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I really wonder if what I had access to in 2000-2005 was the 90s product, because it lasted longer and it made you want to dance/gave you energy. It re-dosed well. There were pills that felt different and were shorter (as I have mentioned). Maybe those were made with other methods. If I could read over my pill reports, I would be better able to say what happened in the reagent reactions, but I emailed pillreports and they said they can no longer access those old reports.
 
Also...happy 100th birthday to our thread! <3

I had no comedown this week. No depression. No blue Tuesday. No emo feelings. Felt queasy on Monday and a tiny bit queasy on Tuesday, and that was it.
 
indigoaura said:
Also...happy 100th birthday to our thread! <3

I had no comedown this week. No depression. No blue Tuesday. No emo feelings. Felt queasy on Monday and a tiny bit queasy on Tuesday, and that was it.
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Very nice to hear that your comedown was virtually absent. Although, you strike me as being very level emotionally so as to be better at managing the mental/emotional rollercoaster that we all know MDMA can be.

I also concur- i was going to say there was nothing missing, but who knows, maybe the drug did change subtly after 99, is not necessarily in a bad way as @G_Chem suggests.

There was certainly nothing wrong with what I was taking between 99 and 2005 if anything I generally took much better quality ecstasy on average during that period then I did between 1996 and 99.

A particular batch of smiley faces which came out late 2001 I believe were some of the absolute best I ever came across in every sense- in particular that pure, lively, ecstatic, seemingly infinite energy for dancing and life. Full on empathy. No edge, just the real deal.

That was ecstasy. It made you be that way. It was as transformational and impactful as a trip.

Sorry, sidetracked again. But yes no reason I guess why they couldn't have been made from 90s manufactured MDMA.

In 2004/5 there were so many top draw e's around. However it was being produced at the time I definitely was finding no problem with the substance but it's still a very interesting notion to think that there may have been some alteration in 1999 to the production and hence subjective effects which went completely under the radar in terms of collective perception.
 
Yeah, I consider myself pretty emotionally level. But, when I was young, my comedowns from ecstasy were just as distinct and notable as the rolls themselves. I had intense fluctuations in emotion. Always predictably mid-week after the roll, Tues-Weds. Then it would bounce back and I would get a flood of normalcy towards the end of the week. No-matter how much I knew that the comedown was likely to make me irrational, I still thought my feelings were completely rational at the time. I still remember one post NYE comedown where I started FREAKING OUT about the Christmas tree needles on the carpet. I desperately needed to vacuum them, and I started calling everyone I knew wanting to borrow their vacuum cleaner. But, problem was, everyone I knew was just as cracked out as me and not about to drive over to my apartment with a vacuum cleaner. Ha! I can't remember who saved me and eventually brought one over, but I still remember the desperation of that moment.
 
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Yeah, I consider myself pretty emotionally level. But, when I was young, my comedowns from ecstasy were just as distinct and notable as the rolls themselves. I had intense fluctuations in emotion. Always predictably mid-week after the roll, Tues-Weds. Then it would bounce back and I would get a flood of normalcy towards the end of the week. No-matter how much I knew that the comedown was likely to make me irrational, I still thought my feelings were completely rational at the time. I still remember one post NYE comedown where I started FREAKING OUT about the Christmas tree needles on the carpet. I desperately needed to vacuum them, and I started calling everyone I knew wanting to borrow their vacuum cleaner. But, problem was, everyone I knew was just as cracked out as me and not about to drive over to my apartment with a vacuum cleaner. Ha! I can't remember who saved me and eventually brought one over, but I still remember the desperation of that moment.
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Well verbalised, the concept of rationalisation could not be more fitting. I have experienced exactly the same pattern through the week after MDMA as you describe. And indeed it was purely chemical and in no way a mind over matter affair, we're all you could do was literally try not to pull your hair out and blow your house down and wait for it to pass for those clear skies again on the other side.
 
