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This link is a goddamn gold mine.. The first/oldest page pretty much confirmed my suspicions. Notice how most of the reactions are black/blue whereas the few purple to black ones are met with skepticism.

I should mention I personally have never seen a Marquis reaction like that. And since the Leuckart has pretty much died out I may never. I have seen a few people on reddit ask about it though so I do believe thecstuff is still out there. (Note: I’m not saying Leuckart is the ideal product, I don’t know that, but I believe it’s one route that produces product many people really enjoy.)

Yea the thing that tells me rolls lasted longer back then is the length of raves. I feel like in the 90’s, raves and events lasted a lot longer. Could be a number of factors related to that though..

-GC
 
@AutoTripper Thanks for posting the Nicholas Saunders ecstasy.org website! I used to love this site back in the day, and I forgot that they had user reports listed on the page. So many pills that I recall!

Scroll down here, and you will see the report for Pink Elephants: "kicked in very intense, had me horny as a mother fucker, and feeling touchy good roll." I had those too.

And, you see a lot of people talking about the sense of touch and loved up feeling, as well as coming up fast. That is all what I remember.
 
Check this out:

www.ecstasydata.org

DrugsData.org (was EcstasyData): Test Details : Result #7472 - Tesla, 7472

DrugsData (EcstasyData) lab testing result
www.ecstasydata.org www.ecstasydata.org

Three unidentified substances make up the majority of the pill, with a minimal amount of MDMA in the pill.

"This sample contains an unidentified chemical. We do not have a matching substance in our lab's internal database and have not yet been able to confirm the chemicals' identity by using outside sources.

We need the help of outside expert analytical chemists and drug geeks to determine what substance matches the mass spectrum (MS) fingerprint. The lab's GC/MS output graphs can be viewed by clicking on the thumbnails on this page."

Hypothetically, if a pill was half an unidentified substance and half MDMA, it would probably still turn the test kits black. There are quite a few WEIRD test results on there. What the hell is methylsulfonylmethane?
 
indigoaura said:
Check this out:

www.ecstasydata.org

DrugsData.org (was EcstasyData): Test Details : Result #7472 - Tesla, 7472

DrugsData (EcstasyData) lab testing result
www.ecstasydata.org www.ecstasydata.org

Three unidentified substances make up the majority of the pill, with a minimal amount of MDMA in the pill.

"This sample contains an unidentified chemical. We do not have a matching substance in our lab's internal database and have not yet been able to confirm the chemicals' identity by using outside sources.

We need the help of outside expert analytical chemists and drug geeks to determine what substance matches the mass spectrum (MS) fingerprint. The lab's GC/MS output graphs can be viewed by clicking on the thumbnails on this page."

Hypothetically, if a pill was half an unidentified substance and half MDMA, it would probably still turn the test kits black. There are quite a few WEIRD test results on there. What the hell is methylsulfonylmethane?
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Simply a trash pill. Its pills that are testing for pure mdma and molly testing pure thats causing the "meh dma" feelings. This wouldnt apply to the threads purpose in my opinion.

Methylsulfonylmethane is msm. Used in a lot of msm condroitin supplements. Its pretty harmless. Used for joint health mainly.
 
@epic11 IMO, it is relevant because it demonstrates that they are not able to identify everything, and their catalog of substances is clearly not a complete catalog.
 
epic11 said:
Methylsulfonylmethane is msm.
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It is used to cut meth as it burns clean (although at a lower temperature) and can form large shards. Seems to be showing up in MDMA and ketamine lately too, probably to turn powder/small crystals into rocks.
 
As for the reactions...I do not recall the nuances of all of my marquis reactions. I do know that I bought a kit within the first couple of times I rolled, but I was inexperienced with it. A DXM reaction looked right to me on my second roll. After the fact, I realized that the small amount of smoking was indicative of a problem.

As for how long the rolls lasted...4-6 hours is what I recall for a "good" roll. There were times, however, where the pills were okay and the roll was super short. I specifically remember some pink pills with RR on the pill. They were very tiny pills. The roll was really loved up (I talked to my teddy bear...) but it was over FAST. I thought it was odd at the time, how short that roll was, but it felt really clean. But, the best experience I ever had was on HALF of a red mickey mouse pill. That lasted me ALL NIGHT. It went until the party was over. No need to re-dose at all (and, good, because we did not have any more than that).

