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violence in cronulla - a recreation of... (MERGED)

looks to me like a mob of (very ugly) cheerleaders... and that little boy in the picture could very well be mistaken for someone of "middle eastern" appearence.

it would be terrible for someone as innocent as that to be caught up in it.

but i mean, just what the fuck are children doing at protests ?
 
SYDNEY (Reuters) - More than 450 policemen, four times the usual number, will patrol Sydney's streets on Tuesday to prevent a third night of racial violence by youth gangs who have attacked people, smashed cars and hurled rocks at police.

Officials also said the state parliament of New South Wales (NSW) was being called into emergency session on Thursday to give police special powers to "lockdown" parts of Sydney, Australia's biggest city, to stop the unrest.

Police will also be allowed to ban consumption of alcohol in areas of unrest by shutting down licensed premises and prohibiting anyone from carrying liquor.

The move comes after gangs of youths, mainly of Middle Eastern background, attacked several people with baseball bats, vandalised cars and were involved in rock-throwing skirmishes with police for a second night on Monday, officials said.

Police also said they found 30 Molotov cocktails and crates of rocks stockpiled on rooftops, as hundreds of local surfers gathered at Maroubra Beach.

Sydney's Catholic Archbishop George Pell said bullets were fired at a school staging Christmas carols in Sydney's west on Monday night.

"These criminals have declared war on our society and we are not going to let them win," said NSW premier Morris Iemma.

"You will not take control of our streets," he said while announcing the special police powers similar to those for security during the Sydney 2000 Olympics.

The state government will also increase the jail term for rioting from five to 15 years and double the penalty for affray, fighting in public, to 10 years.

Racial violence erupted at Sydney's Cronulla Beach on Sunday when some 5,000 people, some yelling racist chants, attacked youths of Middle Eastern background.

Drunk mobs of youths, some wrapped in Australian flags, said they were defending their beach after lifesavers were attacked. They believe the attackers were of Lebanese background. Continued ...



http://today.reuters.com/News/newsA...01_SPI301866_RTRUKOC_0_US-AUSTRALIA-BEACH.xml
 
the cruel sea said:
i wonder if jonnie will dilly dally like his mate did over the katrina fiasco. or will he follow his immigration policy and extend deportation laws like they have in the u.s., to include the children born of migrant parents, even if they were born in said country. after all, these guys wont go anywhere near passing the "character" test. poor robert jovovic.

the rednek skip`s can go with them...



oh, and by the way keystroke... you are sailing three sheets from the wind, moderator or not, especially for a moderator.

Gee, I wonder who's pseudo this could be :\

Why not just post under your real identity? Oh wait, you are too much of a Coward for that 8(
 
Pleonastic said:
Allow me to memberate for a second.

Established facts from this thread:
  • Racism is bad. no matter who does it
  • Violence is bad, no matter who does it
  • Attacking innocent people is bad, no matter who does it
Both sides have done this, and as I said in my post a little earlier, it's fucking pointless to try to prove who's "done it worse". So if we can take these established facts and stop trying to justify them, this thread will be far better off. I'm not saying that the previous 13 pages were a waste of time - far from it - but it could easily go on for another 13 and we wouldn't be any further along in the debate.

What I'd be interested in hearing now is an analysis of how both "sides" got to this point. It's sort of been touched on already by some people in this thread, but was drowned out in the shouting.
Pleonastic said:
Thanks Kat.

Everyone, can we have more posts like that and less back and forth pissing into the wind? I tried to put it nicely before, but again, can the people who are just attacking each other and trying to prove who is "more wrong" just shut the fuck up. You've ALL started going around and around in fucking circles, and it's time to take a break. Calm the fuck down - it's clear nobody is going to back down on their point of view, so just leave it be.

Here here! Pleo for prezident!

Again I reiterate that I am glad I don't live in sydney...
 
Faustus said:
ih42s7.jpg

hu that would 4 awsome
 
keystroke said:
SYDNEY (Reuters) - More than 450 policemen, four times the usual number, will patrol Sydney's streets on Tuesday to prevent a third night of racial violence by youth gangs who have attacked people, smashed cars and hurled rocks at police.

Officials also said the state parliament of New South Wales (NSW) was being called into emergency session on Thursday to give police special powers to "lockdown" parts of Sydney, Australia's biggest city, to stop the unrest.

