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☠ WARNING ☠ Warning: Over the counter “Amanita Gummies” contain 4-aco-dmt

I've had pure 4 aco DMT and I have doses 40mg no problem with no tolerance.
I am an experienced tripper and yeah It is going to be intense (between ++ and +++ for most) but not medically dangerous at all IMHO.

I can see how some people could end up in the ER because of a panic attack.
While 22mg of 4-Aco-DMT was always lovely, a couple of times that I tried to push it to 30mg, I got an overwhelming foreboding of impending doom and had to use a benzo. And I am not prone to panic attacks.
 
Hamilton is a little whack, but we all gotta make loot somehow. I still support his mission and especially his science advisor Jason wallach, who is following shulgins method but patenting everything he discovers. If he doesn't, someone else will try to. Like stamets. I detest patent whores. Paul stamets has patents on shulgin compounds like 4-HO-MET... I doubt he's ever even tried.

Disgusting imo

How do you feel about the whole thing about him playing scientist?

Initially he started as a journalist, but as he progressed he increasingly began taking on a persona of a scientist. It's funny, his Wikipedia page deceptively says he studied chemistry at the University of Chicago, but he doesn't have a degree in chemistry, and certainly not a graduate degree.

Watching some of the newer episodes, it just sort of rubs me the wrong way. There was an episode about San Pedro use in South America, and he was going around introducing himself to people as a "scientist".

But, at one point during that episode, there was a brief moment where one could catch a glimpse of his notebook (a handwritten notebook with his "scientific" notes). The notes were only visible for a fraction of a second, but I took a screenshot and zoomed in, and on the page were some calculations for computing the surface area of a segment of cactus. Thing is, said calculations were full of all kinds of intentionally convoluted and unnecessary steps that were clearly added to make it appear more "scientific". For instance, the surface area calculations contained totally unnecessary elements, like gaussian integrals and all sorts of absolutely unnecessary trigonometric and logarithmic functions that are not necessary to calculate surface area.

So to an average personal they'd see all of that calculus notation and be like "woah, this dude is a genius". But anyone with a moderate grasp of mathematics, would know that those calculations were absolutely unnecessary and intentionally convoluted, adding a huge amount of unneeded complexity that serves no other other purpose than to paint a facade that he is some sort of scientist.

So, while the subject matter of his videos are often interesting, this whole "scientist" persona that he's cultured can make the newer videos hard to watch. I wish he had stayed as a journalist, because this whole scientist act is pretty irritating.
 
How do you feel about the whole thing about him playing scientist?

Initially he started as a journalist, but as he progressed he increasingly began taking on a persona of a scientist. It's funny, his Wikipedia page deceptively says he studied chemistry at the University of Chicago, but he doesn't have a degree in chemistry, and certainly not a graduate degree.

Watching some of the newer episodes, it just sort of rubs me the wrong way. There was an episode about San Pedro use in South America, and he was going around introducing himself to people as a "scientist".

But, at one point during that episode, there was a brief moment where one could catch a glimpse of his notebook (a handwritten notebook with his "scientific" notes). The notes were only visible for a fraction of a second, but I took a screenshot and zoomed in, and on the page were some calculations for computing the surface area of a segment of cactus. Thing is, said calculations were full of all kinds of intentionally convoluted and unnecessary steps that were clearly added to make it appear more "scientific". For instance, the surface area, calculations contained totally unnecessary elements, like gaussian integrals and all sorts of absolutely unnecessary trigonometric and logarithmic functions that are not necessary to calculate surface area.

So to an average personal they'd see all of that calculus notation and be like "woah, this dude is a genius". But anyone with a moderate grasp of mathematics, would know that those calculations were absolutely unnecessary and intentionally convoluted, adding a huge amount of unneeded complexity that serves no other other purpose than to paint a facade that he is some sort of scientist.