The lack of a typical comedown is another indicator that something different is happening here. I have been wondering lately if it is possible that tolerance has more to do with the liver than the brain. Could the liver be metabolizing the drug faster or differently?
 
Well as they say- "What goes up..."

I was thinking before how the lack of a comedown is the perc of not actually coming up properly. Not truly anyway.
People are clearly coming up differently, into a different high.

It fits in my mind that this may well be related to the subjective, and maybe the biological nature of the experience, not necessarily the liver. So if anything, not suffering as much through your comedown is a bonus and partial justice.

I mean, it would be much worse to be experiencing that knife-edge intense heart churning emotional see-saw, without the true glorious magic. Is it simply the huge and sharp contrast of emotions, to the biological blues, from that mountain top of wonder, which causes that midweek emotional near-despair we have talked about?

I do think there is a strong emotional, psychological link to the extreme emotional state. As it seems nobody may be truly reaching that place, it is a least a small justice if that means they are let off with the emotional comedown intensity.
 
Here lately... well for a long time actually... the extascy pills have just been trash. Basically like meth pretty much. A friend of mine hollered at me late last night and he brought some green spongebob x pills... About 30 or so mins after I took one I. WAS. THROWED. I'm 40 and don't do it often but the last time I rolled that hard was a music festival in 1999! Ok... so let me tell you exactly what all happened last night and up to early afternoon... ??????????↗???????????????????????????????⚖???✌??♻??????☯???????☃?????????????☮???????
 
MoonShadow9 said:
Here lately... well for a long time actually... the extascy pills have just been trash. Basically like meth pretty much. A friend of mine hollered at me late last night and he brought some green spongebob x pills... About 30 or so mins after I took one I. WAS. THROWED. I'm 40 and don't do it often but the last time I rolled that hard was a music festival in 1999! Ok... so let me tell you exactly what all happened last night and up to early afternoon... ??????????↗???????????????????????????????⚖???✌??♻??????☯???????☃?????????????☮???????
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Like this one?

www.ecstasydata.org

DrugsData.org (was EcstasyData): Test Details : Result #6600 - Spongebob, 6600

DrugsData (EcstasyData) lab testing result
www.ecstasydata.org www.ecstasydata.org
 
Notice the synthesis byproducts... If only we knew which ones and if they are active.

-GC
 
I clicked on the highlighted "synthesis byproducts", to see all the results over time.
At first I thought crikey, lots of pills with extra synth impurities vs others.

But then I saw there is only 1 page of results, so I guess it isnt that common on the scale of things.

Hey- I'm just wondering how much these synthesis by products may actually contribute to the effects maybe even some of the better experiences we've had have been boosted by this? Cant rule it out at least.

Im glad not to see my Bowsers in there anyway, I really need my product to be as pure and uncontaminated as possible.

Incidentally, I came across a Reddit post where someone tests one of the gold Bowsers. He suspected it so tested for the first time ever.

I asked about his experience, Im AlexisReal on Reddit if you want to see his response to me.


Hope everybody is doing well. A rainy Saturday here in UK.
 
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I clicked on the highlighted "synthesis byproducts", to see all the results over time.
At first I thought crikey, lots of pills with extra synth impurities vs others.

But then I saw there is only 1 page of results, so I guess it isnt that common on the scale of things.

Hey- I'm just wondering how much these synthesis by products may actually contribute to the effects maybe even some of the better experiences we've had have been boosted by this? Cant rule it out at least.

Im glad not to see my Bowsers in there anyway, I really need my product to be as pure and uncontaminated as possible.

Incidentally, I came across a Reddit post where someone tests one of the gold Bowsers. He suspected it so tested for the first time ever.

I asked about his experience, Im AlexisReal on Reddit if you want to see his response to me.