Police will also be allowed to ban consumption of alcohol in areas of unrest by shutting down licensed premises and prohibiting anyone from carrying liquor.

this is more worrying than the incident itself in my opinion. further proof that the libs and the labor party are one and the same. how long until it extends to other suburbs indefinately, yes i'm suffering from police state paranoia.


Beach thugs read the riot act
By staff writers and wires
13-12-2005
From: AAP

THE New South Wales Government is to give police tough new powers, including the ability to declare alcohol-free zones and the ability to search people and their vehicles in an attempt to quash the spiralling violence on Sydney's beaches.
Police will also get additional powers to confiscate vehicles owned by people involved in social unrest....

what i'm interested to learn is what is going to constitute "social unrest" in these new laws.
 
^ by definition - social unrest

A rebellion is, in the most general sense, a refusal to accept authority. It may thus be seen as encompassing a range of behaviors from a mild flouting of social norms to a violent organized attempt to destroy established authority. It is often used to refer to armed resistance to an established government. Those who participate in rebellions are "rebels".

Based on that definition, I'd say anyone who is behaving like a dickhead and starting fights, drinking in places where they shouldn't be, inciting hate, smashing up public & private property, urinating in a public place - anything that can get you thrown in the drunk tank for a night, regardless of race.
 
plazma said:
Lastly I think its perfectly reasonable that the Australian flag should be associated with such racist violence, for a country that STILL hasn't apologised for the genocide, dispossession and virtual cultural annihilation of its original inhabitants, and has some of the most racist immigration policy (STILL) in the world, I think its perfectly apt that the flag should be dragged through the dirt where it belongs, until this country changes a lot of policy we are ALWAYS going to be a nation of racist, bigoted, narrow minded fuckwits

exactly. howard had the chance to publicly say 'sorry' to the aborigines at the 2000 sydney olympic games and chose not too. and what are we in now, 2005, and still nothing! fucking disgusting.

this thread sickens me.
 
electreauxbella said:
^ by definition - social unrest

A rebellion is, in the most general sense, a refusal to accept authority. It may thus be seen as encompassing a range of behaviors from a mild flouting of social norms to a violent organized attempt to destroy established authority. It is often used to refer to armed resistance to an established government. Those who participate in rebellions are "rebels".

Based on that definition, I'd say anyone who is behaving like a dickhead and starting fights, drinking in places where they shouldn't be, inciting hate, smashing up public & private property, urinating in a public place - anything that can get you thrown in the drunk tank for a night, regardless of race.

yeah but will these new laws affect peaceful protests against the state, such as greenpeace or anti-globalization protesters? that is my concern.
 
fuck. I tried not to get involved with this but I just can't help myself. where to start , where to start....

As a person of 'ethnic' extraction, I felt an enormous pang of sadness when I watched the events which have unfolded over the last couple of days. A big part of me raged at the mob who rampaged through Cronulla whilst an even bigger part dismayed at the loss of what I thought was 'my Australia'. No longer did I have the privledge of watching the racially fueled riots in America, Britian, France whilst sitting back in my lounge rooms being thankful that it wasn't in our country. No longer could I smugly say "only in America" when I read about young women being attacked by groups of men. Looking back, I realised that I was naive to think that we, as a country, were immune to such acts of madness. I've come to conclusion, that at the core of every man, women and child, we are (for want of a better word), racist. Everyone, irrespective of colour, creed, nationality or religion.

I believe it's human nature to associate best with those that we relate to - and as visual creatures, we relate best those people who look like us, have the same features, the same coloured skin. At the most basic level, we're just 5 - 6 massive tribes mashed together. Tribes, which after hundreds of years of social engineering, have learnt to live together. However, once you strip away all that social conditioning, all you're left with is one tribe vs another. Tribal warfare. That's what we saw on Sunday. One tribe defending it's territory from another. And dare I say it - with justifcation. :o

I'm not going to sit up here on my high horse and tell KS, OC et al that they're racists. I wasn't there. I haven't been abused just because I'm 'aussi'. I haven't been bashed by gangs of 'lebs' or rolled for my wallet and phone by a gang of 'lebs'. I haven't had to worry about my kid's safety when they're going to the beach. We need to stop sticking your head in the sand and stop pretending that the events on sunday were not without provocation. It's easy to judge when you haven't walked a mile in their shoes. So I won't call them racists. I just don't understand where they are coming from. Having said that, I deplore the acts of violence again innocents based on their skin colour.

