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When is poor spelling/grammar ok? Discuss literacy...

The old way isnt necessarily the best way...

I really dont c the huge issue on people using abbreviations, and I highly doubt it shows a lack of intelligence if you do use them.

I wouldnt class myself as unintelligent. I can use proper spelling and grammar, I just dont choose to do it all the time.

Why? Because I can choose not to & because I spend over 15 hours a day in front of computer and during business hours I have to be pedantic so when I get home, I wont be.

And as for sms, well if you wanna be a twat and waste $1 on every message cause you have to write things so damn correctly.. go right ahead. Thats not an overly intelligent thing to do now is it?
 
Grrr... Language and spelling is fucking important. You can't have a love for language without having an appreciation for spelling. Without an appreciation for language we end up with today's society, Big Brother, etc.

There is a WHOLE DICTIONARY full of fucking awesome words that will eventually fade away because most people only care enough about language to learn words that will get them through their day, let them express their thoughts (or lack of) about footy etc.

Crappy abrreviations are born from this lack of giving a fuck about language. People don't want to learn to spell because it requires thought not needed to get through life from day to day.

Well fuck that, have fun being obsequious to TV executives in what you think, wear, eat, and talk about.

I'm not having a bar of it. Here's to learning how to spell an incipient word and adding to your vocabulary.

KEEP OUR LANGUAGE ALIVE!
 
I don't see why respecting our language is 'classism'. That's just ridiculous. I agree with lostpunk [for once ;)] although perhaps not on such an extreme level.

It's not that I have a problem with poor spellers but I hate that some people don't even make the effort to spell things correctly.

Like I said before, I think it's unfortunate that people are seen as being less intelligent if they're poor spellers however I also think truly intelligent people will make that extra effort to respect our language.*

*Obviously I'm not including people who speak english as their second language or people who are dyslexic.
 
I have to ask the question...what is more important, knowing the meaning of a word or how the it's spelt correctly? To me, the meaning is far more important than how it looks on paper. If you want to argue against the erosion of the English language then surely the spoken word is the first defence.
 
^ Of course knowing the meaning is more important, however, if you're communicating regularly with the written word [such as on an internet forum] I think it's worth taking the time to learn how it's spelt.

That being said, I know I'm a poor speller but at least I try to get things right.
 
^ Yeah, that's closer to the point I was trying to make with spelling. Everyone misspells words (that's natural) but it does take an extra (and worthwhile) effort to attempt to spell corrrectly rather than not caring at all. And while I'm not one to care much for institutions, language is one institution that I'm entirely for.

Who would want to read a book that was filled with misspellings and mediocre words?

In the same context, it is much more pleasing to read musings on the internet if they are correctly spelled and not all over the place.

Though I do value the content of a post or an SMS more than the spelling, I appreciate it that much more if it is pleasing to the eyes (note: this is extremely subjective, I'm not forcing a viewpoint here).
 
I totally agree, but the original post appears to place an emphasis on the written word and it's mis-spelling or corruption being a major contributor to the decay of the English language. I contend that the spoken word is far more detrimental.
 
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lostpunk5545 said:
Everyone misspells words (that's natural) but it does take an extra (and worthwhile) effort to attempt to spell corrrectly rather than not caring at all.
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I'm not going to pretend I've never made a typo, but I do take the time to go over my work and check the spelling. I take pride in knowing that my work is without mistakes. Particularly when it comes to work for uni... to be honest, I'd be embarrassed to know I'd handed something in with spelling/grammatical errors.

I guess it doesn't bother me AS much seeing mistakes on message boards/in chat, but if you are going to take to time to put together a detailed argument in a post, why not take the extra two seconds to check your spelling. I also get really bothered by mistakes in posts that people make in words... I think it really detracts from the work if you've left mistakes in a piece you are presenting.

No qualms about using abbreviations in text messaging... I hate using my phone at the best of times... anything to shorten the time on it is fine by me.
 
Yeh I must agre with som of those points sociti is coming to point nowe were speeling and gramer are just going down the shitter i meen if ppl continoo to spell realy bad on the net then its entirelly posible thet their gremmer in reel life wil suk cus literature needs to evolve not deevolve and with alll thees jakarse wankars speling reele bad on the net it just makes a poor reflectian on society as a hole
 
wow and people think i'm on a high horse and self rightoues (yeah i know thats spelt wrong, i don't give a shit)
 
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I'm with SLM on this one.

It's ok to use alternate spelling and grammar when you're clearly joking around. But as far as I'm concerned, this is the only time.

Poor spelling and grammar shits me.

Sorry if you're dyslexic or have any of a plethora of conditions which prevents you from being literate, but it still shits me.

I really find it hard to take someone seriously "If dey rite like an abseloute retard."
 
Interesting point to note:

It's come up in this thread a few times now that "I may be a spelling nazi, but I'll throw it out the window if you're dyslexic or have another acceptable excuse like being from another country".

How do you know if someone's dyslexic? How do you know if English is their second language? You don't. Then how about just accepting that maybe being a shit speller is no reflection on someone's intelligence, rather than looking for some PC excuse to justify it?

Or to put it another way...one of the guys I grew up with is looked upon as a bit of a musical virtuoso, because he can't read or write for shit, but can play anything that he's heard a couple of times. He can literally listen to someone sing something, pick up a guitar and play accompaniment for them, without any idea whatsoever of how musical notes look when they're written down. If that's not a sign of intelligence, I don't know what is.

Whether we like it or not, language rules aren't permanent, and they aren't written in stone. I work in a call centre, and I can assure you; a lot of really old people don't know what you mean when you say "zero", but that doesn't stop it from being a real word. They would probably rather we say "nought", but does it make us stupid because we're not comfortable with that?
 
^^ yeah fully! Just because someone may not be able to speak or spell or whatever as well as someone else does not mean they have less intelligence.

Anyone heard the theory of 9 different intelligences? Anyone that has done education (and maybe psychology) would. How do you think teachers teach 30 kids in a classroom who all have different intelligences, ways they learn and interests?

because anyone that can't spell must be dumb and without talent right? fuck the artists, musicions( i really have no idea how to spell that word and i DEEPLY apologise and i even used spell check for all the fucking elite spellers out there and it couldn't give me one either), dancers, mathematitions etc etc

if you can't spell you must be stupid right?

pffffttt
 
cynakill stfu, it's not she who is at fault...
it's that darned spellcheck!!
 
I think the point that a lot of people are missing is that it's not about occasional mistakes, it's about when someone's written language is so bad that they cease to effectively communicate.

That is the whole purpose. We have rules for spelling and grammar to ensure communication is clear, consistant and effective. Misplaced or absent apostrophes, incorrect use of holimilies and a lack of punctuation decreases the effectiveness of your communication. Meaning becomes obscure and people may misinterpret your posts.

We've all seen people posting on Bluelight with such a bad grasp of written English that you really can't be certain what they are saying: no full stops, no paragraphs, spelling so bad that words become unidentifiable.

The whole point of having consistent rules is so that every reader will get the same information from your words. Make those rules more flexible and you take away that clarity, you increase uncertainty of meaning and you cease getting your point across in the most effective manner.

I'm not pedantic about it - I tend not to proofread my posts and I do make lots of typing mistakes. If, when I re-read it, I find bad mistakes I'll edit it, but I'm content with the odd typo or contraction because I know the message is still clear and the typo is obvious.

Effort should still be made, however, to adhere to the basic principles of spelling and grammar so that the rest of us know what the fuck you're on about!
 
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