☠ WARNING ☠ Warning: Over the counter “Amanita Gummies” contain 4-aco-dmt

[negrogesic]

If that was att on Erowid when they had still had links to vendors still listed on the the site?
Then yes, the site was very obvious/ a see through cover. Selling "poisonous non- consumeables", yeah right!
But it was a nice intro to how to cicumvent the law. And the beginning plantfoods, not ment for human consumption or like in the US bathsalts.

When Erowid got more professional and harm reduction was implemented. These advertisements where removed from the site.

Webtryp victimized a lot, also my Canadian GHB kit seller, so the US has probably got me on a black list. So dont expect me over there any time till that system gets flopped around.
A girl I know can't even enter the US (where here boyfriend lives), why she got caught for clipping Weed in Nl. (illegal activity) so got a sentence, not a fine or inprisonment. But community service and a police record. The Dutch police record is apperently shared with the US border control. Who deny visa based on this one thing.

Now in the US mostly Cannabis is legal. Her applications for a visa are still denied. Dumb ass gouvernement with even dumber rules. Says it all for the US gouvernement a minor offence has more weight then true love.

From my experience JLF was a mail order catalog. You had to write to them if I recall correctly, then you'd get a printed catalog (wasnt many pages). Its possible they had other manifestions, i dont know (don't remember a website). I had a paper catalog. It was thin, they had lists of stuff. Among other thing they sold tramadol in powder form; i bought some. Never bought psychedelics from them; i got those from the pondman. Pondman had a strange all black website -- that actually advertised custom ponds and pond supplies to make it appear semi-legit. He actually was a pond designer. A pond designer that was slanging AMT and 5-MeO-DMT to 17 year olds . Hey, i see nothing with it; the fools that OD'd were morons. I did give test doses of AMT to friends just to experiment on them, but even at 17 i was no fool. I weighed doses out. That said I would sometimes just say to a friend, "hey, snort this" --- them, "what is it?"....--- me, '"just snort it". I mean I was 17, buts it not like I poured out the whole bag and started chopping up lines (which is probably what happened in those fatality cases).

In anycase, I don't recall is how I wound up with the JLF catalog or where I found out about them. Maybe it was online, maybe in the classifieds of High Times, that I dont recall, I was 17 at the time.

Of course it just so happens that AMT is unusually toxic compared to many other tryptamines, and it is able to cause single drug fatalities at high doses.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

From my experience JLF was a mail order catalog. You had to write to them if I recall correctly, then you'd get a printed catalog (wasnt many pages). Its possible they had other manifestions, i dont know (don't remember a website). I had a paper catalog. It was thin, they had lists of stuff. Among other thing they sold tramadol in powder form; i bought some. Never bought psychedelics from them; i got those from the pondman. Pondman had a strange all black website -- that actually advertised custom ponds and pond supplies to make it appear semi-legit. He actually was a pond designer. A pond designer that was slanging AMT and 5-MeO-DMT to 17 year olds . Hey, i see nothing with it; the fools that OD'd were morons. I did give test doses of AMT to friends just to experiment on them, but even at 17 i was no fool. I weighed doses out. That said I would sometimes just say to a friend, "hey, snort this" --- them, "what is it?"....--- me, '"just snort it". I mean I was 17, buts it not like I poured out the whole bag and started chopping up lines (which is probably what happened in those fatality cases).

In anycase, I don't recall is how I wound up with the JLF catalog or where I found out about them. Maybe it was online, maybe in the classifieds of High Times, that I dont recall, I was 17 at the time.

Of course it just so happens that AMT is unusually toxic compared to many other tryptamines, and it is able to cause single drug fatalities at high doses.

High times the old school English/ US one. There is a Dutch version now, but not like the one from US. They had advertisements for fake Weed, Red Dragon incense (claimed to have Opium like effects). Was very funny to read. If thats the one you refer to, it was available over here too.