Hope everybody is doing well. A rainy Saturday here in UK.
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You really dont need to worry too much about the bowsers. Lower your anxiety, those are pure dutch mdma. supposedly the best on the market now. You are gonna have to let us know your thoughts. haha
 
epic11 said:
You really dont need to worry too much about the bowsers. Lower your anxiety, those are pure dutch mdma. supposedly the best on the market now. You are gonna have to let us know your thoughts. haha
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Yes I know. I feel I lucked out to get a pretty pure press, not hard shiny glary glitter.
But no matter what I am guaranteed to react adversely to probably every substance in the pill in some way or other unless I plug it which should negate all of those reactions.

Im a little step closer to it now after a much needed but excruciatingly difficult trip on 1plsd yesterday purely for the sake of verifying some legal microdosing product supply my mum and I have recently obtained from Germany while it was still legal before July.

Amidst a few scattered reports of blank cardboard being received my anxiety has been sky-high incase this had happened to us.

In which case I really needed to know ASAP while there would be time to do something about it and I have been in such an unbearable physical and mental condition I really could not face tripping like that, especially feeling forced into it by myself in the most anxious and unprepared frame of mind you could enter a trip with.

The product works as advertised to my relief and also my dismay has I had to ride out the trip in that state.

Long story short it didn't take very long before my head was completely sorted out leaving only my body in the most dire condition it could feeling with exhaustion and pain and stomach upset and respiratory symptoms you name it.

Quite an amazing experience though to feel so in need of euthanasia lol physically but so completely sorted in the head, with really positive and deep emotional healing and release occurring automatically.

So the trip has definitely paid off in helping me release some significant shackles from my mind and look forward with more optimism and much better problem solving ability.
I am absolutely determined to get myself into a right condition to live life first and foremost and hopefully in the process to be able to approach my MDMA experience, which very well maybe in combination with a trip because it has always felt so remarkably write to me when I'm in that perfectly centered and high LSD headspace, to then slip so magically into the world of MDMA.

But we'll see. I really think the plugging may be better for me if I can get on top of my IBS bowel and gut traffic jam issues.
 
Hm, skimmed through the last couple dozen pages. No new info really?

In a month it'll be a year since i last rolled, year since I had that transparent white crystal stuff that rocked my world. Been feeling rather anxious that I won't be able to find anything like that and my yearly "reset" won't live up to my expectations... My friend who originally obtained that MagicDMA recently got a batch of some clear crystal stuff though, hard to tell though since its in much finer pieces but just like the MagicDMA its odorless and white/clear. That MagicDMA you could hold a rock up to your eye and more or less see through it like a damn window, don't ahve large enough pieces of this stuff to try that. My other friend who's on the same page about all this tried 75mg of it the other weekend and said it was "pretty good but maybe not THE stuff", we bicker constantly about drug related stuff and I insisted that if his normal dosage is 150mg how the fuck is he supposed to make any real judgments off of 75mg. I'm adamant that in order to make any real conclusion at the very least the by-weight dosage needs to stay constant. Although, when I ate my fucking words about how "all MDMA is the same blah blah blah" on that come-up of a lifetime with the MagicDMA last year, he was the one who punched me in the shoulder saying "DUDE I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO AHAHHA" going by just the look on my face lmao. He believes currently that all MDMA is just on a spectrum, I agree partly, but I think when its the magic stuff its on a level of its own. Not that its a black & white issue, one or the other entirely, but when you know, you know... EDIT: He and many others tried full doses of this stuff this past weekend, they have all reported back that it is indeed 100% the magic stuff and were quite ecstatic to tell me their findings! Not a doubt in any of their minds.

Was at a party with a nitrous tank and he was insisting that the nitrous from the chargers was stronger, so I filled up 3 balloons, didn't tell him which had the tank or which was out of a charger, or if any of them were either, and after much deliberation he did guess correctly... But, he concedes that he really had to think about it, it wasn't such an obvious difference that he could answer with 100% confidence, so i consider myself the winner of that debate ;)

r/mdma is such a shit show, people posting MDMA thats just plain clear white crystal and all the comments telling them its meth and they should throw it out, and im here screaming behind my computer screen "NO NO NO, YOU IDIOTS, THAT COULD BE *IT*"

Even after a year, if I listen to a song that was played that magical night, or watch a video someone took of that specific set at that festival on youtube, I get CRAZY goosebumps and butterflies, almost shaky but in a good way. videos/music from that first night with the crappy MDMA (that tested equally as good on IR and NMR), i feel nothing, maybe even some negative feelings about how disappointing it was.

