When its time to try roids ? can u recommend it

If you feel good mentally and physically - don't bother with steroids. Fucking up your testosterone can cause all sorts of serious depression and problems when you stop.
 
Unless you are trying to be Mr Olympia, be a professional athlete or somehow get income from your body the best time to start steroids is never OR as late in life as possible.
 
If you mean sarms? If your in your 20s I dunno all I can say is I'm 39 I work out 3 days a week hard and I'm about to start going 5 days a week and the progress is super slow I'm getting a pound roughly a month of muscle. In five years that's 60 pounds of muscle which is a lot but at my age.. it's just slow waiting 5 years to be big when I could do it in 8 months with sarms is hard for me to resist. I used to do hard drugs so buying illegal drugs off the Internet is way easy for me however I'm doing it natural and I would say learn how to work out first then add the drugs and get a trainer to learn everything correctly I wouldn't touch sarms or roids until I was 26+ just because you don't want to harm your body forever. You only get one body remember that. Good luck. Meth was fun at first but it sure didn't stay fun I feel like all illegal drugs work the same. Whatever benefits you get.. well go away as time goes on and the side effects with just add up and add up until your heart fails at 35 lol.
 
We're I healthy I might use sarms for sure. Because? You could build so much muscle in 5 years enough to last you your entire life. But I never used them so for God sake don't take my advise... I mean I got no idea. I could help you use meth and give you tons of advise on that drug. But as a man I understand I want muscle so bad I'm willing to go to the gym 5 days a week now... Sigh.
 
Well people claim once you quit them you lose the muscle so.. if that's true yes worthless but I doubt that's true... I think you could gain 3x maybe 5x the muscle. Instead one pound a month I could get 5 pounds... But not worth it to be better I value my health most of all
 
Byzek said:
I am 29 and wanna get huge hard and lean.
So i also havd to do roids why training until "reaching some limit".?
That sounds like a fucking waste of time.
So i have to train like for 5 years then im ready?.
I bet in 5 years I dont have time to train because then im busy with other stuff.
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Maje the time if it’s important to you. That’s the number one “reason “ people tell themselves. “ I dont have time”. I know I’ve used it to myself many times until I realized I was lying to myself. Get up an hour earlier. You won’t be interrupted and you will have time.

I do take TC and I work out a lot but I am not a body builder. I don’t want to be THAT big. Just cut up.
 
Well if you wanted to build muscle real fast there's a steroid called Dimethyltrienolone, but it's risky to take.
 
Anabolics are used when you've plateaued in your natural potential, or for recovery/healing from injuries. The second category is often neglected when people make recommendations for steroid use.

For example, I have osteoporosis in my lumbar spine and hips due to years of corticosteroid use due to an autoimmune condition. My doctor wanted to put me on osteoporosis drugs (bisphosphonates), but these create an inferior bone matrix that is more prone to breaks down the road. Also the recovery percentage is very slow.

Instead, I opted for TRT, which then transitioned into blasting and cruising testosterone. I then added Anavar (Oxandrolone) because it is clinically indicated for bone preservation and regeneration in cachexia cases. I also added boron daily. These were all taken within the background of heavy weightlifting.

In just one year, my bone scan shows that I have recovered 14% of my bone density in my spine and hips. My doctor is shocked. She knows I'm on TRT but she does not know that I blast and cruise T or take other anabolics. She said that the standard bone recovery at my age for males is usually 2-3% every 2 years.

In the major sports leagues, most of the athletes use anabolics for injury recovery, under the guidance of doctors and rehab specialists. They really are superior for injury recovery. You can go from taking years to recover to maybe months with the right regimen.
 
Imo, most people here have decent advice.

Most use when very advanced lifting, to get back to where they were after an injury, or similar.

Imo, I'm less picky. I think roads are for when you want to speed up progress for an already established lifting program.

Problem is, that's vague. Imo, you should know how to lift safely, understand your limits well, and have your routine (food, sleep, etc) almost perfected.

Otherwise it's just a waste of time.

Steroids aren't like other drugs. You dotn get high no matter how sloppy your life is. You have to have a fairly set routine to get the most out of them.
 
Are the "swoll gains" really worth the baby testicles, impotence, hair loss and liver and kidney function of an octogenarian?