Our version is totally dedicated to Cannabis, very serious and they are very accurate with their articles and critic. About all recent global developments and the situation around legalizing in EU. And the Dutch current tolerating policy slowly trying to evolve to a legal acceptable form. Which at best we be a slow process and at worst bound to fail from the start. Which will benefit criminals, as long as Weed stays illegal over here.

Erowid had 'poisonous non consumables' a vendor selling psychoactive herbs but also aMT. But was later on removed, vendor advertisements and Erowid parted, evolution.

 

[Opana313]

Psilonaut?

There were 10 gummies in the pack. I took 4 this time. It was an overall positive experience. At first I was disappointed with the duration, but in retrospect, it's very convenient to have an oral tryptamine dose only last about 3 hours.

It's an interesting tryptamine, somewhere in between mushrooms and DMT, but not one I would reach for any time soon.

Hey sorry I realized it was same name..indeed I agree it is interesting an tryptamine.

I have only done, Salvia, lsd and psilocybin 100s of times, and plenty of heroic dosesand combos..i guess im not to sure if I would call my self a veteran, shout out to that OP knowing his shit! But I GOTTA ASK,. Since I have not tried dmt or whatever 5meo , how far off is this from smoked dmt??.. guessing by a lot!? I really need to get down to business on this and others such as Mescaline.

 

[Didgital]

Since I have not tried dmt or whatever 5meo , how far off is this from smoked dmt??.. guessing by a lot!?

yes a lot. I do find them similar, but they are different enough that I totally understand why people say they shouldn't even be compared. A big dose of 5-meo-dmt, strap in cause your about to meet god, not just silly or scary entities that may or may not be just be a reflection of your subconscious self

 

[yaesutom]

Hamilton Morris had some of the gummies lab tested and showed a tryptamine.. I don’t know details because I don’t pay for his Patreon.

 

[negrogesic]

Nice of Hamilton Morris, adding a paywall for harm reduction information. He's been a money grubber from the beginning, and even sort of admitted it here a long time ago (i forgot the username he used). He should have stayed in the journalist role instead of now theatrically playing the role of "scientist" (for which he entirely lacks the experience/education).

 

[deficiT]

Nice of Hamilton Morris, adding a paywall for harm reduction information. He's been a money grubber from the beginning, and even sort of admitted it here a long time ago (i forgot the username he used). He should have stayed in the journalist role instead of now theatrically playing the role of "scientist" (for which he entirely lacks the experience/education).

Wow. Hiding a report about a specific adulterated substance behind a paywall? That's incredibly whack tbh

 

[JackARoe]

Wow. Hiding a report about a specific adulterated substance behind a paywall? That's incredibly whack tbh

It is the exact thing that I dislike in the whole corporate world. It’s almost like when the news uses sensationalism to grip a user so they can get clicks. I really dislike tricks. Now I say this is as someone that believes everybody should earn a living and get paid for what they do. That is how society works. We all get paid for our services, or hopefully. But I like doing that in an honest way, not with gimmicks and tricks. And you know what? I feel that way because I don’t want it done to me. makes me feel stupid. Or at least treated as someone stupid.

 

[Opana313]

Very true^^^ still I roll the dice..because no psilocybin in my general area, or connects/and folks that used to cultivate them.

So for me this is as good as it gets, and I personally love it.

Now my REAL QUESTION...what's is an ACTUAL AMANITA trip like?? In comparison to psilocybin or I get even these gummies of amo dmt?

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

nothing like psilocybin. It is mostly just very natural relaxation, as far as I have made it with decarboxylated stuff.

Muscimol is agonizing particularly gaba-a4 and a5 receptors apparently (same as zopiclone), in addition to muscarinic receptors, which explains its mildly tripping properties, but I have not experienced it as particularly trippy. Goes to prove saying YMMV I guess.

 

[chippermonk]

Hopefully this article isn't behind a paywall and I post it correctly. It doesn't give me any confidence that I would be getting what they purport to be

Magic mushroom chocolates are having a moment. But do they even contain mushrooms?

