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villz said:
Yeh ok I skipped pages 9-13, yous were all starting to go round in circles abusing each other.

Keystroke & Chops - If the police aren't going to do anything there are about 15 ways a person in a democratic society can bring attention to, and help to fix the problem. Bringing the attention to the media and politicians is something that springs to mind.
Or if you're so passionate about the cause, why don't you become a copper yourself mate?


can you read every post in this thread, then google "Cronulla" and take a look at the local MP and the local community who have been trying to have more police in the area for years and years now because this has been an ongoing thing. Each time it was brushed away.
 
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keystroke said:
can you read every post in this thread, then google "Cronulla" and take a look at the local MP and the local community who have been trying to have more police in the area for years and years now because this has been an ongoing thing. Each time it was brushed away.

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the facts remain:

Violence is wrong & doesn't solve anything.

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There are other ways of solving your problems.

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chugs - how do you know there were no asians/islanders there on sunday?

O wait, thats right, i forgot... YOUR TV/Radio/Newspaper told you that!!!

I will admit now, there were no asians down there, but there were a few small (very fuckin scary) groups of islanders, and im sure i saw at least one small group of what i would think were Original Maoris, with the original tattoos all up there arms and everything. They were minding there own business just watching it all flow by...

I think some of the people in this thread need to put themselves into the locals shoes...

For the past x amount of years, you have been able to go down the beach, peaceful as shit, relax, have a beer, and a good ol surf...

Now you go down there,


- cant leave a mate there by him/herself due to they might be attacked
- cant leave wallet/keys/towel there because it will suddenly disappear
- there was basically no use being female by yourself down there due to being verbally abused each and everytime
- being a parent down there, you get shown no respect by people younger than you of the middle eastern disent because its THEIR BEACH.

If/when i finally have kids, i would love to be able to let them go to the beach, where we can have a peaceful day. Not a day where we will be attacked and victimised because some fuckwit teenage lebs think they can run the place...

If they could learn some respect im sure the locals would let them have their way down the beach, but it reached boiling point and i dont think its ever going to return to normal down there...
 
CutHere said:
I'm not interested in calling you a racist but I do care if you try and justify mob violence.

Which for the last fuckin' time I did not EVER justify mob violence, like I said, just because you WANT something to be true doesn't mean it is, but please show me where the fuck I stated that? Where? I've given my opinion on the mob violence, and that was that it was wrong, and that there was no excuse for it, so please explain how that is justifying mob violence? All I stated was that I could see why this happened and that I hated the hypocrisy that goes along with things like this, but please, show me how any of that is me "justifying mob violence"? Go ahead and knock yourself out...

BTW, what am I looking in the mirror for?
 
i wonder if jonnie will dilly dally like his mate did over the katrina fiasco. or will he follow his immigration policy and extend deportation laws like they have in the u.s., to include the children born of migrant parents, even if they were born in said country. after all, these guys wont go anywhere near passing the "character" test. poor robert jovovic.

the rednek skip`s can go with them...



oh, and by the way keystroke... you are sailing three sheets from the wind, moderator or not, especially for a moderator.
 
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poor robert jovovic.

yes, poor Robert. he didn't mean to commit serious crimes, where was his family when he was doing these crimes? it wasn't the governments fault he decided to take up a smack addiction and go and commit crimes that would almost always see you deported.

they should of sent him to France, not Serbia though.
 
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chugs said:
You claim to understand why the mob did what it did and argue that it was the segregation of certain ethnic communities, who are violent and ill-tempered who are directly responsible for this violence. .

Where did I say this? Please do show me the quote where I said it…

chugs said:
When people take this statement to it's logical conclusion (yes without you directly stating so) it becomes apparent that you're justifying the mob's attack.

Which statement would that be? What ”logical conclusion”? So even though I didn’t directly state something, you figure you’d just state it for me and then claim that that’s what I meant even though I’ve said numerous times that that’s NOT what I meant, because that fits better into you argument? Interesting…

chugs said:
Above all you feel that years of Arab's raping/beating people justifys the subsequent rage and violent attacks against these ethnic groups, i.e. all people from the middle east. .

