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Ok, cool, laugh.

"What is the scientific explanation?" is literally the driving question of this entire thread. If we knew, we would not be trying to figure it out.

Brief backstory...
I once had a friend who turned blue and had a grande mal seizure while rolling. She took the same pills as everyone else. Nobody else had an issue. She had rolled many times before and never had an issue. The general consensus amongst people at the party was, "Well, must have just been her body chemistry on that particular day."

That did not make sense to me. It did not fit within the parameters of what was known about MDMA/MDA or what was known about her. It did not make sense that she would all of a sudden have a seizure due to some random state of her body. So, I started researching and asking a lot of questions, and it turned out she had a knee injury and had taken an anti-inflammatory med called celebrex. Celebrex was one of the CYP2D6 inhibitors, and it was not supposed to be taken with any other meds processed with CYP2D6.

There was a scientific reason why she had the seizure that day. It was not randomness.

Just because we have not figured out the precise reason why so many people are having the same subpar reports from MDMA use, does not mean there is no scientific explanation.
 
Le Junk said:
Let me first give you a little background. I'm 51 years old and started doing ecstasy the last year it was legal in 1985. Needless to say the legal ecstasy from the so called "Dallas Group" was nothing short of spectacular. In 1988 I made a connection with someone from the San Francisco area who was in the production field of making MDMA. I have maintained that friendship and connection ever since with only small periods of downtime. The MDMA I get from him is an extremely fine bleach white crystalline powder that is fluffy and lays just like snow. The high from this MDMA takes about 10-15 minutes to take effect and the high is always the same. An extremely smooth come up followed by excessive love and empathy. You will melt into the person you're with and sex is out of this world. Touch and feel is heavenly. Of course the eye wiggles and chattiness etc. The come down is just as smooth as the come up. It drops you off just like a feather and sleep comes like a baby. The next day is nothing short of spectacular. You wake up feeling anti-depressed and chatty. You'll want to talk on the phone, visit friends or just drive around and enjoy the day with the top down. It's all I've ever known as an MDMA experience.

Now that brings me to modern day MDMA. There was a period back in the early 2000's when my connection was down and I scored pills from a local guy. They were great and with some very small exceptions, nearly as good as my crystalline powder. But once again I've been forced to score something locally and the stuff is just plain crap. And I mean crap. I've done both the orange Tesla's and the red Supremes. Absolutely awful, but from reading the trip reports on Pillreports, you would have thought they were the best ever. They're actually anything but. I had both of these pills tested on ecstasydata and both came back as pure MDMA.

Both of them took about 30-40 minutes to kick in and when they did, there was a slight feeling of euphoria and empathy that quickly faded and from there on out it was just a fucked up buzz. There were eye wiggles, but I wasn't feeling good when they were happening. I became extremely tired and kind of gacked out. The high from these pills seemed to last forever, maybe just because they sucked so much. I felt like a crackhead on the comedown and the next day felt like a bad MDA hangover. There was no next day afterglow at all. Just a different kind of fucked up than the night before. And that lasted the entire next day. There is a HUGE giveaway that youre doing todays crappy MDMA. Your pupils will not dialate all the way to the very edge like old school ecstasy. With old school ecstasy your pupils consume literally all of the color in your eye with only a microscopic sliver of color left around the outer edge. With modern day ecstasy your pupils will only dialate to slightly beyond normal if at all. Thats a big giveaway youre doing new school MDMA junk.

Before you jump to the assumption that this Le Junk guy is just old, hes done way to much ecstasy over the course of his lifetime and this is just a matter of tolerance, please re-read my post stating that I still have access to old school MDMA that Ive had since the 1980s. So in one hand I have modern day lab tested MDMA crap and in the other hand, old school MDMA heaven. So tolerance is out the window. Moving forward...

My question is this. Is this the best there is out there today? And since both pills tested on ecstasydata as pure MDMA, what is wrong with MDMA production nowdays? Does anyone else feel what I'm talking about here? My setting is pretty much always the same so that's not it. I always hear people talk about the setting as if that's an issue. With the crystalline powder, it doesn't matter where I am, it's always great. But with these Supremes and Teslas, it's just a sub-par, little euphoria, no real love or empathy, fucked up kinda buzz. Let me put it this way, if this was all that was available to me, I'd quit taking MDMA altogether. Terrible!
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Study and learn how to use the Dark Web. There are a few legit sites that have plenty of 100% pure X.
 
Kaden_Nite said:
I would agree with this, but I think there is still a lot of room for variation. My eyes tend to light up like fireworks on MDMA while I chew gum like I'm sponsored by Wrigley's™.

Some of my friends will have twice as much of the same stuff and sit calmly at their computer messaging people all night.