The word 'assimilate' however, does upset me. What exactly do we mean by this in the context of multiculturalism? Are ethnic cultures in australia assimilated when they all drink VB, watch footy or cricket, speak english and like to have a surf? Fuck, how boring would that be. I suspect that our pollies and the media throw this word around when they really mean that we should all be 'white'. "The Lebanise community should assimilate into the australian culture" Don't you really mean to say "the lebanise community should look white, talk white and act white"? Cause thats the tone I'm getting. Ethnic cultures shouldn't have to 'assimilate' at all. We should all celebrate our differences. Every culture has a richness and colour which shouldn't be sacrficed. As I see it, multiculturalism the exact opposite of assimilation. Am I so naive however, to think that different cultures are completlely compatible with each other? I don't think that's that case at all. So really, instead of demanding other cultures and ethnicities to assimilate, we just ask other cultures to respect our culture, and we will respect theirs.

Finally - multiculturalism. I've seen a lot of comment here, there, everywhere about the multiculturalism experiment and how it has failed. How it's all to blame for our racial problems. I've thought about this a lot and I've come to the conclusion that yes, multiculturalism has been less than successful. But how do we measure the success of multiculturalism? When do we get to the point where we say "yep. We're finished. Multiculturalism is a success". Do we compare ourselves against racially divided countries like the USA or do we hold up country like Japan (which has little to no immigration) as the yardstick? I don't think you can compare or measure. There is no end game, no destination. Just something which needs a lot of hard work and effort and along the way, you're going to have some wins and loses. Multiculturalsim is something which doens't come easy but I don't think we should give up on it.

So that's it. I'm out. No more food for thought. This could be most I have rambled on about in BL. Thanks for listening. Apologies if I've offended anyone cause I've meant none.
 
I will admit straight up that I haven't read this thread because this whole scene just sickens me.

If you want to point fingers, here is wher I suggest you all start....

Daily Telegraph
Australian Current Affair
Today Tonight
Channel Nine news
2UE

The events of Sunday can be linked to the media. It may have been racism and alcohol that fueled the event, but the media was the ultimate protagonist.

lastly, there are a lot of bad attitude lebanese guys out there and they are cunts, but for everyone of them there is another (if not more) bad attitude [insert number here] generation Australian male youth (read redneck) that is just as bad and they are cunts too. One of the bullshit reasons these dicks in Cronulla kept giving on Sunday was that Leb guys threatened to rape women and made disgusting comments to them. Hmmmm, how many times have I seen a bunch of wankers in Cronulla, Central Coast, Newcastle and Surfers Paradise do that.... TOO MANY TIMES!!!!!

Eggman out!
 
Sorry, one more thing...

those ripping into KEYSTROKE may want to pull their head in a bit. He isnt supporting thuggery, racism or violence and he most certainly isnt conducting incitement via telecommunications as some legal illiterate posted.

Keystroke is giving a little social commentary from the mind of someone that actualy lives in this environment. Those of you that are mis interpreting are really just embarrasing yourselves.
 
Good post Nezo.

Basically none of this really surprises me. A lot of it comes down to lack of education and overly emotional responses from people. It's easy to see how little positives this violence will achieve but people do not always think with logic and reason. People respond emotionally and when mob mentality begins to form this is drastically increased.

There will ALWAYS be conflict so long as there is ignorance and misunderstanding. Given that we as humans need to generalise and classify, far too many people see the world in black and white, right and wrong, when really... life is nothing but shades of grey.

What if it were not a group of lebanese men, but a multicultural group committing the same assaults? What group could we point the finger at?

The mistake people make is associating the actions of a few, as indicative of the actions of all.

meh

Adikkal
 
eggman88888 said:
Sorry, one more thing...

those ripping into KEYSTROKE may want to pull their head in a bit. He isnt supporting thuggery, racism or violence and he most certainly isnt conducting incitement via telecommunications as some legal illiterate posted.

Keystroke is giving a little social commentary from the mind of someone that actualy lives in this environment. Those of you that are mis interpreting are really just embarrasing yourselves.

*edit* not necessary
 
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