Chocolate bars and gummies purporting to contain psilocybin mushrooms have become a common sight at smoke shops and illegal cannabis dispensaries across Southern California. But a Times investigation found they sometimes contain harmful or illegal compounds.

www.latimes.com

 

[Didgital]

what's is an ACTUAL AMANITA trip like?

As @Pissed_and_messed said, nothing alike. Felt more like GHB or a benzo then a psychedelic. That said I've never taken it super high. I hear it gets weird if you push it.

I almost want to allow sourcing in this case because I do know of companies that sell pure synthetic muscimol, and I hate that people keep trying this gas station/headshop garbage/unknowns. I feel that would be harm reduction. But alas, not our job to find real drugs.

My advice, if you want to experience amanita muscaria, just get the biomass. When properly dried and decarbed, it actually tastes quite nice.

 

[Didgital]

Hopefully this article isn't behind a paywall and I post it correctly. It doesn't give me any confidence that I would be getting what they purport to be

Magic mushroom chocolates are having a moment. But do they even contain mushrooms?

Chocolate bars and gummies purporting to contain psilocybin mushrooms have become a common sight at smoke shops and illegal cannabis dispensaries across Southern California. But a Times investigation found they sometimes contain harmful or illegal compounds.

www.latimes.com

Decent article and what Reggie says is true. But Reggie is a true POS. stole the HPLC equipment, because he thought he was owed. Fuck that dude and fuck Oakland hyphae.

Sorry off topic

 

[Didgital]

Wow. Hiding a report about a specific adulterated substance behind a paywall? That's incredibly whack

Hamilton is a little whack, but we all gotta make loot somehow. I still support his mission and especially his science advisor Jason wallach, who is following shulgins method but patenting everything he discovers. If he doesn't, someone else will try to. Like stamets. I detest patent whores. Paul stamets has patents on shulgin compounds like 4-HO-MET... I doubt he's ever even tried.

Disgusting imo

 

[Opana313]

^^^ yeah I'd say in this case sourcing should be allowed but then again, I hope whoever the fuck doesn't go and pull all these(at least in my case)

But VERY interesting..one time I stopped at a complete different shop and purchased completely different brand(cheaper and had more gummies, so of course I was all for it), THEN I found it to be weak because I felt next to nothing with a smaller testing dose,..long story short ended up eating all 15 gummies, smoked a joint and felt very relaxed and slept forfuckingever. I'm talking 12-14 hours...woke up around noonish and hadn't slept in that late since I was a hungover teenager from way back in the day!!.....must had been real amanita I suspect and will do another trial. Thanks guys&gals.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Also at the school Wallach teaches at you have to fund your own PhD. Ew

 

[Kaleida]

I’ve had a completely psychedelic experience on muscimol before with Amanita pantherina. It is more similar to serotonergic psychedelics at that point than people often give it credit for, but it’s still notably different. To me muscimol feels like a GABAergic drug no matter which way you slice it, but that being said I have found it to seem to clearly also do some things that most other GABAergics don’t that I find clearly similar enough to classical psychedelics to consider it the same kind of thing as much as any other non-serotonergic quasi-psychedelic drugs I have ingested.

With a psychedelic-like muscimol experience I still find the first few hours to have a depressant feeling, and not the most fun one either. It feels very heavy and hypnotic and is difficult to avoid going to sleep. I’ve seen some people say they like sleeping through the first part for the vivid dreams and then waking up later for the trippy part, but whenever I’ve fallen asleep at the beginning I slept through the later part. Most of my experiences with it never got past this part and were kind of disappointing as a result. A coupe got this far and also had some flashes of delirious imagery that made them a bit more interesting, but not that much.

My strongest experience pushed past this phase to the point that it suddenly blossomed into a full-blown psychedelic experience with geometric visuals, sexy visions, stimulating euphoria, thought derangement, and hysterical laughter. It was completely unlike anything else I’ve ever experienced from muscimol without reaching that point. I’ve heard of some extremely deep and profound hallucinogenic experiences with Amanita mushrooms before, but this was not one of those. I would say it was similar in intensity to maybe around 20 mg of 4-HO-MET. It was a lot of fun and I wish it was easier to achieve consistently.