So, while the subject matter of his videos are often interesting, this whole "scientist" persona that he's cultured can make the newer videos hard to watch. I wish he had stayed as a journalist, because this whole scientist act is pretty irritating.
As far as I'm aware he worked with Wallach (and my conspiracy theory is also Nervewing) to design novel arylcyclohexylamines and diarylethylamines that have shown up in Wallach's research. Many scientists lack degrees, talent and a degree are far from the same thing. Hamilton has yet to mention any specific compounds he's created other than derivatives of N-Ethyl-nor-nicotine but he's doing what more people should imo. Educate, research and progress the control we hold over our consciousnesses.
 
How many "legit scientists" would ever go gonzo like Hamilton did? How many real chemists would take drugs on camera like that?

I'm quite surprised he doesn't have an actual degree in chemistry, however I'd ask, does that really discredit his work for vice? It's not like he was pumping out misinformation, other than that one bufo episode in season 1, but that was a journalist mistake not a chemistry mistake.
 
How many "legit scientists" would ever go gonzo like Hamilton did? How many real chemists would take drugs on camera like that?

What about Alexander Shulgin? He was certainly a "legit scientist" -- with a Ph.D. in biochemistry and an undergraduate degree in chemistry. Before starting his research on psychedelics he worked in the private sector as a research chemist. His work furthered our understanding of chemistry and the brain, particularly with regard to the SAR of compounds that interact with serotonin receptors. And while he didn't use a camera to document his work, he wrote it down methodically (as a scientist would) and published it to the masses. So he absolutely went gonzo, and sharing his work resulted in all kinds of headaches for him, including a DEA raid. So I'd definitely consider Shulgin a legit scientist that went gonzo.

I'm quite surprised he doesn't have an actual degree in chemistry, however I'd ask, does that really discredit his work for vice? It's not like he was pumping out misinformation, other than that one bufo episode in season 1, but that was a journalist mistake not a chemistry mistake.

See, the very fact that you are "quite surprised" that Hamilton Morris doesn't have a degree in chemisty illustrates the degree to which he has fooled his large audience. Very clearly, over time, as you watch his documentaries, you see a gradual shift of someone presenting themselves as journalist, to eventually that of a scientist. Many people are convinced of this, and he even seems to semi believe it himself.

I'm sure you're not the only viewer who would be surprised that Hamilton doesn't have a degree in chemistry or hard science. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people that think Hamilton Morris has a degree in chemistry and spends all day in a lab doing research. But the reality is that the dude has a BA in Anthropology (I believe with an emphasis on ethnobotany). But if you do a google search you will instead read things like, "he attended the University of Chicago where he studied anthropology and chemistry" repeated over and over, intentionally ambiguous. I've taken chemistry classes in college, but am I a chemist? No.

But do you need a degree to be a scientist? In today's modern world, where science is a collaborative effort, an actual scientist will have inherently acquired an advanced education in a specific field, engage in ongoing systematic research to test hypotheses, and contribute new knowledge via peer-reviewed publications etc. So it's a blatent misrepresentation to say that Hamilton is a scientist, and its an insult to all those who have put in the many years of hard work it takes to earn that title.

Sure, the subject matter of his videos are interesting, but this heavy emphasis that is put on him being some sort of brilliant scientist makes the show feel super cheesy. For instance the time when I, out of curiosity, on the episode about San Pedro in Peru, screenshotted and zoomed in on a shot of his research notes, i found a series of intentionally convoluted calculations for the surface area of a cactus. The comedically unneeded complexity of the calculations were designed to make his notes appear more "sciency" (while the video editors obviously meant to show a split second glympse of the fancy looking calculations for dramatic effect, they didn't expect someone mathematically inclined to snap a screenshot and zoom in to examine the notes more closely).

Also, why tf did he suddenly start wearing a labcoat all of a sudden 😭? He never wore a labcoat in his earlier Vice documentaries, it was only until he got his own show (Hamilton's Pharmacopeia) that he suddenly appeared wearing a labcoat, which like his notebook, is a prop used by the show to emphasize the non-fact that he is some sort of scientist. This facade doesn't change the content of his videos, which are informative and interesting, but the fake scientist bits are are off-putting . And he's made money off of this facade. Feels dishonest to me.