^I'm not even being hyperbolic, I know people who all those things have happened to, including my brother.
I THINK they reversed when he stopped? IDK if his balls unshrunk or not though.
 
Fertile said:
It is a VERY accomplished design. That a team of Turkish medicinal chemists came up with something almost identical suggests that it's just about the most potent steroid known.
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Some insights on how anabolic steroids cause muscle growth (via their anti-catabolic effects aka anti-glucocorticoid aka anti-cortisol).

...led me to the theory that there is no such thing as anabolic hormones, only anticatabolic ones, and the "anabolic" effects from T and anabolic steroids are actually the result of their antagonism to cortisol (and potentially estrogen).
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An old study I found makes the same claim, and highlights the well-known fact that muscle contains almost exclusively glucocorticoid receptors (GR), while androgen receptors (AR) are mostly expressed in tissues like prostate, gonads, brain and skin. Thus, if a steroid is found to have an "anabolic" effect in muscle that is due almost exclusively to antagonism of GR.
Steroids with strong androgenic effects would also have anabolic effects but those would be secondary to GR antagonism and reserved mostly for tissues with high expression of AR - i.e. prostate, gonads, sex organs, brain, etc.
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Binding of glucocorticoid antagonists to androgen and glucocorticoid hormone receptors in rat skeletal muscle. - PubMed - NCBI
Although the anabolic activity of androgenic steroids has been recognized for a long time, the way in which these steroids act in muscle is ill-understood. It is also known that glucocorticoids exert a catabolic and anti-anabolic effect on protein metabolism in skeletal muscle. Androgen and glucocorticoid receptors have been demonstrated in this tissue. Since several steroids, including androgens, behave as glucocorticoid antagonists when binding to the glucocorticoid receptor in other tissues such steroids could antagonise the catabolic action of endogenous glucocorticoids by preventing binding of the latter to their cytosolic receptors in muscle. Thus, muscle anabolism could result either from agonist steroid binding to the androgen receptor, or from antagonist binding to the glucocorticoid receptor, or both.
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Interestingly, the potent anabolic steroid trenbolone bound to the glucocorticoid receptor with an affinity almost as high as that of corticosterone, the endogenous glucocorticoid in the rat
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Indeed, antiglucocorticoid activity is expected to counteract protein catabolism, while androgenic activity would stimulate anabolism."
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The latter possibility is supported by the observation that the anabolic action of androgens results from inhibition of protein catabolism rather than from stimulation of anabolism. Indeed, antiglucocorticoid activity is expected to counteract protein catabolism, while androgenic activity would stimulate anabolism.
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Thus, if one would like to combine the best of both worlds, one would need a steroid which is a strong antagonist at GR and a strong agonist at AR. This present a possible issue as the binding requirements for both receptors differ. Strong GR antagonists are usually pregnane derivatives, which also have at least one unsaturated (double) bond in the A-ring of the steroid core. Such steroids do not have great affinity for the AR.
On the other hand, strong AR agonists are usually fully saturated androstane steroids like DHT, and androsterone as well as synthetic derivatives like mesterolone and oxandrolone (among many others). However, fully reduced androstane steroids do not bind well to the GR even though they are antagonist to it. Thus, DHT is expected to be a relatively weak anabolic steroid in muscle and highly anabolic in AR-rich tissues, which has been confirmed in practice countless times.
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As can be immediately seen, progesterone is one of the most potent antagonists of GR as it satisfies all the requirements. Known "anabolic" steroids like testosterone and other AAS are also GR antagonists, but as the study above noted, relatively weak ones
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Recommendations what precautions to take and what should i be aware, what supplications should i take and for how long can i go? SWIM is about to inject testosterone.
 
Look into things that reduce aromatase enzyme, and also consider reducing things that increase aromatase activity (cortisol is one of them).

Estrogens are generated mainly by the action of aromatase (enzyme), which converts testosterone to estradiol
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Aromatase-independent testosterone conversion into estrogenic steroids is inhibited by a 5 alpha-reductase inhibitor - PubMed

Estrogens are generated mainly by the action of aromatase, which converts testosterone to estradiol and androstenedione to estrone. However, in addition to estradiol and estrone, a variety of other steroids, whose synthesis is not dependent on aromatase, can stimulate the estrogen receptor. Here...
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