Sometimes they really like a batch that I thought was a bit mediocre, other times it's the other way around. Then, sometimes there's a batch that everyone seems to rave about and remember forever.
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This is the mindfuck with MDMA, it does warp your perception in a profound way not entirely unlike classic psychdelics. All the times I've had with very good MDMA so happens to coincide with external factors in that experience being very good/fortunate, and experiences with not so great MDMA the external factors were in retrospect unfavorable to some extent. It's not terribly farfetched to hypothesize that unfavorable conditions might hamper our brain from utilizing MDMA properly in a bigger way then we ever considered (I wouldn't underestimate the complexity of how MDMA affects our brain just judging by how powerful of experiences it is capable of creating). Its like the times with the really good MDMA all the factors aligned. Coincidence? Was it the fantastic MDMA that tinted my memory to be nothing less than perfect? Or was it that very perfect set and setting that potentiates MDMA to that fever pitch? maybe MDMA needs a little love to work with, some kindling to get the fire going... it's possible. Taking MDMA with my partner is a far more powerful experience than how I experienced MDMA before meeting this person (although we do both notice difference in batches). It gives me someone i can completely express myself to on MDMA, nothing has to be internalized

I'm still convinced that not all MDMA is created equal, but I do second guess myself with these types of thoughts.
 
MomaDance said:
Study and learn how to use the Dark Web. There are a few legit sites that have plenty of 100% pure X.
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You have posted a response that makes it clear that you either have not bothered read Le Junk's post, or failed to understand its content.
If you do read it, you will see that he can call a friend and buy MDMA if he needs it, and that it is very good, and that he discovered by accident there was some shit MDMA around that does not even feel like it is the same drug.
And he started this thread to discuss how all this is possible.
Do you really think that after 117 pages and 2321 posts nobody had brought up the existence of darknet markets and if they actually sell proper MDMA.
 
Hilopsilo said:
Its like the times with the really good MDMA all the factors aligned. Coincidence
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I know exactly where you are coming from here, but I really believe that this may be an illusion. I would suggest that everything aligned, because- that IS the magic of true MDMA.

Reality is to be created after all, not just perceived. It is being perceived and created simultaneously at every moment.

I would even suggest the creating is the main part because that is taking place automatically and infinitely, our perception relies on our consciousness and mental faculties.

So with magic MDMA, the world we view, live in, create...is just in total harmonic order. We dont perceive problems, therefore we don't create them.

We see solutions, past problems which in that magical blissful state, we cannot even see or recall.

Hence they can simply drop off the face of existence. With ropes and ties permanently severed. But no need or conditioning to revisit or recur.

I believe it is this aspect and mechanism of the MDMA experience which can be so healing, releasing and transforming. It just sets the stage for an automatic "wiping" of a load of pointless, stuck, negative shit that doesn't need to be there.

So the way you describe your experiences @Hilopsilo makes me feel that no, no coincidence, but the illusion of a coincidence owing to the way MDMA just creates a magical world which is basically real, in that we experience it and gain astonishing benefit and insight and healing.

And the MEHDMA just doesn't have what is required to automatically put us onto that world, consciousness, wavelegth, reality.

So that you have to work very hard, consciously, before hand, during and then even afterwards with thinking back in a tense, somewhat unsettled and perplexed, almost disjointed fashion, trying to piece things together again to make sense of the experience on the whole and what was good or right about it, and what was not.

None of this should be necessary of apparent with magic MDMA, IMO.

That is my theory on this potentially illusory phenomenon of the starrs aligning on magic MDMA and not MEHDMA.
 
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Yep, I am with AutoTripper here, when I ingest proper MDMA every single thing is perfectly timed in a perfect context created for that thing to happen just in that way.
Which is literally how things go in reality, but we just don't perceive it in that way.
In instance, every single drop of rain condensates from a cloud just to be carried by the wind and the force of gravity towards the ground, and in the moment of the impact the purpose of the ground it falls on was exactly to be there for that drop to fall, and so on.
 
Phobos said:
Yep, I am with AutoTripper here, when I ingest proper MDMA every single thing is perfectly timed in a perfect context created for that thing to happen just in that way.
Which is literally how things go in reality, but we just don't perceive it in that way.
In instance, every single drop of rain condensates from a cloud just to be carried by the wind and the force of gravity towards the ground, and in the moment of the impact the purpose of the ground it falls on was exactly to be there for that drop to fall, and so on.
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I think you're on fuckin drugs pal... ;)
 
While I appreciate the spiritual musings, I don't know that I buy it (that mind/mood controls the MDMA experience).

One of the most memorable MDMA experiences I had involved one of the worst nights of my life. I was 20 years old, and married to my first husband. A few days prior, he had run off to go try to fuck an ex-girlfriend. I was absolutely miserable and in a shit mood. We had been invited to a party, and we were not going to go because of all the personal drama and bullshit. But, friends were calling and asking us to come, so we decided we would "make an appearance" and then leave.

Took a pill after I got there. These pills were not even rumored to be that good. Just average, mid-strength pills. Ended up rolling all night. Had a badass time. Ended up naked in bed with a girl. Fantastic vibes and a very memorable, empathetic, touchy-feely, music sounds ahmazing experience.

