use mdma should definitely not be driving while under the influence of the drug, it is just as dangerous as driving under the influence of alcohol.

To the topic at hand: I think that the major reason why ecstasy is illegal and alcohol is legal boils down to the simple fact of money. It is way more advantageous for the government to keep mdma illegal than it would be to make it legal. Money made through fines from people who are caught with drugs in their possession or corrupt government officials making "deals" with drug cartels would top the list.

As The Wood mentioned, there are pychedelics that have been used by religious organizations way before the dawn of alcohol, so it's not necessarily that alcohol is the only drug "part of our heritage", there are definitely much deeper roots than that.

I also think that the government basically has their foot in their mouth right now so to speak. They have been preaching for so long about the harms of drug use that if they were just to go out an legalize everything right now they would be basically admitting that everything they have been "preaching" is discredited. They of course aren't going to be willingly seen with egg on their face.

To the "off topic" discussion: I generally don't believe in medicating children, I think that the population in general is way over medicated. I do think that there are some people who benefit from medication though and I don't think it's fair for anyone to automatically dismiss anyone's choice about what they are doing for their child because for the most part I think that parents only want to do what is best and that they wouldn't willingly want to put their child in harm's way. Don't judge until you have walked a mile in that person's shoes.
 
purplefirefly said:
To the topic at hand: I think that the major reason why ecstasy is illegal and alcohol is legal boils down to the simple fact of money. It is way more advantageous for the government to keep mdma illegal than it would be to make it legal. Money made through fines from people who are caught with drugs in their possession or corrupt government officials making "deals" with drug cartels would top the list.
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The funds needed to investigate and to stop cartels would cost the government more money than they make. To top it off, the people they do catch that land in prison aren't exactly moneymakers for the government either. Prisons do not make money for the government, otherwise, they'd build more. If the government really wanted to make money off of ecstacy, they would legalize it and put taxes on it similar to tobacco and gasoline.
 
I didn't say that money was the sole reason, but I do think that it is a big reason.

I'm sure we can't even fathom the amount of dollars that are floating around due to "bought out" politicians. The government isn't directly seeing those funds the policitians are. Why would the politicians want the government to pocket that cash when the politician is pocketing the money themselves?
 
Please note that the topic is regarding why GOV wont legalise E. NOTHING ELSE. Any more flaming will result in a warning and off topic posts will be removed. Thankyou for your co-operation.
 
While I don't doubt that there are politicians out there illicitly profiting off of ecstacy, I think there would only be a handfull of people that would fit into that category. It is very unlikely that particular handfull of people are responsible for the legality of ecstacy. But then again, like you said, money isn't the sole reason.
 
well, for one, ecstacy pills are notorious for being impure. It would be impossible to legalize something with so many "mystery drugs" in it. The pill would likely have more illegal drugs in it than legal drugs. Second of all, just imagine how awful it would be if ecstacy pillz were legal and mass-produced. Think of the horrible quality the pills would be. Why don't we make herion legal while were at it?
 
delta_9 said:
well, for one, ecstacy pills are notorious for being impure. It would be impossible to legalize something with so many "mystery drugs" in it. The pill would likely have more illegal drugs in it than legal drugs. Second of all, just imagine how awful it would be if ecstacy pillz were legal and mass-produced. Think of the horrible quality the pills would be. Why don't we make herion legal while were at it?
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That is completely back-assward thinking. Think about it- if it were legalized, the big drug companies would be making the pills. They would not put any impurities into them for fear of opening themselves up to lawsuits. Pills would have a quality control process, unlike they currently do. Plus they would most likely make difference sizes available like 100mg, 120mg, etc... And when you purchased your pills, there would be no question of purity.

Think about it- companies would want to make sure they were selling the best product because consumers would be able to tell the good from the bad. The good companies would make money, the bad companies would be forced to fix their product or go broke.

Drug dealers selling an illegal substance- they don't care about any of the above. All they care about is how to make the most money from it.
 
Second of all, just imagine how awful it would be if ecstacy pillz were legal and mass-produced. Think of the horrible quality the pills would be.
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What? How do you say this? If MDMA was legal and production controlled by the government, I have a hard time seeing how you can think that pill quality would go down or even stay at the level it is?

If we (the US) legalized ecstasy, there would be so many stringent regulations enforced that no production company--mind you these are now legitimate pharmaceutical labs producing the drug for the most part, not underground chemists--would be able to get away selling a product cut with acetaminophen much less methamphetamine.

And once this happens the public will realize that they don't have to settle for less and will have the capacity to stop buying pills from the mexican cartels and sleazeballs who are currently cutting their pills with all sorts of nasty shit.



[edit] woops took me too long to read through all the ritalin jibberjab I guess, nice post motorcyclist :)
 
Why don't we make herion legal while were at it?
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About 90% of the people on this site would agree with that statement. Do you not think an adult should have a choice to what he can and cannot put in his body?
 
when i said horrible quality i shoud've said low dosage. Auraithx, of course i believe that, that choice is extremely important to me, but what does that have to do with anything? Whether i think that way or not isn't gonna change the law for mdma, heroin or anything else.
 
delta_9 said:
when i said horrible quality i shoud've said low dosage. Auraithx, of course i believe that, that choice is extremely important to me, but what does that have to do with anything? Whether i think that way or not isn't gonna change the law for mdma, heroin or anything else.
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Uhh..well your post made it sound sarcastic.

Also, your argument is invalid. A dose of MDMA is 120mg. There would be 120mg pills. Clean,Pharmaceutically pressed ones at that.
 
i was being sarcastic about heroin, of course it shoudn't be legal. A person still has the right to choose what they put into their body, whether it's illegal or not.
I doubt these fantasy pills of yours would be as strong as the pills bought on the street or at raves, but you never know, and i don't think we ever will.
 
A person still has the right to choose what they put into their body, whether it's illegal or not.
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The right to choose includes not being punished for doing so. Ability does not = right.

I doubt these fantasy pills of yours would be as strong as the pills bought on the street or at raves
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Why would you say that? The therapeutic doses used in MAPS testing in medical treatment are even larger than a standard 120mg recreational dose. I suggest you do some reading on the medical benefits of MDMA before you suggest that such a concept is "fantasy" and too far fetched to even think about specifics like this.
 
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