What's funny is that recently Hamilton Morris left Vice over pay disputes, and now, "has been hired as a full-time consultant for COMPASS Pathways, a publicly traded corporation focused on medicalizing psilocybin."

I will guarantee you that the company did not hire Hamilton for his chemistry expertise. They hired him because the company (Compass) is a publicly traded company, and is desperately seeking funding/investors. Having Hamilton Morris on staff brings his celebrity, accompanied by this widely held perception (like yours) that he is some sort of brilliant chemist, with extensive education and etc. This brings Compass alot of publicity, and the investments they'll receive as a result is easily worth his salary. Think about all the rich millennials who watch his videos and fully believe that he is a brilliant chemist, and who will use his genius as a "mad scientist" to discover a new compound that will make the stock price of that company skyrocket. So a millenial with money to invest would be quick to buy into a company like that. In fact I bet the mere announcement that Hamilton Morris was going to be on staff caused the stock price to rise. But the thing is, even if he was capable of drug discovery, the company he's now working for isn't even interested in innovating and trying to design new chemical compounds; the entire focus of the company he's working for is on conducting clinical trials to prove the therapeutic efficacy of their proprietary "Comp360" (which is simply synthetic psilocybin).

He should have just stayed in his first role, as a journalist. The scientist bit is tiresome and dishonest, and he's made money off this lie.
 
lol have you ever even done drugs before

A gram of cocaine will last me maybe 8 hours and I don't do very much cocaine at all

4-ACO-DMT might cost more than £100 a gram but that will last you for months

lol, a gram of 4-aco-dmt would last you months? Not me.
 
lol, a gram of 4-aco-dmt would last you months? Not me.
Assuming you take three days between doses for tolerance, that's 100mg every three days in a 30 day month (fuck February). Big claim, but definitely not impossible lol. My fiancee and I cleaned a gram of 2C-B straight out of existence in ~6 weeks once in a scuffle with seasonal depression and a lack of access to antidepressants.
 
Assuming you take three days between doses for tolerance, that's 100mg every three days in a 30 day month (fuck February). Big claim, but definitely not impossible lol. My fiancee and I cleaned a gram of 2C-B straight out of existence in ~6 weeks once in a scuffle with seasonal depression and a lack of access to antidepressants.

I take bigger doses - maybe 100mg to start with, then another 100mg booster after a couple hours, then another 100mg an hour after that. I can just eat it pretty much endlessly. Never found a dose that I found uncomfortable. That's with the decent 4-aco you could get when it first came out tho. Now there's only shit synths or it's been stepped on with something that causes nausea so you can't take a decent dose without throwing up.
 
I take bigger doses - maybe 100mg to start with, then another 100mg booster after a couple hours, then another 100mg an hour after that. I can just eat it pretty much endlessly. Never found a dose that I found uncomfortable. That's with the decent 4-aco you could get when it first came out tho. Now there's only shit synths or it's been stepped on with something that causes nausea so you can't take a decent dose without throwing up.
Are you on any medications, or similarly hyperresistant to any other psychedelics? And are you positive that maybe the stuff you are getting wasn't cut by way of qualitative testing (drugsdata or wedinos for example)? Just curious because it'd be peculiar if it was just psilacetin. Is it also mushrooms?
 
I would assume he has significant tolerance, otherwise, idk.

I've taken 16g of mushrooms before and had no effect, because of LSD induced tolerance. I had some interesting dreams, though. But no active effect.
 
I would assume he has significant tolerance, otherwise, idk.

I've taken 16g of mushrooms before and had no effect, because of LSD induced tolerance. I had some interesting dreams, though. But no active effect.
An old friend took what I'd estimate to be ~8.4mg of 25C-NBOMe, a very dangerously high dose, but they'd consumed 8 grams of Panaeolus cyanescens mushrooms and to this day I wonder if they'd be alive if they didn't have that tolerance from the incredibly high dose of PCyans. I've never even heard of anybody taking more of them online hahaha.