I fear we won't find anything else out until we somehow get ahold of some sort of inside info from those closer to the production.

EDIT: I wonder if MDMA comedown symptoms are genetic in any way. My younger sibling, who has had little to no experience with drugs at all other than drinking, told me that they tried MDMA for the first time a week ago and that they were surprised at how good they felt the next day and following days. I have no idea the quality of MDMA they took or anything, but its funny since that was one of the main things I noticed the first time I rolled; the afterglow and virtually non-existent negative comedown symptoms. To this day I have yet to experience any negative comedown/hangover from MehDMA and MagicDMA alike, just a gentle dissipation of the effects and return to reality. But as I've said many times, I've never overdone it with MDMA; have only ever taken 100mg at once, never redosed, and taking 100mg two days in a row with large breaks on either side is about as reckless as I've gotten with the stuff. Works just as well as it did 9 years ago so long as its the MagicDMA
 
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Hi Everyone,

I have some updates of interest.

First of all, although I did not have a bad comedown the following week after my roll, I did have a pretty prolonged state of malaise/low level anxiety leading up to my period. I have noticed that before. Depending on when I roll in my cycle, I can get an intensified PMS. No fun. Way better for me to roll on days 5-10 of my cycle, and not mess with it after that.

I was at a party this past weekend. I had some of the local product with me. This is the product that is supposedly made in Mexico. It tested good, but on NYE, I found the effects lackluster.

One friend of mine, a middle aged male, took 160 mg to start and described it as "better than the 90s." However, I watched his pupils all night and never saw much dilation at all.

There was another couple at the event. The girl had never rolled before. She was young, 23, and small. This couple had brought a pill with them. I smelled it and did not smell like anything. It was a Rollex pill in the shape of a crown, and it looked like a re-press to me (different colors swirled together). I expected it was crap, but that was out of my hands. I did not have a test kit with me to test it.

They split that pill and it had no effect. Two hours later, they asked me if they could try some of the other stuff.

I was not thrilled with this idea because I don't like to mix different products. I also really wished they would have just done the Mexican stuff first, because it would have been a more pure experiment that way. But, that was not my decision and was out of my hands.

In any case, what I got to witness was a first time roller taking 120 mg of the Mexican product. I would guess she maybe weighed 110 lbs.

She vomited on the come-up around the 1 hour mark.

After that, she started talking. She said she kept thinking about sad things that had happened in her life, and she could not stop focusing on those things. She talked at length about several deaths and family traumas. She talked for well over 6 hours NONSTOP. (I am not exaggerating. She never once stopped talking.)

I asked her several times if she felt good, but that did not seem to be the case. She was very fixated on these bad things that had happened in her life. When her boyfriend came up to her and tried to touch her, she would push him away. She did not want to be rubbed or touched. She made several efforts to withdraw from the group and seek solitude. After over 6 hours, she abruptly announced that it was over, she stopped talking, and she went to bed shortly thereafter.

I watched her pupils and I never saw full dilation. I watched her boyfriend's pupils and never saw full dilation either.

Obviously, her experience was a confessional one because she shared a lot of family secrets she said she had never told anyone before. This is a quality I recall from early MDMA experiences. However, I never had an experience where I fixated on negative memories for 6 hours. She also clearly lacked any body high or sensual sensations.

What do you make of this? This is a product that tested as MDMA on 4 different reagent testing kits.

In other news, I did half a hit of LSD and did not have any paranoia (an issue I have faced recently), but had the same next day queasy feeling I have been getting with X. Not as serious as I have had with the X, but still very similar. I am starting to think that second day nausea is something going on with my body, maybe something hormonal.
 
indigoaura said:
Obviously, her experience was a confessional one because she shared a lot of family secrets she said she had never told anyone before. This is a quality I recall from early MDMA experiences. However, I never had an experience where I fixated on negative memories for 6 hours. She also clearly lacked any body high or sensual sensations.

