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What do you think of the needle?

"I objected to having to share my gear every time I wanted a dig so got over my phobia and taught myself how to do it."

=D

I've had "bad" people do it for me in the past, drunk & on Benzo's etc etc, some were just not that fussed really where they went, I am sure you know the ind of people from what I have read, you sound like you know the "gear" life so there is no need to say much to you as I am sure you know the picture better than most on here.

I didn't mean to be rude btw, just giving my view :)
 
And everybody is entitled to one :)

I did indeed know a few folk who were less than gentle and considerate when injecting others. In fact that would apply to probably the majority I knew who injected others. Once they're sorted they don't give a shit and if they're yet to be sorted they just want to get it over with so also don't give a shit. I suspect this is why I was so highly paid for my services - and I was highly paid. Beats shoplifting and burglary... not that I didn't do those as well 8)

(actually only the shoplifting - burglary was not my thing)

I'm tempted to ask if you happen to know any good looking swans...
 
Ha! You and Sammy will get along just fine then :D

I was thinking more of ancient bestiality-cum-deityrape...

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Come to think of it, just the act of going out and scoring -- especially if you pick it up in the same place, and from the same person, every time -- is pretty addicting.

Says she, who knows every comforting click and every jolt along a certain stretch of railway .....
 
Very true. You do tend to fetishise almost every aspect of acquiring, prepping and using your DoC when in Addictville. I know I certainly did. Almost like rituals you have to do the same each time. Like I had (and indeed still have) my special spoon and I could only use my tourniquet (a rope dog lead) to the point I couldn't seem to ever get a vein if I had to use somebody else's. Like my body decided something wasn't quite right so it wasn't gonna play along. It really does affect your whole life and your whole being when you're addicted. Affects and influences - overshadows - everything.
 
At the moment I am thinking .


Shall I have a pipe n a toot or a snowball . I have all the different gauges of needles from yer 1ml insulin to the Fukin dart that is the

21gauge 1 1/2 "green 0,8x 40mm .

Decisions :\
 
Went with the dart hit it one time just had to go in at a slightly different angle .

Seeing as this is needle talk who else agrees with me that , getting a vein n registering etc is all about feel rather than site ?

I have been Fukin with needles for to long ( 22 years ) n am pretty darn good I da reckon .

My downfall n I expect other UK iv long timers to resonate is not my technique but all the shit that we have to put in our tak.

I wish I knew how little acid was needed to breakdown decent gear back in the day . That info wasn't around , Fuk citric was hard enough to get let alone vit c .

I ve left a .2 of what I would class as good as yer gonna get gear in a spoon with a 1/4 of a packet of citric ( you know the 100mg sachets ) n give it an hour or less n the gear should breakdown on its own & require only minimal heat to be ready to shoot .

Anyone care to add anything in the name of Harm Reduction ?
 
I've never IVed anything, though perhaps fetishized it in my naive teen/early 20 something psyche. The one time I did heroin, thank god, I was in 'good' hands, ironically. NA connects, of all people. Though decent folk. One in particular, the girl, I was close wit at the time. We were all at bottom and went on a bender. To their credit, hey still didn't let me do anything other than insulfate. I remember watching my girl friend IV w/ morbid curiosity as she went through her ritual, and after a few hours, asked her to help me push off - BOTH, even the sketchier fellow w/ us, refused and thought it was wrong, even though I had supplied the needles. I now see as a blessing. I was younger, genuinely didn't care if the worst happened due to extenuating circumstances, and so I lost my fear for what I was trying to shut off inside me. I was only one rung above my soon to come bottom, and was emotionally empty or at least incapable of dealing w/ the larger issues I was facing. Which was selfish, given what I'd put my loved ones through at the time.

Looking back, it is something I'm eternally grateful and am ashamed at my own naive (at the time) self-pity. Just felt life was about to swallow me whole. And it did. But I needed to be humbled and made more aware. I had so much to learn. Still do, but no longer know it's entirely accurate or 'real' to romanticize things the way I once did. I've me enough on the other side of IV usage who more or less killed that fascination. I lacked perspective (at the time) and awareness of the LT results. Or was on self-destruct. I know not to eve want to make something I had control over seduce me, regardless of the fate I was facing in weeks.

I now know I was lucky, not to mention a dumb, impetuous kid. I now know from people I talked with what an unpredictable, slave-ike gamble it is that ruins lives. On sny level, even mine at times when I lost my way. It isn't something I want to play with, and I've gambled in other areas, so this keeps me focused. Plus I no longer live just for myself. And that gives me something/one to continue to try to evolve for.

I know this is trivial to what many have shared. I just am sharing my moment where I almost crossed that line. I can say it won't happen again b/c I'm a different person. Not perfect, at all, but different.
 
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brimz said:
I wish I knew how little acid was needed to breakdown decent gear back in the day.
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Same here brimz and i guess a lot of other folk as well.I used to put far too much citric in from those little sachets, i could have used about a quarter of what i put in and the gear would have disolved lovely. Wish i had known that from the start as it would have saved my veins some grief
 
I've noticed that when trying to quit H, I find myself missing the act of shooting up almost as much as the high itself (almost!). I think it's because I associate the injection process with the high, so the two become kind of entwined in the brain. when if I'm sick I find myself feeling better once I start laying out my supplies/mixing/etc., before it's even in my body, just because I know it's coming shortly.