My habits may not have been ideal. However, I never double dropped to start. Ever. I never rolled back to back on the same weekend, or even two weekends in a row. So, my usage always involved one pill to start, or a half pill to start. The 4-6 hour was from the initial come-up off one pill.
 
@Kaden_Nite You said, "I don't enjoy alcohol like I did when I was sixteen, a lot of people say the same about weed, coke, meth, acid and every other drug." But, that is not the point. Whether you enjoy it as much as you used to or not, if you drank 5 shots, you would still get drunk. If you bought a bottle of vodka, and drank 5 shots, but did NOT get drunk, you would know without a doubt that something was wrong with your vodka.

Vendors may not be using the term, "losing the magic," but if an old-roller buys a product and does not really roll, then everyone is likely to say "Oh, you just lost the magic." New rollers may not know the difference, so they think the product is fine. So, it is an easy way for shit product to get sold.
 
indigoaura said:
Whether you enjoy it as much as you used to or not, if you drank 5 shots, you would still get drunk. If you bought a bottle of vodka, and drank 5 shots, but did NOT get drunk, you would know without a doubt that something was wrong with your vodka.
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I used to drink; feel energetic, talkative, sit up all night laughing. Now, it just makes me feel lethargic, bored. Still gets me drunk of course, it's just different now.

The difference is pretty much spot on to what you claim is the difference between these 'types' of MDMA.

Chemically, MDMA is MDMA. Street-grade stuff is often not the best quality (synthesis impurities, cuts, possibly adulterated) but underneath the grime, it's all just MDMA.
 
Especially since newbies note the same differences, and they don't have a tolerance yet.
 
epic11 said:
Here is an exact pill that caused the "meh dma" feelings for me. mdma only.

Side note: The "cp" pills are supposedly supposed to be the best out at the moment. I question that. haha
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Im not questioning anything you are saying, but just wanted to note it isva much smaller pill than the "All the rage" 200mg+ pills tyoucally are. At just 324mg, if less than half is MDMA, likely below 150 mg at least- that could have been a factor and maybe not a totally fair comparison to a 220mg + equivalent. But like I say not disagreeing with you.
indigoaura said:
IMO, it is relevant because it demonstrates that they are not able to identify everything, and their catalog of substances is clearly not a complete catalog.
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I think, at least, it is reassuring that they have at least detected various other substances alongside the MDMA. I mean there are plenty of similar reports mixed in over the years among the consistent numbers of clean MDMA pills with no other active or unidentified substances detected.

So Im just thinking...gosh too stoned again on vapor and edibles...okay, Im not sure now haha. But that's one other thing I really love about this place barely any egos so you never feel like you need to explain or justify yourself.

I think I'll just leave it there while I continue to catch up on the remaining posts above.
 
@G_Chem hold the press! This is what I was looking for earlier on that pill report site, but I just couldnt navigate my way to these pages. I knew I had seen them, but I had no idea how or from where, and I didnt have any luck within the site.

So I googled my way in through the back door, et voila:


This is the real cream of most interest to me. Im not sure if it will be possible to find the links to all other time periods from this page yet, but I will be sure to check and link anything else I can find if necessary.

Edit- getting there:
 
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G_Chem said:
Shit man I had the link to the page that gives you the rest of the results your seeking from 95 or so 98 I believe. I’ll look quick..

Is this what your looking for?


Here’s another that’s helpful..


-GC
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Thanks and cool, another very useful and informative document to browse through.

I did find the other main page you linked me and included it in my post above. That site does confuse me. Thank god for google.

What struck out at me when I first encountered these pages was the near predominance of MDE from the Mid-90's.

I expect MDE featured very frequently in early 90's pills too. I was thinking that if MDE prevalence stepped up a lot from 95 onwards, this would have certainly been a factor in drum and bass gaining popularity alongside the Hardcore at the legal raves we used to attend.

Arguably better matched to the more mellow, sombre, detached musical rythym.
 
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After reading over that page you linked AutoTripper, I’ve been able to more narrow in on exactly when the Leuckart went out of fashion in 1999.

As I theorized, the change (unlike the more recent one around 2010) back then wasn’t rrally a bad one per se just different. I seem to have hit it right on the head the differences too.

MDMA of the early to late 90’s was longer lasting and more energizing or “dancey.” It appears a pill was measured on how long and hard it made you want to dance. They also redosed better.

I’m interested to hear if any of us ever comes across a batch that tests black to dark blue like the old pills. If you do, please be cognizant of what’s happening while your on it! Write some damn notes lol.

-GC
 
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