What do you make of this? This is a product that tested as MDMA on 4 different reagent testing kits.
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This is reminiscent of my MehDMA experiences. An odd mix of tell-tale signs of MDMA with more negative, not so loving nor blissful flavors in the experience.
 
indigoaura said:
Hi Everyone,

I have some updates of interest.

First of all, although I did not have a bad comedown the following week after my roll, I did have a pretty prolonged state of malaise/low level anxiety leading up to my period. I have noticed that before. Depending on when I roll in my cycle, I can get an intensified PMS. No fun. Way better for me to roll on days 5-10 of my cycle, and not mess with it after that.

I was at a party this past weekend. I had some of the local product with me. This is the product that is supposedly made in Mexico. It tested good, but on NYE, I found the effects lackluster.

One friend of mine, a middle aged male, took 160 mg to start and described it as "better than the 90s." However, I watched his pupils all night and never saw much dilation at all.

There was another couple at the event. The girl had never rolled before. She was young, 23, and small. This couple had brought a pill with them. I smelled it and did not smell like anything. It was a Rollex pill in the shape of a crown, and it looked like a re-press to me (different colors swirled together). I expected it was crap, but that was out of my hands. I did not have a test kit with me to test it.

They split that pill and it had no effect. Two hours later, they asked me if they could try some of the other stuff.

I was not thrilled with this idea because I don't like to mix different products. I also really wished they would have just done the Mexican stuff first, because it would have been a more pure experiment that way. But, that was not my decision and was out of my hands.

In any case, what I got to witness was a first time roller taking 120 mg of the Mexican product. I would guess she maybe weighed 110 lbs.

She vomited on the come-up around the 1 hour mark.

After that, she started talking. She said she kept thinking about sad things that had happened in her life, and she could not stop focusing on those things. She talked at length about several deaths and family traumas. She talked for well over 6 hours NONSTOP. (I am not exaggerating. She never once stopped talking.)

I asked her several times if she felt good, but that did not seem to be the case. She was very fixated on these bad things that had happened in her life. When her boyfriend came up to her and tried to touch her, she would push him away. She did not want to be rubbed or touched. She made several efforts to withdraw from the group and seek solitude. After over 6 hours, she abruptly announced that it was over, she stopped talking, and she went to bed shortly thereafter.

I watched her pupils and I never saw full dilation. I watched her boyfriend's pupils and never saw full dilation either.

Obviously, her experience was a confessional one because she shared a lot of family secrets she said she had never told anyone before. This is a quality I recall from early MDMA experiences. However, I never had an experience where I fixated on negative memories for 6 hours. She also clearly lacked any body high or sensual sensations.

What do you make of this? This is a product that tested as MDMA on 4 different reagent testing kits.

In other news, I did half a hit of LSD and did not have any paranoia (an issue I have faced recently), but had the same next day queasy feeling I have been getting with X. Not as serious as I have had with the X, but still very similar. I am starting to think that second day nausea is something going on with my body, maybe something hormonal.
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damn, that girl sounds like such a buzz killer. Anyway those pills as you describe them don't even sound like they contained any Meh-DMA at all, more like meth to me. And I wouldn't party with that girl ever again if I was u...
 
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Aw...the girl was okay. I felt bad for her. She went into it wanting to have a great time, she did not expect that.

Yeah, the pills that they had sounded either totally bunk to me or some kind of speed. Obviously, the fact that she took 1/2 of one of those pills kind of ruins the experiment. However, to me, it just further supports the idea that something is not right with the product, because good MDMA should have had that girl blowing up and loving life NOT fixated on past trauma. There was no love or bliss, as Psy997 commented on.

I mean, come on people. If that was what our first MDMA experience was like we would not have been back for more.
 
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