I have shitty, skinny veins so I have to rotate spots a lot because sometimes my veins will just disappear even if I don't miss and everything goes according to plan, and some of mine have definitely come back. in fact I was just noticing today that one on the top of my wrist that had been gone for a while came back and it's fatter than it was before! pretty cool. however that may be because like I said I didn't do anything too terrible to it--my technique is good. as a nurse once told me, some people's veins just don't like having stuff inside them.
 
Yep. That's the thing about this game; it's an addiction that works on many levels at once. Not even just an addiction in the mind and an addiction in the body, either; but several in the mind, and quite a few in the body. The substeps of the process -- the mission to acquire, then the preparation of the paraphernalia for the consumption of, and finally the delivery of the drug, all combine into one ceremony, more beautiful and complex than the sum of its parts, and which can hold its own alongside anything from any religious tradition you could care to name. And now remember, any part of that gestalt is something for which you can burst out craving, at any time.
 
maxalfie said:
Same here brimz and i guess a lot of other folk as well.I used to put far too much citric in from those little sachets, i could have used about a quarter of what i put in and the gear would have disolved lovely. Wish i had known that from the start as it would have saved my veins some grief
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It's a big problem is overuse of citric. Drug info and needle exchange places really should be giving out far more advice about how little you actually need to break down gear. The fact they put a shitload in each sachet can't help - most people I've known presume that's some kinda measured amount that's that way because it's what you need - like one sachet per bag. I've seen many people cooking up a big spoonful of citric with a dash of heroin. I've always tried to explain but some people will just insist that it must be right cos that's what they give you to use with the depressingly obvious suggestion that clearly my gear is shitty and that's why I don't need as much.

When my veins started getting really bad (they weren't good to start off with) and injecting became excruciatingly painful I started to look at the citric amounts on the basis that it was acid and it burned when I injected so maybe there was a connection. Trial and error got me down to just a few grains per hit - 1/4 sachet seems way too much to me and is a lot more than I ever used once I started experimenting to find what the minimum amount actually required was. I would advise anybody who uses citric to firstly try to get Vit C powder instead if possible as it seems far gentler on veins (although you do need a fairly large amount of it compared to citric - still not huge amounts though) but if citric is the only option try with just a few grains, add a lil heat and you can see if it's enough and add a few more if necessary. I suspect most would be surprised at how little you can get away with - it really surprised me and I dearly wish somebody had told me this early on so I didn't destroy quite so many veins quite so quickly. Still to this day I get intense pain on the (very) rare occasions I inject stuff that's even slightly acidic IV.
 
Shambles said:
It's a big problem is overuse of citric. Drug info and needle exchange places really should be giving out far more advice about how little you actually need to break down gear. The fact they put a shitload in each sachet can't help - most people I've known presume that's some kinda measured amount that's that way because it's what you need - like one sachet per bag. I've seen many people cooking up a big spoonful of citric with a dash of heroin. I've always tried to explain but some people will just insist that it must be right cos that's what they give you to use with the depressingly obvious suggestion that clearly my gear is shitty and that's why I don't need as much.
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See? This is stuff that people like me who have never IV'd anything simply don't know.

I suppose if I had the presence of mind to remember my A-level chemistry -- and all the side reading I did, that wasn't actually part of the course but which interested me anyway -- then I would think #3 most probably would already contain at least some soluble salts of diacetylmorphine. And even if I didn't go into that much detail, I'd think to add the citric acid gradually, just until no more of the powder would dissolve. And pf course the people in the drug centre don't know how much gear anyone will have, so they probably will have erred on the side of too much citric acid.
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Being able to follow a train of reasoning through like that isn't much use, unless you've actually got on board that train ..... I've got the presence of mind now to think of good reasons to be adding the citric acid gradually; but would I still be capable of remembering to think that way in the heat of battle, as it were, after arriving home with clean paraphernalia and yet still not being quite certain how to use it?
 
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BecomingJulie said:
See? This is stuff that people like me who have never IV'd anything simply don't know.
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Don't feel bad - people who IV heroin and/or crack (which also requires an acid to prep for IV) regularly mostly don't seem to know this either from what I've seen over the years. Not helped by the fact drug services don't seem to be aware most of the time either - and even when you find somebody who does they don't bother to mention it usually. It's a piece of HR info which really should be better known across the board.
 
maxalfie said:
I certainly found the ritual of injecting myself very addictive in itself.
Before I experienced it myself I didn't understand how folk could have a 'needle fixation'.
I did on occasion when I couldn't score due to lack of funds etc I still had a very powerful urge to inject myself and I have injected myself with plain water just so I could go through the ritual of injecting myself even though I knew I would not get anything out of it. It was like an itch that had to be scratched.
I'm not alone in this either as I knew other addicts who would do the same as well.
After getting used to the needle I found it very hard to return to smoking heroin but due to shit veins I had no choice. I do feel that when I made the switch from smoking to injecting heroin that I went downhill a lot quicker.
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I started injecting myself at thirteen, and for me the ritual is as much of a fix as the high. I love needles and that's a terrible thing. I dream about the damn things. I feel naked if I don't have kit.
 
Needle fixation is ann addictive thing thats for sure - i would shoot snything i could break down into a solution including mogadon and valium even thoiugh neither are water soluble - or barely. With citric , when i first started using needle exchanges didn't have it so we use to get a pot and i was always really careful how much oi put in as i didnt want those orrible lumpy itchy bumps that would come up.Vit c is deffo the way to go- for my 1st year it was lemon juice and u only needed a few drops last time i had to use it i needed more juice than water - so fuck knows what in the gear now (this was PD).
 
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