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What do you think of the needle?

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On the subject of drugs do you think injecting is much more powerful in terms of dragging you into an addiction?

I have never injected anything, never will for the reason i believe it will push me over edge from the occasional use to addiction.

Im happy insuffulating, inhaling or orally dosing drugs atm.

What are your thoughts?

EDIT: Sorry if this topic has been brought up before, feel free to delete this if need be.
 
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Personally hate needles, just the sight of them makes me feel funny. I don't care if it's more efficient or has a better hit I'd rather use a bit more product and not have to put a hole in my body.
 
Same here id rather use more product than get involved with needles.
Not afraid of them or against anyone that uses them just don't wanna go down that road myself.
 
Ive never used a needle, never will. The very thought of it makes my toes
curl. All the bad stories of missed shots make it even worse
 
It is definitely a point of no return for many drug users. It is often difficult to return to other ingestion routes, particularly as the reason most turn to IV is to get more bang for their buck. Some might argue that if sterile protocols are followed that it is safe, but personally any wound that is open to the outside environment increases the risks of bloodstream infections.

Then you have the addictive nature of the prepping itself than many users become dependant on. Search around BL and you will find some poor souls who with nothing else will scratch their itch by injecting just saline or sterile water, obviously with no high attached but more from almost an OCD perspective.
 
Inhaling drugs is no less inherently addicting than injecting (from anecdotal evidence, tooting heroin is at least as addictive as shooting); but it is a lot less likely that you will overdose that way, simply because you will generally pass out before you can get enough of the drug into your system.
 
I am a lucky one then I suppose. Back in high school, me and a couple friends went through a phase (a year or so) of heavy cocaine use. At some point we started throwing around the idea of shooting it. At first it was sort of a joke. But it was only a few months before I stumbled across some clean needles, once I had the needles I couldn't resist.

We all met up later that night at a friend's house and I prepped everyone's shots, I did about half a line in one shot, it was milky, definitely a heavy dose. The feeling was indeed one of the most euphoric I have ever experienced. I could feel it in my body, and after a couple seconds my vision brightened up, I could hear more clearly, I felt like pure ecstasy. A lot of energy, yes, but I was content to just lay there. This dude that was with us would not shut the fuck up and I remember that really bothering me, but it wasn't that important, I was beyond cloud nine, I was outside the atmosphere as far as one could go with cocaine.

We were out of clean needles so we decided to call it a night. Snorted the rest and went home. I can't deny that I thought about shooting up A LOT after that, the ritual was beautiful. It definitely went from something I thought was taboo to something I was lusting over instantly. But me and my friends all agreed, it was TOO GOOD and we wouldn't fuck with it again. Just snorting it. And we all kept that promise.
 
I didn't use a needle for like six years after that. And when I did inject something again it was purely out of psychedelic curiosity. I had been experimenting with various nbomes (25c and 25i), nasal, sublingual and vaporizing different doses. I had been using a syringe without the needle attached to measure out exact doses of the solution so I had plenty of syringes around, and the 25c was already dissolved in a water/alcohol solution I had made up, it was just a matter of time.

I had always heard myths about injecting psychedelics and didn't know if they were true. Things like, if you inject lsd there is an instant peak. But either way, It is something I had thought about many times but was never able, when I could, that all changed. And since I could never acquire an injectable psychedelic other than a research chem (I would have very much preferred to use dmt) I decided it was time to try. I also hadn't seen ANY information on injecting nbomes and decided this would be good for the body of knowledge as well (posted up on erowid). It was an interesting, albeit disturbing experience.

I clearly remember watching the needle hole in my arm morph and expand and change color and being unable to tell if I had missed a shot and fucked up my shit or not because of the overwhelming visuals. Luckily my good friend was with me and reassured me I was fine. That was an extremely interesting experience, here's the link https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=93841 if anybody is interested. But it's been a year or so since then and I have zero desire to inject anything. It was definitely worth the experience, but honestly, snorting cocaine had a much more negative impact on my life. I think there has been so much propaganda about needles people just feel like they are so bad, even evil, but it just seems like another method of administering a drug to me.
 
I suppose once you've got the technique and sterility correct it's as good a way as any but I've always enjoyed the come-up. The slower the better. Drugs that shoot you from normal to stoned in 10 seconds flat have never really appealed so neither has injecting. Always vastly prefer oral DMT to smoked DMT for example.
 
When I started out using heroin alot of the people I was knocking around with had already been using for some time longer being older than me by a few years. They'd already moved on to injecting, I was never afraid of needles but I didnt feel the need or want to move on to it at that point as smoking was still keeping me quite content.

So I got to witness ( and smell ) the abscesses, DVT, hitting the artery in the groin etc etc and it just made me not want any part of it.. It just didn't seem worth it.

My body is no temple but ive never been prepared to do that to myself. The only friends of mine who have died through drugs have been needle related either OD or septicaemia.

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Never used a needle, fucking things freak me out. Have nothing against the use of them for drug-related reasons, I just don't like them. Same with scalpels. I don't pass out or anything having blood taken but I can't look. I shat myself when I saw my prescription for Diaz also had a tick box for a fucking needle full of Depo-Provera. I hope to god that's a mistake and the nurse will do it, but if I have to do it it's only IM and I'm fairly confident I could do it myself. IM bothers me much less for some reason.

