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Vyvanse & Heart Problems

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ohshitebro

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I'm an addict and alcoholic and have horrible ADD my old psych said he was surprised I was even passing classes, because of the results of my ADD test he had me do. Anyways I am a bad user of any drug that's abusable, I am 19 now and finally couldn't take it any more, I finally was sober again after a 8 month relapse, and speed and MDMA were my weakness. Anyhow I went to my doctor, and I made sure to let him know I was an addict, with a taste for speed. So I said hell no to adderol (would send me right back to my meth or mdma) before he even started to decide, he said vyvanse is perfect and could not be abused, I expressed my concern and he said it is a pro drug and will help everything.

I know this sounds rediculous but by week two I was all about it and felt okay about it becàuse I was in good heàlth, I had 1 left at 2 weeks, and made an app early to get high dose and new script, and did so then same deal 120 mg a day thing worked great with tons of monsters and mountain dews to make it stronger and it did, so I ran out and decided to wait out the two weeks to avoid sketchiness, next script same dose 60mg but I started to use 300 mgs with a kpin or two to take the edge off, then I decided I wanted mdma, so I went to my guy who lives 2 hrs away, bought my gram, and did it all that night on a kpin, went back home, took 300 to 600 mgs a day with the kp, cleaned my car 4 days after my trip my car was dirty, and I was cleaning it and found a bag with .2 crystal in it, already took my vyvanse 300mgs and then did the mdma and a kpin .5 kpins btw not high dosage and could barely feel the Molly, I shit on my brain with the gram, that was the most mdma I've ever done I used to use .5 every week and would hallucinate dogs at the end, never Thot u could on Molly. Anyways back to now, lost job, family found out I used again (lots of kpins, blackin out at night. Then 600mgs in a twelve hour period daily with 1mg kpins. Staying up 72 hours sleep then 48ish. Ran out my script in no time. Less than 2 weeks and idr shit about end of nights. Finally stopped and am clean since 2 days ago. And I was smoking a pack to two packs of smokes a day (smoked since I was like 12, 6th grade however old that was). Figured I woulda died somehow but I'm here still. I figured my heart must just be tired, brain is def fried a bit. Idk what does this abuse of that med of to me, it was no meth but it was legal.

So fucking do research guys, It is not all the doctors fault I didn't do my research and am lucky I didn't fully relapse to the real drugs instead of those things. Got to have done something to myself. I don't care about dying but shit fuck a coma or stroke. Was the vyasnse pretty bad for my heart? What damage does said use do to the drug abuser with no known heart problems? I mean it was not as bad as I was before my first rehab on reàl shit, but in the name of drug safety for others, would love to know! Thanks guys. Sorry if this sucked, no more meds lol.
 
Ho-Chi-Minh said:
Its not very safe to mix with high amounts of caffeine but its not horrible.
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Probably nothing will happen tbh, but it's possible you could have bad heart issues if you're hypertensive. Caffeine with D-AMP always send me into mania so I avoid it.
 
ohshitebro said:
Was the vyasnse pretty bad for my heart? What damage does said use do to the drug abuser with no known heart problems?
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Go and have a physical exam and a check up for your heart.
No one can know from through a computer, based on your tale of drug abuse alone.

I would suggest you not fill any more prescriptions and not seek new medications in the future. Good Luck.
 
Well I can't tell you about your heart but I can tell you about the Vyvanse. I used to be addicted to a variety of drugs. One of them was adderall. It helped my add symptoms but I was taking well beyond therapeutic doses and putting tons of them up my nose at times. Early on I could get some kind of high from too much Vyvanse. But now even though I've got a low tolerance I just don't get a "high" from high doses it's all side effects. Also if I were to take a high dose it would cause all kinds of problems because then the normal dose wouldn't work for a couple days creating a vicious cycle. So you got two choices.
1. Stop taking vyvanse
2. Take it as prescribed for a couple months then you might not be able to get a buzz from it (like what happened to me)

Also dude it sounds like your trying to get high on the klonopin. That's going to lead you to much worse problems in the long run. I hate to be a negative nancy but maybe no meds is the best answer.
 
WA's advice is sound.

I easily take a day off every week. There are reports of people taking very high doses during the week, then skipping the weekend. As prescribed its the least addictive-most effective stimulant out there.
 
It's still a strong stimulant, it's going to be addictive. That's just how it is and always will be with various amphetamines.

As far as heart problems, it could all be anxiety. Sure, it's hard on your heart taking high doses constantly for extended periods of time, but anxiety plays a HUGE role in stimulant related problems and taking Clonazepam will help after the comedown and such. However, the day you decide to take a big dose after a couple days break and have NO benzos will be the day you think your heart is about to fail.