This same person would occasionally gigadose mushrooms like you did, but without tolerance. Shit led to some very intense experiences, I've pushed up to 14g before with weaker varieties but with heady fungi I usually max out around 10g. If I have a tolerance though I can eat literally an unlimited amount of mushrooms and it just feels better and better and better. I literally had to stop growing them at one point because I was becoming a fucking mushroom goblin. Why even weigh your dose when you get a beautiful flush in a mono tub and you can just eat them all fresh throughout the next hour, sipping caapi and coca. It's a really fun lifestyle but it'll make you act a fool if you don't take time off, similar to using stimulants too often imo.
 
yep, same here.... and now I hate mushrooms, I really dislike tryptamines in generally now. But I also smoked myself retarded with DMT.

Monkey can't sell bananas.
I felt as if I'd learned everything I could from them, then I tried some pan cyans and it shook me to my god damn core. Now I want to get back into cube breeding as well as panaeolus breeding, I was mostly just mass cloning shit straight to bulk spawn when I was growing because it was like a cheat code to just have infinite mushrooms, just always strapping jars on top of what you need to this very day type shit. I'm going to get back to it soon enough, extracts are really what get me excited though. Mushroom droppers made out of everclear only last like 6 weeks which sucks ass, I want to get good at pressing like 5 or 10mg microdots of psilacetin that I extract using John F. Casale method, but branching out in solvents used and using thin plate chromatography and the sort (no access to GC/MS or LC/MS right now) similar to the kratom nerds. They're mixing speciociliatine with mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine to experience enhanced synergy, similarly to how you can with alt cannabinoids. THC-V is often found in Southeastern Asian strains of cannabis, for example. I have shards of it that look like obsidian and taste like the sole of a brand new shoe when you drop them in an enail at any temp that gets them to vaporize pure, but boy can they make some people geek the fuck out. THC-V could be used to enhance "the fear" that some people get when their memory gets too hazy during a panic attack and they can't get their way out. Mushrooms and cannabis are the meanest drugs among normal people that I've encountered, though they've been very kind with me at least.
There are also really fascinating mutagenic methods like intense UV exposure during fruiting to attempt disrupting genetic transcription, it's led to many fascinating things. Nowadays I intend on growing a ton of tiny bins for selective breeding of both cubes and pans (have never grown pans), and seeing if I can make mushrooms so potent that you just need either a single gel cap, or a single small mushroom that could easily be dipped in honey or chocolate.

Edit: I'm also a firm proponent that different growing, drying, and genetic conditions can affect the experience induced from a roughly equipotent trip with certain cubes. Many are very similar, it reminds me of cannabis in the past, so many people would claim all strains were the same, nowadays that's just comical. Pluteus, Gymnopilus, Inocybe and other Panaeolus mushrooms like panjams or cambos are also things I want to take a swing at once the lab is going again. I was selectively breeding Tidal Waves for being "party mushrooms" at one point but eventually when I stopped I only kept a single print, and I doubt it's still good.
 
They're mixing speciociliatine with mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine to experience enhanced synergy, similarly to how you can with alt cannabinoids.

I've had some interesting kratom extract blends before. One was 15% speciocilitane, 30% mitragynine. I much, much preferred that to a 45% mit extract.

Really difficult to put a number on a lot of those misc kratom alkaloids.

but yeah, pure 7-OH is lackluster-- really need the other kratom alkaloids to round out the high. By itself it feels like a sleeping pill to me. With other kratom alkaloids, it mimics oxycodone or other opioids.
 
@Esperighanto ironically the most vivid non-delusional true OEV visuals I ever had were from mushrooms, in Amsterdam. I had taken about 14g with no tolerance.

I remember rolling a joint in a coffee shop and the half-rolled joint in my hand literally turned into a butterfly, the joint flapped its wings and flew out of my hands. Fuckin wild.

Frankly I've never experienced anything like that on my preferred psychedelics (mostly LSD). Even in the highest doses.

When I ended up getting to the concert/festival I was going to, I fainted about 5 min into the first song. Fell backwards onto this poor Dutch couple who thought I had died.

