Whites Smoke Pot, but Blacks Are Arrested

I got arrested in Newark for the opposite reason, that it was a really shitty black neighborhood and i'm white. In Newark white people are more likely to get fucked with and searched because the cops think the only reason a white person would go into that shithole is if they were scoring some dope. The first time I was arrested there they were watching me with binoc's then ran up on us and threw us on the ground with their guns out and there was eight of them (5 staties, 1 dep of justice dude, 1 local cop, 1 sheriff deputy). Busted with two bricks and one bundle. Amazingly they let us go that night on ROR. My friend is taking all of it and is getting 2-3 years probation. Anyway it was probably good we got busted in Essex instead of our hometown. If you got caught with two bags you would probably make the paper in my shitty little hometown. The same day we got arrested someone else got caught with 500 bricks in newark so no one even noticed us.

On a lighter note the one black cop that got us started singing "quarter brick, halfa brick, whole brick, aye!" from gucci n OJ tha juiceman

Ive been reading on here for a while but this is my first post.
 
They were raised to believe drug use is awful. The real problem is prohibition and unfortunately there appears to be no end in sight to this cruel injustice.

They were raised to follow rules and not think. That mentality is a must to perform the job under the rule of law.
 
well, you guys skimmed over a basic truth.



The majority of arrests are arrests of minorities. This is true because the majority of policing happens in minority neighborhoods. The majority of policing happens in minority neighborhoods because that's where the most crime is.

Statistically speaking, the majority of people arrested for smoking pot should obviously be minorities.

It has little to do with racism and more to do with the distribution of the police force.

the only sensible post i've seen in this thread.

^ THiS
 
I have another reason to add to this whole thing, maybe an ignorant one, but in my experience, some minorities shy away from cops like an abused dog shies away from it's master. And that sort of attitude draws unwanted attention. Wheras, if you aren't afraid, you can walk around smoking joints and people will assume they're rolled cigarettes. And you can ask a cop for directions with blood red eyes and he'll assume you have allergies.
 
And you can ask a cop for directions with blood red eyes and he'll assume you have allergies.

clearly, opinion is divided on the issue. they either agree or disagree depending on their background and experience.
 
In small towns they arrest anybody for anything, even to force on false arrests and convictions. Regardless of race.
 
Well, you guys skimmed over a basic truth.



The majority of arrests are arrests of minorities. This is true because the majority of policing happens in minority neighborhoods. The majority of policing happens in minority neighborhoods because that's where the most crime is.

Statistically speaking, the majority of people arrested for smoking pot should obviously be minorities.

It has little to do with racism and more to do with the distribution of the police force.

Again.. this.

Also for some of the earlier posts.. I don't understand how a law that bans a substance universally for all people is racist. Maybe you mean the enforcement.. or the history of the law.. but the fact is.. the law itself has nothing racist about it, since it generally bans the substance.. for everyone.. equally.
 
Its no lie, different ethnic backgrounds will always be profiled in the eyes of the government. They kind of have to, as a safety precaution.. and I see the logic there. Your right, occasionally statistics isn't always the winner, but in the end statistics still rule the law.
 
Again.. this.

Also for some of the earlier posts.. I don't understand how a law that bans a substance universally for all people is racist. Maybe you mean the enforcement.. or the history of the law.. but the fact is.. the law itself has nothing racist about it, since it generally bans the substance.. for everyone.. equally.

Study the history of the marijuana prohibition. The laws were passed to discriminate against certain people; and today, the laws can be used for that same purpose.

Everyone is talking about ARRESTS, which I think misses the point - I am more concerned with convictions and sentences; and most of what I remember reading indicates that minorities are convicted more for the same crimes and receive harsher punishments.

There lies the true inequity in the system. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
 
But are we really going to get into the whole 'black vs. white' thing? It's 2010, seriously...

Unfortunately, even though most sensible people have no problem with race.. the fact that some people do still deems it worthy of being a talking point.
 
Study the history of the marijuana prohibition. The laws were passed to discriminate against certain people; and today, the laws can be used for that same purpose.

That's basically word for word what i said lol.. the history and enforcement are what make the law racist. But you can't saw a law that says "such and such is a banned substance" (obviously not a quote) is a racist law. It's the people that make it racist. Basically, there's nothing in the wording of the law that makes it a "racist law" as people have called it, but any law can be used for racial purposes. That doesn't, by any means qualify them as a racist law...

Edit: Not to leave out the rest of your post.
Everyone is talking about ARRESTS, which I think misses the point - I am more concerned with convictions and sentences; and most of what I remember reading indicates that minorities are convicted more for the same crimes and receive harsher punishments.

There lies the true inequity in the system. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
That's a really good point. I mean the arrests are still a racial issue, big time.. which can also effect the numbers of convictions. But basically just getting arrested in the US doesn't mean anything other than now you're at risk for actually getting a punishment. The problem that I find with the execution of racism in the court system is the rule of precedent. There's basically already set punishments set in order for crimes like these.. and if a judge was continually punishing minorities more than white defendants.. that just seems like something that would be handled very quickly. But I could be wrong.
 
