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Which now illegal research chemical would you want more of?

emkee_reinvented said:
So what is up with this AMT crap that some are so ravenous about. You not being the only one Xorkoth. Limpet Chicken thought higly of it and a lot of other poster as well.

While I get a effect from it that discourages me to ever do any further experimentation with it. Still got about 800 smelly mg's left.

Can I combo it with something?
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What dose did you do? 50mg provides a very strong 12 hour trip that's like a combo of acid and Mandy. I got a few caps left from the legal days myself. But I honestly prefer actual acid and MDMA to aMT now I have easy access to those. aMT is strong psychedelic for sure but it is very "dirty" and lasts even longer than acid.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
So what is up with this AMT crap that some are so ravenous about. You not being the only one Xorkoth. Limpet Chicken thought higly of it and a lot of other poster as well.

While I get a effect from it that discourages me to ever do any further experimentation with it. Still got about 800 smelly mg's left.

Can I combo it with something?
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AMT can have quite a bodyload, especially for the first few hours. If you plug it, the bodyload is much less. If you're sensitive to bodyloads, you might find it very dirty feeling. Personally I don't even get nauseous from it. I find it one of the most euphoric drugs, it feels a lot like MDMA to me but much longer and there is no comedown, it just gradually fades to nothingness. I don't find it dirty feeling but it's very present in the body. I really like the body feeling, myself.

I find that pre-dosing with phenibut makes AMT like 5 times better. Phenibut basically reduces bodyload and increases euphoria of all psychedelics, without reducing their effects like a benzo would. Of course you have to be experienced with phenibut so you know how to do it right... it's pretty hard to dose right, you have to experiment with it until you get up to the dose where it works.

Other than that... I mean I probably wouldn't combine it with anything except another psychedelic. I also like to drink on it. Alcohol probably reduces the bodyload somewhat. Another psychedelic will not, though.
 
^^^^I wish i saw the kinds of gains you seem to express in regards to phenibut (then again, i take 3.75g a day).

I don't remember liking aMT a whole lot...had a dirty piperazinesque buzz, lasted forever and don't really recall it being that euphoric. I used to buy it from the pondman (if anyone remembers him) back when I was in high school, before he got busted in "operation web trypt". His aMT killed some kid via hypertensive crisis and he got sentenced to 400 years.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
So what is up with this AMT crap that some are so ravenous about. You not being the only one Xorkoth. Limpet Chicken thought higly of it and a lot of other poster as well.

While I get a effect from it that discourages me to ever do any further experimentation with it. Still got about 800 smelly mg's left.

Can I combo it with something?
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aMT is a stronger releaser of Dopamine and Serotonine than Methamphetamine, half life is up there as well.
It is a stimulant more than a psychedelic, and some people can take much more than the 30 to 60mg reported everywhere, I would do about 150 nasal or plugged and "roll" for 8 hours or so, with 4/6 funny hours after that.
Combo I had was MDMA, MXE, MDAI, Ketamine, 25i and 25c nBOME, various synth noids, LSD, 2c-X, 3c-P.
Much less come down than MDMA.
From 3 to 10mg is a very effective antidepressant.
It never had a bad stimulation feeling for me and my friends.
I miss it, with MXE, the nBOMEs, MDAI, 5 and 6MABP.... Ah well, you can still find some of those sometimes, but not MXE and aMT AFAIK.
 
Phobos said:
aMT is a stronger releaser of Dopamine and Serotonine than Methamphetamine, half life is up there as well.
It is a stimulant more than a psychedelic, and some people can take much more than the 30 to 60mg reported everywhere, I would do about 150 nasal or plugged and "roll" for 8 hours or so, with 4/6 funny hours after that.
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It doesn't really stimulate besides keeping one awake.

Psychedelic stimulation at best.
 
Wilson Wilson said:
What dose did you do? 50mg provides a very strong 12 hour trip that's like a combo of acid and Mandy. I got a few caps left from the legal days myself. But I honestly prefer actual acid and MDMA to aMT now I have easy access to those. aMT is strong psychedelic for sure but it is very "dirty" and lasts even longer than acid.
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Went up to 80 mg, never got anything remotely like a candyflip. Weird tryptamine, MDMA and LSD is ok though.
 
Phobos said:
Based on my experience and that of a few friends, I cannot agree with that.
This tables show also how strong of a stim it actually is.
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Thank you for this, i appreciate it. Despite having gone through a few grams of this in my youth, I would have never suspected these values. Very interesting. I recall it being very stimulating but not that euphoric...

Whats the affinity at 5ht2a?
 
Phobos said:
Based on my experience and that of a few friends, I cannot agree with that.
This tables show also how strong of a stim it actually is.
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Nice table, and I don't disregard the values provided.

But being very familiar with stimulants and having some tries with aMT. The values don't necessarely relate to a experience remotely like an stimulant or empathogen imo.It felt like a true Tryptamine, heavy on duration and mildly on the hallucinogenic side. My other exp with members of the family Psylocibine containing mushroom's and 5-meo-dipt.

But it shows some remarkable differences between people's description's, weird tryptamine. Having roughly the same releasing capacity as MDMA but differing somewhat on the reuptake doesn equate to a likewise effects. At least not in me.
 
Anyone have any idea why IAP, indanyl amino propane/ 5-apdi. Was withdrawn from the market.

It, like aMT, had some responses ranging from ? to raving reviews. And was withdrawn voluntary because the health risk's were to great?
 
emkee_reinvented said:
Anyone have any idea why IAP, indanyl amino propane/ 5-apdi. Was withdrawn from the market.

It, like aMT, had some responses ranging from ? to raving reviews. And was withdrawn voluntary because the health risk's were to great?
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aMT used to a pharma too. It was scripted (in lower than doses we take) as a daily anti-depressant in Russia. It was of course withdrawn from the medical market when they realised they were handing out psychedelics to patients unknowingly. Russia is crazy.
 
^^hehe so glad I brought 10gs when it was banned, only just finished my first gram 10 to 15 mg a day keeps me motivated when I don't have any amphetamine(s)
Ever heard the story of Ken Kesey stealing loads of from a hospital just before his magic bus tour 'Further' kicked off, man what id give to be a fly on that wall

MPA is the one I'd want back tho, I was horrendously addicted to it, but loved every second, shame about the deviated septum tho
 
Wubb said:
Ever heard the story of Ken Kesey stealing loads of from a hospital just before his magic bus tour 'Further' kicked off, man what id give to be a fly on that wall
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That's what got it started, the it-290 references. The rolls royce of psychedelic's Neal Cassidy called it according to Wolfes book, right?

First RC I bought if you discount GHB which was available a bit before the RC's started coming up.
 
Wilson Wilson said:
aMT used to a pharma too. It was scripted (in lower than doses we take) as a daily anti-depressant in Russia. It was of course withdrawn from the medical market when they realised they were handing out psychedelics to patients unknowingly. Russia is crazy.
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People overdueing themselves on these Indopan were certainly in for a remarkeable experience. The did something a like with aET in the USA marketed as Monase, an now discontinued anti-depressant. So America is probably just as wacky.
 
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emkee_reinvented said:
That's what got it started, the it-290 references. The rolls royce of psychedelic's Neal Cassidy called it according to Wolfes book, right?
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Yep that's the one, the films worth a watch if you get the chance, Mr Cassidy was one crazy mother fucker
 
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