Weird story, but I had definitely overdosed on mushrooms that night. Too much.
 
@Esperighanto ironically the most vivid non-delusional true OEV visuals I ever had were from mushrooms, in Amsterdam. I had taken about 14g with no tolerance.

I remember rolling a joint in a coffee shop and the half-rolled joint in my hand literally turned into a butterfly, the joint flapped its wings and flew out of my hands. Fuckin wild.

Frankly I've never experienced anything like that on my preferred psychedelics (mostly LSD). Even in the highest doses.

When I ended up getting to the concert/festival I was going to, I fainted about 5 min into the first song. Fell backwards onto this poor Dutch couple who thought I had died.

Weird story, but I had definitely overdosed on mushrooms that night. Too much.
I hate to ask but I need to know, the joint that turned into the butterfly and flew away, did you just not smoke the joint you made? Did a butterfly really fly away with it and it was gone, or was that just a visual distortion and you then smoked your freshly rolled joint? I feel like I'm waiting for some sort of cliffhanger to figure this out for some reason.

Passing out from high doses of serotonergics is definitely a phenomenon that I've noticed. Two separate times that my fiancee and I were going out with our friend Nate to get sushi, I accidentally knocked myself out with serontonergics. Once was maybe 75-100mg eyeballed of insufflated 2C-B HBr, the other was a hundred drop vial of allegedly 150ug/drop LSD that broke in the baggie, so I licked it clean turning it inside out and just drank the vial. That was the only time I've ever had a drug land me in the hospital. I had an injury at that time that I was worsening rolling around deliriously, asking my fiancee shit like "if I could cum PCP would you be into that" after needing his help in a frantic effort to tear my own clothes off before getting on the floor in a blacked out state of ecstatic bliss. I told the EMT that my name was Alexander Shulgin, according to all known bystanders. One drop from this vial hits more like 5-8 tabs off the street in my experience, shit is quite heady. 3-5 Drops is the point where it starts to induce blackouts. 5 Drops alongside 500mg of carisoprodol had my fiancee black out, and I remembered the night backwards, recollecting the end first, then that which came before it, so on and so forth. I've only tripped like that before taking ridiculous amounts of etizolam and 2C-B together, it might be my favorite dyadic combination of drugs.
 
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I hate to ask but I need to know, the joint that turned into the butterfly, did you just not smoke the joint you made? Did a butterfly really fly away with it and it was gone, or was that just a visual distortion and you then smoked your freshly rolled joint? I feel like I'm waiting for some sort of cliffhanger to figure this out for some reason.

The joint turned into a butterfly before I completed rolling it. As I recall, I was flabbergasted... but continued rolling the joint, smoked it, and moved on. It's a very specific memory for me, because I've done a lot of very high dose psychedelics, but never had an experience, a hallucination, as clearly elucidated as that one was one was. It was almost a comical version of what people describe psychedelics as.... which is why it sticks out to me in my memory.

I actually dislike shrooms and tryptamines now. But that memory sticks out very clearly.

Passing out from high doses of serotonergics is definitely a phenomenon that I've noticed.
another reason I dislike tryptamines. I do not have this problem with LSD which is my bread and butter.

I've only tripped like that before taking ridiculous amounts of etizolam and 2C-B together, it might be my favorite dyadic combination of drugs.
people overstate how much benzos kill trips. They do NOT kill trips, at all imo.... but I also generally take very high doses.

in fact my best LSD trip of my life, I had taken 2mg of alprazolam and 5 drinks beforehand.

Such drugs do not kill the trip, they only take the edge off. I don't know why people say benzos kill trips... they don't.
 
The joint turned into a butterfly before I completed rolling it. As I recall, I was flabbergasted... but continued rolling the joint, smoked it, and moved on. It's a very specific memory for me, because I've done a lot of very high dose psychedelics, but never had an experience, a hallucination, as clearly elucidated as that one was one was. It was almost a comical version of what people describe psychedelics as.... which is why it sticks out to me in my memory.