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Racial profiling is a central part of the "War on Drugs" and it's sickening. These faulty policies need to come to an end, permanently.
 
On a lighter note the one black cop that got us started singing "quarter brick, halfa brick, whole brick, aye!" from gucci n OJ tha juiceman

Ive been reading on here for a while but this is my first post.

Hahahahaha, hhaaa,, oh fuck, Its 12 30 am and I am laughin my ASS off when I read that....L-O-L yo...Thanks for givin me my first real laugh of the day (This one that started at 12am AND the one before it. ) I guess its so funny cuz Im from jersey too and I been in many hoods, fucked with by cops all over and i KNOW that is some real shit right there lol. Lord that was funny. Man when that song came out every dope block from paterson to newark to irvington to JC would be blastin that shit out of every car that u passed on ur drive up to the spot. Memories, memories.....

Anyways, There is so much ignorance in this thread that I really aint about to get into it, there aint no point to arguin with some people that is sooo obviously just trollin to get a rise outta people. Foolish-asses. Anyways, Wat up jerz, welcome to BL, hope u like it and learn alot, forget all these raggedy asses talkin dumb shit, come over to the Dirty Jersey thread in North n south american drug discussion n chill with some of your own kind, we know wats up. ;)

And for the record....I never fail to get disappointed by the horrible ignorance showed in threads like this by so many ppl who i would other wise have thought was decently intelligent and aware. shame, shame...:|

On a lighter note the one black cop that got us started singing "quarter brick, halfa brick, whole brick, aye!" from gucci n OJ tha juiceman

Ive been reading on here for a while but this is my first post.

Hahahahaha, hhaaa,, oh fuck, Its 12 30 am and I am laughin my ASS off when I read that....L-O-L yo...Thanks for givin me my first real laugh of the day (This one that started at 12am AND the one before it. ) I guess its so funny cuz Im from jersey too and I been in many hoods, fucked with by cops all over and i KNOW that is some real shit right there lol. Lord that was funny. Man when that song came out every dope block from paterson to newark to irvington to JC would be blastin that shit out of every car that u passed on ur drive up to the spot. Memories, memories.....

Anyways, There is so much ignorance in this thread that I really aint about to get into it, there aint no point to arguin with some people that is sooo obviously just trollin to get a rise outta people. Foolish-asses. Anyways, Wat up jerz, welcome to BL, hope u like it and learn alot, forget all these raggedy asses talkin dumb shit, come over to the Dirty Jersey thread in North n south american drug discussion n chill with some of your own kind, we know wats up. ;)

And for the record....I never fail to get disappointed by the horrible ignorance showed in threads like this by so many ppl who i would other wise have thought was decently intelligent and aware. shame, shame...:|

I have another reason to add to this whole thing, maybe an ignorant one, but in my experience, some minorities shy away from cops like an abused dog shies away from it's master. And that sort of attitude draws unwanted attention. Wheras, if you aren't afraid, you can walk around smoking joints and people will assume they're rolled cigarettes. And you can ask a cop for directions with blood red eyes and he'll assume you have allergies.

And why wouldnt u shy away from authorities if u been TREATED like a abused dog by them ur whole life? Many of yall aint lived in the places that we talkin about here, "ghetto" "hood" "high crime neighborhood" wtfever u want to call it, but in these communities there is a long-term, generation-passed-down, deep seated mis trust and fear of law enforcement. thats the way it been for a long time, and its like embedded in ppls attitudes and minds. U cant just change some shit like that over night. And let me tell u I aint even black, but I been havin fear of cops and all type of cop figures like that since I was a little girl. And even now, as a 100% clean ex addict who dont even do the slightest illegal thing at all, Im still scared, shit.

When you constantly see your FAMILY, FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS, and SELF targeted and treated unfairly, falsely accused, abused, taunted, harassed, and all around catch hell from these ppl who is suppose to protect u, its a bigger problem than just one persons attitude or feelings or how they dress or talk or act or watever. Theres a Us and Them syndrome happenin and its long and its strong, and u know wat side u on. and thats ingrained in life in the hood for a lot of ppl. Black white brown it dont matter, when u come from there, the distrust and waryness of police its universal thru the races . but especially strong in minorities for easy to understand reasons.

When people talk about mistreatment or watever, it aint about "400 years" OK. Its shit, that is happening, riiiight, now. Maybe that u aint aware of. but it is. There is injustices of so many kinds it would blow your mind, goin down on a corner near you, every day of the week month and year, but nobody hears if they aint hearin from the street, and that means the people there know, but the rest of the world dont. "Well if its really happening the newpapers would be reporting it, i men there woudl be a outrage if that many innocent people was gettin targeted!" Bullshit. Cuz it happens and keeps happenin and its like enclosed in a invisible wall that surrounds the community keeping this shit in and keeping the outsiders out so they never get a totally true picture of wats goin on.