I think just being able to take a muscimol edible sounds great. I wish it was just being done legitimately.

 

[Didgital]

I’ve had a completely psychedelic experience on muscimol before with Amanita pantherina. It is more similar to serotonergic psychedelics at that point than people often give it credit for, but it’s still notably different. To me muscimol feels like a GABAergic drug no matter which way you slice it, but that being said I have found it to seem to clearly also do some things that most other GABAergics don’t that I find clearly similar enough to classical psychedelics to consider it the same kind of thing as much as any other non-serotonergic quasi-psychedelic drugs I have ingested.

With a psychedelic-like muscimol experience I still find the first few hours to have a depressant feeling, and not the most fun one either. It feels very heavy and hypnotic and is difficult to avoid going to sleep. I’ve seen some people say they like sleeping through the first part for the vivid dreams and then waking up later for the trippy part, but whenever I’ve fallen asleep at the beginning I slept through the later part. Most of my experiences with it never got past this part and were kind of disappointing as a result. A coupe got this far and also had some flashes of delirious imagery that made them a bit more interesting, but not that much.

My strongest experience pushed past this phase to the point that it suddenly blossomed into a full-blown psychedelic experience with geometric visuals, sexy visions, stimulating euphoria, thought derangement, and hysterical laughter. It was completely unlike anything else I’ve ever experienced from muscimol without reaching that point. I’ve heard of some extremely deep and profound hallucinogenic experiences with Amanita mushrooms before, but this was not one of those. I would say it was similar in intensity to maybe around 20 mg of 4-HO-MET. It was a lot of fun and I wish it was easier to achieve consistently.

I think just being able to take a muscimol edible sounds great. I wish it was just being done legitimately.

That's wild man. I agree that muscimol quite interesting but I've never achieved visuals through it and I'm not sure I want to. Just based on some of the stories that are out there. Seems very unpredictable. Never heard of a death or poisoning though.

I haven't researched it too much tho.

 

[negrogesic]

As @Pissed_and_messed said, nothing alike. Felt more like GHB or a benzo then a psychedelic. That said I've never taken it super high. I hear it gets weird if you push it.

I almost want to allow sourcing in this case because I do know of companies that sell pure synthetic muscimol, and I hate that people keep trying this gas station/headshop garbage/unknowns. I feel that would be harm reduction. But alas, not our job to find real drugs.

My advice, if you want to experience amanita muscaria, just get the biomass. When properly dried and decarbed, it actually tastes quite nice.

The only pure muscimol powder I saw for sale that I ever felt was definitely legit synthetic muscimol, was from a reputable (albiet chinese) vendor of RCs (their site is now down, I'm assuming they are gone now). In anycase I've sent a few of their products in for GC/MS testing in the past, with mostly excellent results (save for one batch of 3-CL-PCP, which came back as something like 91 parts 3-CL-PCP, 3 parts unknown, and 1 part PCP proper).

The thing is, their synthetic muscimol, which I would bet was truly high purity, synthetic muscimol, was wildy expensive, i forgot what it was, but it was something $1,500 for 1 gram. That is far too expensive for anyone to buy for recreational use. Although, doing the math, if a dose is 5mg than at that price it's $7.50 per dose, which isnt too far off for what some of these gummies sell for.

Nonetheless, no one is buying muscimol at those prices, so I guess what happened was that said Chinese vendor saw that amanita muscaria mushrooms were becoming a trend among Americans, so to stay relevant with perceived market trends/demands, they decided to synthesize pure muscimol. I guess either the synthesis was particularly challenging or they mistook muscimol to be LSD-like in potency, but it was completely mispriced.

 

[Quasimoto]

Muscimol visuals are strange. I really wouldn't even call it "psychedelic". It is much closer to a deliriant experience in high dose.

During the highest "fuck it" dose I took, tracers were extreme in nature, actually surpassing other psychedelics in that effect. It certainly has psychedelic properties but I would not consider it a psychedelic by classical standards.