It was not because I was in a good headspace. I was in a terrible headspace. I was depressed. I had been crying for two weeks. I'm sure I walked in with resting bitch face. Based on my mood and what was going on in my life, it should have been a terrible time, but it wasn't. The point that the tide turned was the moment that the pill hit. The pill brought the positive vibe to the evening, because there was sure as hell no positive vibe before that.
 
indigoaura said:
While I appreciate the spiritual musings, I don't know that I buy it (that mind/mood controls the MDMA experience).

One of the most memorable MDMA experiences I had involved one of the worst nights of my life. I was 20 years old, and married to my first husband. A few days prior, he had run off to go try to fuck an ex-girlfriend. I was absolutely miserable and in a shit mood. We had been invited to a party, and we were not going to go because of all the personal drama and bullshit. But, friends were calling and asking us to come, so we decided we would "make an appearance" and then leave.

Took a pill after I got there. These pills were not even rumored to be that good. Just average, mid-strength pills. Ended up rolling all night. Had a badass time. Ended up naked in bed with a girl. Fantastic vibes and a very memorable, empathetic, touchy-feely, music sounds ahmazing experience.

It was not because I was in a good headspace. I was in a terrible headspace. I was depressed. I had been crying for two weeks. I'm sure I walked in with resting bitch face. Based on my mood and what was going on in my life, it should have been a terrible time, but it wasn't. The point that the tide turned was the moment that the pill hit. The pill brought the positive vibe to the evening, because there was sure as hell no positive vibe before that.
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Flip side indigo, it was super fun for you this time, cause when you got cheated on, you went into full "fun/fuck it" mindset. Which = Good roll. (YMMV, im just poking a little fun. Sounds like a GREAT!!! night) HOT
 
Mmmmh eye wiggles. Why is trying to look at your optical nerve so pleasurable?
Never figured that one out.
 
indigoaura said:
While I appreciate the spiritual musings, I don't know that I buy it (that mind/mood controls the MDMA experience).

One of the most memorable MDMA experiences I had involved one of the worst nights of my life. I was 20 years old, and married to my first husband. A few days prior, he had run off to go try to fuck an ex-girlfriend. I was absolutely miserable and in a shit mood. We had been invited to a party, and we were not going to go because of all the personal drama and bullshit. But, friends were calling and asking us to come, so we decided we would "make an appearance" and then leave.

Took a pill after I got there. These pills were not even rumored to be that good. Just average, mid-strength pills. Ended up rolling all night. Had a badass time. Ended up naked in bed with a girl. Fantastic vibes and a very memorable, empathetic, touchy-feely, music sounds ahmazing experience.

It was not because I was in a good headspace. I was in a terrible headspace. I was depressed. I had been crying for two weeks. I'm sure I walked in with resting bitch face. Based on my mood and what was going on in my life, it should have been a terrible time, but it wasn't. The point that the tide turned was the moment that the pill hit. The pill brought the positive vibe to the evening, because there was sure as hell no positive vibe before that.
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Hey. That's a really great story and perfect example of how MDMA can work on the psyche mind and imagination to literally unlock potential to completely change how you look at something and feel about a certain situation in life.

It sounds from your description as though you effectively at the time completely resolved and cleared the emotional harm ma and conditioning, fear etc, and simply all negativity and obstacle, from your field of vision and mind.

It's like a fast-rack crash course program to say- Okay, here is where I am today. I see it. I feel it. I didn't like that...this is sort if...okay then so....and.....alright that is how it is then I'm completely ok with that and this is where I am heading next..."

sort of process. Except it is all real, it truly can work to help you instantly see past mountains without, accepting a new way of thinking and feeling an instant without ties or anchors to the past.

I'm real sorry @indigoaura if this is patronizing, Im speaking generally, of course it is silly to suggest that that whole situation was easy for you thereafter. I didn't mean it like that, but I do admire your strength to rise above it and keep your focus throughout.

But it does sound as though the MDMA instigated a dramatic shift and change of consciousness, and I get the feeling from the way you talk about and describe it, that this was a positive and releasing experience with lasting effects?

I do question now, in such an unideal setting and mind/emotion frame- ( from the general impression I have picked up from you all ) could MEHDMA have such a "piercing" positive effect on the situation and mindset of the individual in question?

I would suggest that the opposite would be more likely and that the situation would only be made worse possibly by the MEHDMA.
 
Not patronizing at all @AutoTripper.

I don't think MehDMA would have had that effect. I think I would have gotten even more caught up in negative thoughts, and brooded on a couch, and then left.

Did it result in a permanent shift in consciousness? I don't know. It allowed me to live in the moment for the night, and focus on the sensory satisfaction of the ever present now. The ex and I swept our problems under the rug for a few months, but I moved out within the year.

There were other times back then where I would take a pill that just did not "do it" and then follow up with a pill from a trusted supply and roll just fine. All within the same night. Obviously, back then, the pill that did not "do it" could have just been weak/bunk, but maybe some of it was MehDMA even then. Who knows. But, being in a bad mood never seemed to prevent an amazing roll. The comedown may be worse later, but the roll itself was still good.
 
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