I aint tryin to ramble on, All im sayin is that u act like its some kind of stupidity or ignorance or attitude problem or somethin, on the part of the black and hispanic folks who pretty much is straight up scared of police. Why? Because from the moment you get those cuffs on...ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. Law, goes out the window. Fairness, bye bye. Right and wrong, justice, gone. Maybe when you got arrested you got charged with exactly the thing you did, and maybe even less. But when you on the wrong side of the tracks, the wrong side of the police, the wrong side of the race line....Theres a lot more possibilities. I known my self personally, people who had nothing on them who got charged with possession of 115 bags of heroin. 67 vials of hard(crack.) People who didnt do nothing wrong but cussed back at the cop who taunted them and verbally attacked them, who got ass beatings and drugs or weapons planted on them. This aint no fuckin detective movie, no comic book shit, this is real life things I seen for my self go down. If you knew that when you walking down the street in your own neighborhood, wearin some comfortable clothes that consists of baggy sweats, a white T and a du rag and some nikes, you could get randomly stopped while walkin down the street, pushed up against the wall and cuffed, and at that moment ur entire fuckin life could change in ways that u cant even control at the moment, maybe u would have a little fear too. When you realize the power that they have over you, that even random, casual, non-criminal/cop encounters can end up with you cuffed down on the ground, I think you jus might be a little cautious too...

"Oh well if you know you black and that your hood is targeted, and know that they target ppl who dress like "thugs" then u should change ur appearance, and dont walk around at night, act different, come on."

No, becuz U have a right to walk , on your street, in the clothes that you feel is comfortable, and since when is a t shirt and sweat pants the "thug uniform." U aint gotta be wearin a Stop Snitchin or a shirt with some shit like DOPE BOY MONEY across the front to be considered lookin "suspect". these cops call u suspect if you got skin darker than the tone of extra-light coffee and are on the street anytime after sunset. The way shit is, is the way it is, and people gotta adapt how they act to work the best way that will be the most beneficial to them when they in that world. But how bout, lets not get so caught up in tellin people about "thats the way it is, so this is how u gotta act, and deal with it" that we forget the part about how this shit is unfair, misguided, and straight up WRONG in the first place.

U can talk about how we know its wrong but it aint gonna change, so if we smart and dont wanna get caught up, this is wat we gotta do to live with the wrongness...Accepting the wrongness, in order to be able to survive in the wrongness......but its still wrong. Thats all im sayin.
 
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Well, you guys skimmed over a basic truth.

The majority of arrests are arrests of minorities. This is true because the majority of policing happens in minority neighborhoods. The majority of policing happens in minority neighborhoods because that's where the most crime is.

Statistically speaking, the majority of people arrested for smoking pot should obviously be minorities.

It has little to do with racism and more to do with the distribution of the police force.

Bullshit. Policing happens in minority/poorer areas because the people in power would rather poor/minorities get busted then rich fucks who commit plenty of crime and take just as many if not more drugs. Police serve to maintain the status quo and punish those who can't defend themselves. Drug use, violence, white collar crime are all readily apparent in non-minority/poor neighborhoods but the police are pushed to attack those who can't defend themselves.

It has EVERYTHING to do with police distribution which has EVERYTHING to do with racism.
 
I don't mean to oversimplify here, but are people in this thread actually saying there ISN'T racism in the police force and in the judicial system?

!!???????????

How the hell can anyone say something like that?

Of course there is rampant racism in the system.

This country has a long history of shitting on minorities and then complaining that they have a bad attitude or poor work ethic. Well, when the system mistreats some of its people, not all of them are going to take well to it.
 
Total nonsense. Until recently I kept a flat in a South Bronx housing project (estate to UK members, etc). I am, for those who have viewed my photos, white skinned with blue eyes. I was Profiled just as much (if not MORE) than any black in Lower Manhattan (or any other part of New York City).

Racial Profiling (not to be confused with the very useful scientific process of "Profiling") is ignorant and useless as a real crime fighting tool but is not typical a racist act. Blacks in certain areas will attract attentions just as whites in other areas will do the same.

Personally I love it since I made a nice sum off of a lawsuit but that being what it is, articles like the original piece are reaching and devoid of real substance.
 
To the point made about more blacks (in the US) being convicted and then sentenced more harshly than a white counterpart, that is not typically due to racism either but to a combination of factors with socio-sconomic status being the largest single cause.

Blacks typically make less than white counterpoints due to a disparity in higher education. One could (probablly) successfully argue that the base root IS racism since these huge social disparities are rooted in Slavery and then subsequent laws band social practices (like "Jim Crow") rooted in slavery. However, when examining modern American society one cannot help but admit that state and federal laws are crafted devoid of racial concerns (of course meaning post-Jim Crow legislation). Application of said laws can be uneven for sure but I do not see any ratrionale at all for stating that it is an institutional issue.
 
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