I actually dislike shrooms and tryptamines now. But that memory sticks out very clearly.


another reason I dislike tryptamines. I do not have this problem with LSD which is my bread and butter.


people overstate how much benzos kill trips. They do NOT kill trips, at all imo.... but I also generally take very high doses.

in fact my best LSD trip of my life, I had taken 2mg of alprazolam and 5 drinks beforehand.

Such drugs do not kill the trip, they only take the edge off. I don't know why people say benzos kill trips... they don't.
I've had antipsychotics and noopept take me out of serontergics and dissociative experiences respectively. The two times I mixed ayahuasca with LSA I got signs of serotonin syndrome and my homie recalled my advice in those moments, "hand me a fifth of liquor and just tell me to drink it". Both times it caused things to almost immediately get better.

Benzos mix beautifully with most things, psychedelics especially. I'm more of a phenethylamine and lysergamide guy myself, so I typically combine them with those, but they fit amazingly with miprocin for sure. I feel like the worst of benzo abusers are also the loudest/most noticeable about it, but I've found them to be amazing tools throughout my life. The worst thing I've ever been told I've done or had reason to believe I've done during a benzo blackout is drink an entire gallon of milk, gasping for breath like a small child drinking water on a hot day. Waterboarding (milkboarding?) myself with milk on 5mg of etizolam, sleeping for 18 hours straight and shitting the bed was the first thing I did upon acquiring my first gram of powdered tiz. I love that shit and flualp, bromaz is a bit sleepy for me though. I love seeing RC benzos come back into fashion in the onion fields, nitrazolam is said to be sleepy but I'd be interested in investigating Temazepam, Midazolam, and Triazolam in combination with psychedelics and stimulants like some fucked up form of speedball.

GHB mixes really well with psychedelics too, but the safety profile demands more respect. Benzos and N-benzylated phenethylamines also mixed well, 4 tabs of 25C-NBOMe, a street xanny that was probably Bromazolam, and ~125 of MDA (half eaten half insufflated I think) was an amazing combination, but the safety profile is the kind of shit that I would never recommend. Many of my best trips have involved polydrug combinations, and I feel like the ensemble effect is something that we should attempt to echo as a lesson from nature. Mushrooms contain 6 psychoactive alkaloids. Naturally occurring lysergamides vary in profile as well. Mescaline from a San Pedro vs eating Peyote buttons is noticeably quite different as well.

I'd imagine that a psychedelic therapist seeing say, a 65 year old patient who is dead set on trying psilocybin therapy (I feel 2C-B or miprocin are better for therapy) should also coadminister at least an anti-emetic like Ondansetron to try to counter nausea if the patient experiences it. There's no reason that benzos couldn't be used to quell anxiety. I feel like the most impactful and transformative experiences of my life that involve drugs (many of the most impactful ones do not) involve combinations of at least 3-5 things, typically a psychedelic, cannabinoid, dissociative, empathogen, stimulant, or depressant of some variety. Often caffeine, dabs, ketamine (PCP analogs if I've got any), MDA and LSD are the ones I default to. I wonder if psychedelic therapy as it evolves in legal contexts will ever embrace this concept, maybe combining mescaline, MDMA, and a few nitrous balloons would be better than just a psilacetin pill like the JH experiments used.
 
Are you on any medications, or similarly hyperresistant to any other psychedelics? And are you positive that maybe the stuff you are getting wasn't cut by way of qualitative testing (drugsdata or wedinos for example)? Just curious because it'd be peculiar if it was just psilacetin. Is it also mushrooms?

No tolerance, I just really enjoy the effects of 4-aco - especially the white syntheis it used to come as before the shitty grey synthesis shite took over. That white 4-aco was incredible - you could just eat it and eat it and it just got more beautiful.
 
No tolerance, I just really enjoy the effects of 4-aco - especially the white syntheis it used to come as before the shitty grey synthesis shite took over. That white 4-aco was incredible - you could just eat it and eat it and it just got more beautiful.
That's fascinating, I wonder why you metabolize that this way. Have you ever used any other 4-substituted tryptamines?
 
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