That's my experience with anxiety. Just two days ago I did exactly that stupid move. I ran out of valium a couple weeks ago, still took adderall in 20-40mg doses every other day or days in a row depending on how much I had, experienced anxiety and trouble sleeping after 2 hours or so tops (so pretty much 2 hours of a bit of speediness, zero euphoria, then the rest is all an anxiety filled comedown). I knew it was anxiety though and got over the anxiety.... but then comes the dumb move. I took a 4 day break, then got 40mgs of Adderall on the 5th day, plugged it.... This led to almost instant anxiety once I started coming up. I felt speedy, certainly, but I was aware of my HR immediately, and from there on it was pretty much a comedown the entire time. Worst anxiety I've had from adderall ever probably. Heart palpitations happened a couple times when I would overly focus on my HR and beat. Completely psychosomatic.

This comes with regular Adderall and all other amphetamine use. The high becomes dull, bigger doses don't really do anything besides add more side effects and exponentially increase the anxiety....My heart was beating out of my chest 14 hours after I dosed STILL.
 
When I take any amps, I avoid anything else with caffeine. I do manage to enjoy decaf tea with creamer and sugar.
Wouldnt the benzo create side effects alongside the Vanyyse?
 
It's still d-amp, lol. It just takes a little longer to full kick in. Think oral OxyContin vs. oral oxycodone (percocet/roxicodone).
 
It was hard to read your thread because it was pretty incoherent. I sympatise with you as I have trouble controlling my drug intake too, but why not calm down a bit? Is the vyvanase alone not enough for you? If so, why not switch to a high dose of adderall? I can give you countless ways to improve your heart health and minimise risk of stroke and heart attack while you're on amps (I take aspirin, gingko, fish oil, coenzyme q10, acetylcarnatine etc.) every day but its unclear from your post whether you're actually looking for solutions to these problems, or whether you've decided to quit drugs altogether or what.

From what I've gathered, amphetamines are not cardiotoxic like cocaine but I don't really know if they damage ones heart health. I just know that they increase risk of heart attack and stroke while you're on them, but those risks can be minimised of course, if you're interested, I'll elaborate. I personally find that my heart starts racing like crazy if I take too much l-dopa while on amphetamine.

weekend addiction said:
Also dude it sounds like your trying to get high on the klonopin. That's going to lead you to much worse problems in the long run. I hate to be a negative nancy but maybe no meds is the best answer.
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Yeah, the horror stories I read about benzo withdrawals were more than enough to make me use them responsibly. Now I never use them daily. Benzos are wonder drugs when used sparingly (i.e. once a week, or just for emergency situations) and nightmare drugs (far far worse than opioids from what I've gathered) if abused long term. There are so many other sedatives available, there is no good reason to rely on benzos alone for sedation. An excellent one I have used myself is trazodone, which is a serotonin antagonist. A similar one is mirtazapine, which is probably more potent because its less selective. Then there are tricyclic antidepressants, antipsychotics, a2 agonists (i.e. clonidine, tizanidine), selective GABA_b agonists (i.e. baclofen), opioids, gabapentin/pregabalin, carbemazipine etc. With all these different classes of sedatives available, there is no need to use one class for long enough to become dependant.
 
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90% of stimulant-induced 'heart problems' are actually due to anxiety. Okay, I pulled that figure out of my butt. But the vast majority are :)

Amphetamines can be taken safely for decades if you don't abuse them. Combining them with caffeine or other stimulants is not a great idea for many reasons. When you start throwing benzos and other drugs into the mix, things can get hairy. Just use your meds as directed and report any problems to your doctor. If you can't use them responsibly, let him/her know that too.
 
CrimpJiggler said:
I can give you countless ways to improve your heart health and minimise risk of stroke and heart attack while you're on amps (I take aspirin, gingko, fish oil, coenzyme q10, acetylcarnatine etc.) every day but its unclear from your post whether you're actually looking for solutions to these problems, or whether you've decided to quit drugs altogether or what.
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Isn't Coenzyme Q10 contraindicated if on low dose Aspirin prevention therapy?

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Also, I find this study to be promising for anyone mixing benzos (more specifically Xanax) and stimulants - http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Anti-anxiety+drug+may+help+nix+heart+attacks.-a010808891
 
hatrix said:
It's still a strong stimulant, it's going to be addictive. That's just how it is and always will be with various amphetamines.

As far as heart problems, it could all be anxiety. Sure, it's hard on your heart taking high doses constantly for extended periods of time, but anxiety plays a HUGE role in stimulant related problems and taking Clonazepam will help after the comedown and such. However, the day you decide to take a big dose after a couple days break and have NO benzos will be the day you think your heart is about to fail.

That's my experience with anxiety. Just two days ago I did exactly that stupid move. I ran out of valium a couple weeks ago, still took adderall in 20-40mg doses every other day or days in a row depending on how much I had, experienced anxiety and trouble sleeping after 2 hours or so tops (so pretty much 2 hours of a bit of speediness, zero euphoria, then the rest is all an anxiety filled comedown). I knew it was anxiety though and got over the anxiety.... but then comes the dumb move. I took a 4 day break, then got 40mgs of Adderall on the 5th day, plugged it.... This led to almost instant anxiety once I started coming up. I felt speedy, certainly, but I was aware of my HR immediately, and from there on it was pretty much a comedown the entire time. Worst anxiety I've had from adderall ever probably. Heart palpitations happened a couple times when I would overly focus on my HR and beat. Completely psychosomatic.