Really? Is that what “I feel”? Again, please point out where I stated any such thing? Source please…

What I did say was that I can see that “men of Middle Eastern origin” threatening and assaulting people in an area over the span of years is ONE of the REASONS BEHIND “the subsequent rage and violent attacks against these ethnic groups”. How that’s a justification of the mob violence, I’ll never know, but I’d be really curious for you to explain it to me?

So does that mean then that you disagree that that’s ONE of the reasons behind Sundays violence?

chugs said:
You continue to claim that because Middle eastern societies/countries are hostile to the west that it equally justify a hostile reaction from us. Again violence isn't going to calm the middle east, it isn't going to get us respect and above all it's not going to solve our problems here. .

Where in this thread do I EVER say that? If you’ve got to stoop to the point in a argument where you have to start knowingly taking peoples statements out of context and out right lying to prove your point then its time to quit? Again, source please…

chugs said:
Isn't there are saying, something like "only small minds want always to be right", I think aptly describes your reaction in this matter. .


I don’t want to be right about “everything”, just this, because I’m not going to be told by someone else that I meant something that I didn’t, period. You see, during an argument both sides are trying to prove they’re right, that’s what makes it an argument.

All I ask now is that you please show me the quotes to back up what you’ve said in regards to what I’ve said previously. Please, remember to make sure an information’s in context.
 
Sydney Lebanese community fears backlash after Cronulla riot PRINT FRIENDLY EMAIL STORY
The World Today - Monday, 12 December , 2005 12:14:00
Reporter: Jennifer Macey
KAREN PERCY: Lebanese Australians have condemned the weekend's events, describing the violence on all sides as disgusting. Out in Sydney's south-western suburbs, home to a large Lebanese community, people fear a possible backlash against the entire community.

Jennifer Macey went to Lakemba and filed this report.

JENNIFER MACEY: On the streets of Lakemba, home to the majority of Sydney's Lebanese community, there was reluctance to talk about the violence in Cronulla over the weekend.

Some feared an attack on lifesavers earlier in the week, blamed on a gang of Lebanese youth, would result in a backlash for the entire community.

VOX POP 1: We're not here to cause any trouble at all, at all, at all. We've been in the country for 36 to 40 years, nothing happened at all. Why is it happening now? I don't know. I go swimming, I take my kids to Cronulla, I take them to Manly, we go and swim, you know?

VOX POP 2: I think it's disgraceful. I think the bashing of the lifeguards was disgraceful, but what happened yesterday was a truly scary precedent in Australian history, and I think that comes down to 10 years of Howard Government, where he's played the race card for so many years that it's now sort of seeped into the Australian psyche, or the ethos, that it's okay to be racist, or to make excuse based on people's ethnicities - to target people, basically.

VOX POP 3: You know what I mean, I couldn't sleep yesterday. Lifesaving, my kid is practising to be a lifesaver. What's this? I wouldn't accept that, you know what I mean?

VOX POP 4: I think this is wrong, this racism, because we don't want, we don't want to se what happened in French or anywhere in the world, because we live in peace in Australia. And we don't want to see what happened overseas.

JENNIFER MACEY: Ahmed Kamaledine the President of the Lebanese Muslim Association. He says this idea of us and them is unacceptable.

AHMED KAMALEDINE: This is really disgusting, I think a lot of people are shocked for words, they're just stunned, and I'm one of those people. It's hard to say what could motivate for such a person, such people to go out of the lead, you know, and go out and do such a thing.

But regardless, this is not the way to treat a problem existing in the community. We give full support to the police. We also ask the police to go out and have a look at the surveillance and all the footage on the day, and bring those people to justice.

JENNIFER MACEY: He's concerned that talkback radio is fuelling anger and resentment against the Lebanese community.

AHMED KAMALEDINE: But a lot of suggestions by some of the media outlets, talkback radios, that go out there - even headlines across the newspapers as well - really isolate some of the people.