So yeah can't ever see me injecting drugs.
 
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Sharing a house with inconsiderate twats that left their dirty rigs all over the place put me well off ( not that I think i would have anyway )
Watching people dig about for ages if they couldn't find a vein wasn't pretty either.
 
Yeah, not a chance. The only needles I have are full of mushroom spores. (Gourmet ones, obviously.) :)

snolly said:
Never used a needle, fucking things freak me out. Have nothing against the use of them for drug-related reasons, I just don't like them. Same with scalpels. I don't pass out or anything having blood taken but I can't look.
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Weirdly I'm not at all squeamish but watching usually makes me faint. Kind of annoying as I'm pretty fascinated by medical stuff and always want to watch, but my body has other ideas.
 
I was utterly phobic of needles right up until the point I had my first few IV shots of heroin. Initially I couldn't even look whilst a trusted - and far more experienced - friend did the deed. The effect of injecting heroin compared with chasing it was deeply seductive though so I soon overcame my phobia cos I wanted to be able to do it myself without having to find a more experienced IV user I trusted to do it for me. I don't think injecting drugs makes them more addictive at all. It's more that you become addicted to injecting itself - the infamous needle fetish so many (I'd imagine the vast majority) of people who pick up the needle go on to experience. Once I learnt how to do it for myself I would put almost literally any drug I came across into a needle just to see how it felt when injected. It's only been the last couple years where I've managed to (more or less) overcome that needle fixation and even then only because it's all but impossible to actually find a functioning vein anywhere on my body now.

Injection is an excellent ROA if done correctly. There's good reason doctors choose to inject drugs in so many situations - there are benefits specific to injecting like knowing the full dose will go into effect essentially immediately rather than oral dosing where it can be affected by stomach contents making it more hit and miss. The benefits are mostly only serious benefits in clinical settings but there is an obvious appeal to many drug users - delayed gratification is not a strong point with perhaps a majority of "problem" drug users in particular. If you happen to fall within that category it can be incredibly hard to go back to other ROA - there really is nothing else that provides quite the same effect as an IV shot. If drugs were pharm-grade and technique and sterility were perfect at all times injection would be an ideal ROA and one that's perfectly safe and harmless. Of course in reality none of those things are true because it is not an ideal world and none of those requisites can be guaranteed.

It's often suggested that plugging/rectal administration is as close to the experience of injected drugs as you can get without a needle and I would agree with that. You get a good proportion of the way there ("there" being the effect of injecting) with none of the risks associated with actually injecting. I'd recommend podgering to anybody who hankers after the needles experience but would rather avoid years of needle fixation and all the medical complications that come with it. It really is quite hard to get across how intense and all-consuming that needle fixation can become. I know I've taken ridiculous risks and caused quite significant damage trying to inject things that absolutely should not be injected. I somehow managed to stick to my self-imposed rule of never injecting in neck or groin but I'm really not entirely sure how I managed to stick to it. I don't know many people who picked up the needle who didn't end up with nowhere left to go but neck and groin shots and once you get to that point you have to accept risks o continue injecting that are - for me - unacceptable.

Having said that I still go through periods where the needle fixation is strong enough for me to be indulging in IM shots which carries a whole range of other risks above and beyond those related to IV shots. I try to stick to plugging but the call of the needle is a powerful one and does win out sometimes. I need to be exercising a lot more caution with preparation and sterility if I do continue to dabble in IM use cos I'd ideally like to retain at least four of my limbs and am well aware that's not guaranteed with sloppy IM technique. (It should go without saying that IM is not an option for "street drugs")
 
Kronos said:
I found it to be a bit of an addiction in
itself
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I certainly found the ritual of injecting myself very addictive in itself.
Before I experienced it myself I didn't understand how folk could have a 'needle fixation'.
I did on occasion when I couldn't score due to lack of funds etc I still had a very powerful urge to inject myself and I have injected myself with plain water just so I could go through the ritual of injecting myself even though I knew I would not get anything out of it. It was like an itch that had to be scratched.
I'm not alone in this either as I knew other addicts who would do the same as well.
After getting used to the needle I found it very hard to return to smoking heroin but due to shit veins I had no choice. I do feel that when I made the switch from smoking to injecting heroin that I went downhill a lot quicker.
 
I often injected plain water - well, usually with a bit of citric which I now regret cos that stuff is brutal on veins and shooting it up needlessly is just plain stoopid - when in w/d. Most needle-using addicts did the same. It actually does seem to help when w/d symptoms are really intense. Psychosomatic placebo obviously but does show how powerful that needle fixation can be.
 
It is a very strange thing indeed needle fixation isn't it. I think unless you have experienced it then you would find it hard to comprehend why someone would have an urge to inject themselves with no benefit at the end of it. I know that's how I felt about it before I became an injecting addict.
Was hard to find smoking gear enjoyable again after the needle but over time I did look forward to the whole smoking ritual again.
With a hit if I got a vein quickly then it could all be over & done in minutes but with smoking it gave me something to do for longer.
 
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