This comes with regular Adderall and all other amphetamine use. The high becomes dull, bigger doses don't really do anything besides add more side effects and exponentially increase the anxiety....My heart was beating out of my chest 14 hours after I dosed STILL.
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Ya got a lot of stuff is all in my head when on stims. Not the molly ever though, I never had a bad experience on molly and man did I do that a lot. In doses .5 and higher when I smoked a good amount of pot I would see dogs running around, and one time ran from a non existent "title wave", didn't even warn my friend or anything lmao! I guess it was converting to enough MDA at those doses?

Yep amps have definitely been a habit, once you get one of the heart panic attacks, it never seems to fail. Anxiety made for some interesting LSD and shroom trips hahaha. I notice this stuff happens when I am alone and focused on it. I am going through a lot of other stress dealing with some childhood stuff for the first time, It is time though, can't keep that stuff in anymore. I stopped the vyvanse, it was shitty. Sorry for the "incoherent" post, I am not good at writing lol

Oh ya and Crimp I am always trying to quit drugs man, I am in and out. I was doing well but not now lol dilaudids now, very lovely hahaha and nah your not being a "negative nacy" just givin some good advice, I think thats the point of BL harm reduction right lol no offense taken man. I really appretiate the input from you all! I am sorry for the late reply I never got the email that anyone replied! I learned everything I know about drugs on this site from you all it's awesome to be a part of it, and hope to share some experience with people that I can help! I know a lot of what not to do and pharmaceuticals are usually my expertise, that vyvanse stuff was just a retarded drug to abuse, never had fun with it but I guess curiosity got the best of me. I wanted to make that thread just so kids know better than to listen to the doctor about everything, they know suprisingly little. He would always go "you still smoking? NOT WEED RIGHT?" lol then gives me amphetamines. Dumbass lol My sister is prescribed benzos for her sleep as a longterm solution, and just thinks they are harmless. This website and you all save a lot of people from ignorant doctors who don't know shit and dumb parents who listen to what they say as if it is truth. 8 year olds on stims, how many times have you seen the worried parent going I dont know why my kid is raging or crying for no reason and hasnt slept for days. the fuck. sorry for the vent lol.

centrol315, Not in my experience they always helped and went well together with vyvanse or any speedy substance! They are misery be gone pills for the end of acid trips! Get those legs to stop kicking for sure lol and ya I know caffeine is bad with them but I got to have my dew bro hahahaa

Well I hope this thread helps someone! I am fighting the nod right now, so sorry for the rambling its keepin me awake lol.
 
re dosing amphetamines (regardless what RX) is a waste of time. your brain has to be ready to rock and roll on speed...as it rocks and rolls ur brain, it releases dopamine and serotonin, the more it releases, the less of that chemical u have in ur brain. that means by redosing the amphetamin, ur brain cant release these natural chemicals, so ur body is relying on the synthetic chemicals (adderall) to make u feel normal, or extend ur high..after losing sleep, losing food intake, and vitamins, your body simply cannot give u the euphoria cause it has no goof in the brain to make the speed work..all ur oding eventuall yis avoiding a crash..sorry if i am explaining like a10 yr old..m ymind is racing now and im in a hurry to type this..hope that makes sense for dummies lol
 
Amphetamines are cardiotoxic. Having said that, visit a cardiologist to rule out the possibility of dormant heat problems. Once that's done, you can chalk it off to anxiety which is what I (and several other posters) suspect.

Good luck.
 
Dude, you're 19 and you're obviously prone to addiction. Sometimes it runs in the family, sometimes it develops on its own, but regardless of that it's imperative that you be proactive about it now while you're still young and healthy. I'd recommend you quit all intoxicants now, and see about finding a therapist to talk to to try and identify any underlying causes and get on the road to recovery.
 
I have been in a few rehabs, AA, and therapy since my use started fuckin me up. Idk I guess I will stop or just go till I die. I am definitely an addict haha. But man quitting is a bitch. I stopped vyvanse, it started just making me feel like dog shit when I took it so I switched to a patch called daytrana. It works well, just trying like fuck to not do any extractions because I need the shit for my ADD. Bout to get klons in two weeks just had to play the doctor game. Heart is healthy and bp was 120 over 80 last time I got it done LOL how crazy is that? I appreciate y'all a lot, this site has saved my ass more times than I can count as far as not overdosing. I never knew what seretonin syndrome was and was headed for it with all the mdma I was using so I just straight up stopped that shit. I have slowed down a lot lately though. But seriously thanks to all y'all, life savers for real
 
Don't combine such high doses of amphetamine with caffeine and nicotine. Even if you go to the doc and find out your fine, that kind of combination is going to get to you one day.
 
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