So, if you're going to stereotype a kid of Lebanese descent who thinks that he's being labelled or targeted, he might say something stupid, you know, or he might do something stupid. But if he does, then the law must deal with it. Not to punish the rest of the community by someone's actions.

But, I mean, having said that, why don't we focus on the successful achievements that the Lebanese have been made in Australia. I mean, have a look at Marie Bashir, for example, she's Lebanese. Steven Bracks, Premier of Victoria, he's Lebanese.

I mean, have a look at the great achievements Lebanese have been done to this community, or to the Australian community. We've contributed to the Australian community, or contributed to the Australian way of life.

So we don't want to be punished and labelled and isolated by media outlets, and sometimes by politicians, by scavengers who would really use these type of events to get popularity.

JENNIFER MACEY: Eman Dandan is the office coordinator at the Lebanese Muslim Association that offers counselling services to Lebanese young people.

She questions the notion of ownership over public spaces like beaches.

EMAN DANDAN: Along the lines of, how can people like that come to our beaches? And this concept of ownership over beaches and over public property, which sort of purports this idea that we can decide who comes, if we don't like you, you're not allowed here.

I mean, this mentality that's been bred in Australia, I mean, from the issues of refugees and now to issues of beaches. I mean, just this mentality, you can see the same sort of mentality running through. It's quite ridiculous.

JENNIFER MACEY: Eman Dandan says her organisation has been cooperating with the police and says anyone who commits a crime should be dealt with as a criminal, regardless of their cultural background.

EMAN DANDAN: It's really, it's leading Australia down the one-way track of returning to a White Australia policy. And I mean, if that's where we want to go, then we've really got to… I mean, we can look at the results that reaped… and if we can't learn from our mistakes, and our history, then when are we going to learn?

KAREN PERCY: That's Eman Dandan, from the Lebanese Muslim Association in Lakemba, speaking to Jennifer Macey.
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keystroke said:
yes, poor Robert. he didn't mean to commit serious crimes, where was his family when he was doing these crimes? it wasn't the governments fault he decided to take up a smack addiction and go and commit crimes that would almost always see you deported.

they should of sent him to France, not Serbia though.

what does your last line mean? i'm not all that familiar with the case but know basic details so take that into account when responding if you so choose to.
 
^^ he was born in France. Moved here when he was 2 years old. 35 years later we deported him to Serbia.
 
keystroke said:
yes, poor Robert. he didn't mean to commit serious crimes, where was his family when he was doing these crimes? it wasn't the governments fault he decided to take up a smack addiction and go and commit crimes that would almost always see you deported.

they should of sent him to France, not Serbia though.

oh you know something about the law do you ? they are breaking international law for a start, then they say it is based on "character grounds". what a load of bullshit.

and your last line says it all, jonnie or any other government for that fact, wont for but a minute, fuck with the french.

thats why he was sent to serbia.

then you ask yourself the question "how can he be let in to serbia without status ?"

cos the australian government MUST have cut a deal. period.

hows that for character.

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I've never said that innocent people deserve to be hurt. I have said from the start that the guilty ethnic thugs that have rampaged the Shire for the past 10 years have no reason to complain now if they cop a flogging.
 
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ohhh, so you are in support of these people ? as for interpretation, i would be more than happy to present an argument in a court of law. against you.
 
in support of the people in that photo out in show, with australian flags, a sign that says "respect the locals or piss off" and seemingly just enjoying a peaceful day for them?

yes I support those people!
 
well, now you have said it yourself, "seemingly" ? anyone following the crowd that day is culpable. any sane australian would have totally distanced themselves from the mob.
 
most people didn't follow the mob, had you of been able to read, actually went to Cronulla or picked up any newspaper and read the eye-witness reports from the scene you'd of realised that it was mostly a group of very well behaved people. there was a small pocket of trouble-makers, which the media seems to only want to focus on because well behaved people don't sell papers.
 
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