violence in cronulla - a recreation of... (MERGED)

[xcidium]

Shnouzerpuff : Although there was an attack on a Perth family's home last night. They aren't sure if it was racialy motivated though, but it involved egging the house and kicking in the garage door.

 

[Zero the hero]

I use blatant racism as a form of irony, to show you how to stupid it sounds coming from several of the protagonists in this forum.

Really? Always an excuse isn't there? Well, as long as you’re not white that is, right? I guess you’d readily except that it was just me being “ironic” if I peppered all my previous posts with words like slant, slope, slit, chink, nip, etc, and then claimed when I got pulled up on it, that I was simply being “ironic”? Bullshit, you’d be bawling like a schoolgirl about it. You’re a liar, and a racist, period, and your posts have proven that over and over again.

Regarding the several comments I've made about committing violence against those who have wronged me again I use this to reflect the stupidity of it.

Excuse two, yeah, I’m sure you did. Btw, I can’t seem to recall you mentioning being violent in the context of you “defending yourself” while being mugged at all?

I haven't "rabbited" I've formed well constructed arguments to which all you do is harp on about prose & grammar .

No, you haven't, your arguments are weak and almost unintelligible and when you're asked to explain what you meant, or, you are proven wrong, you simply ignore what was said and move on. In so far as “grammar and prose” are concerned, well, if you want to get your point across and have people take you seriously, yes, spelling, grammar and prose are KINDA important (obviously not an issue with you anyway so I’ll just leave it there).

Go on put forth your beliefs, your guiding ethics and dogma's that justify your stance in this matter. Believe me I won't be stupid enough to go on about spelling. I'll dismantle your argument with logic and reason..

Fuck, what parallel universe are you living in? "Logic and reason"? "Dismantle"? You might want to start with actually ADRESSING some of my arguments first...8) Which brings me to the question, what is my "stance in this matter"? This should be good, please enlighten me…

So please enlighten me as to... .

a) how violence will solve this.

It won't AND I NEVER, EVER SAID AT ANYTIME THAT IT WOULD! Though please, do feel free to prove me wrong...

b) how beating some will make them respect us.

See answer above, apply here...

c) how it's the colour of one's skin that is causing this source problems.

I never said it was the original root cause of the problems, but, when one side takes it to another level and makes it about culture/ethnicity then that's what becomes the focus. There, happy now?

 

[CutHere]

 

[Zero the hero]

It would have been much funnier if the flag that was on fire was one of the ones a flag waving goon was wearing around his neck as he was running around beating random ethnic people.

That's what you get when you attack an innocent woman and ambulance drivers assisting wounded.

How long do you want to keep going around in circles with this?

I love the one-sidedness that people, such as you have displayed in this thread. Why is it people like you only mention what happened during Sunday avro's violence. You condemn, and condemn how the racism displayed at Cronella is so ugly and shameful, and how horrible the perpetrators of these crimes are, yet, you seem to be reluctant to display the same fervent condemnation for ALL the racially motivated attacks that have occurred against White and Asian people since then? The attempted murders, the brutal assaults, the vandalism or for the police officers that were run down the other night while attempting to stop any violence? Why? Pathetic…

 

[Faustus]

 

[Wacky]

the only thing wrong with the violence against middle easterners is that some innocent people will be hurt, but by now if they still hang around, they've had plenty of warnings.

How disgusting .

You blame the innocent middle easterm victims for being hurt.People that are NOT hurting ANYONE, have every right to be in Cronulla at a time they choose,in our free society.Your so called warnings,NOT everyone follows the media,so plenty of people may NOT have heard what could happen,plus anyway there is NO EXCUSE for them to be violently attacked.

If we go by your logic: Why didn't you mention, the white people that were in surrounding areas that got attacked that night,should have stayed in their homes,they've had plenty of warnings that there would be revenge attacks.

(For the record I don't blame any of the victims in these cases.I blame BOTH SIDES for the ugly violence,plus the federal government that has planted the seed with racist policies, which I've mentioned in previous posts,in this thread.)

Or do you only blame the victims when they are middle eastern looking people?


I'm glad there are some decent people in this thread(I know who they are and are NOT ).

THERE is NO EXCUSE for INNOCENT PEOPLE on BOTH SIDES BEING ATTACKED!!!!!

The only excuse for one side, seems to be for the RACISTS! coping out,BLAMING and excusing the attacks on innocent middle eastern looking people

I'm NOT surprised,but sadly many of the people in this thread disgust me with their RACIST excuses for justifying violence.

RESPECT to the people that have expressed their disgust at ALL of these violent attacks .

 

[CutHere]

I love the one-sidedness that people, such as you have displayed in this thread. Why is it people like you only mention what happened during Sunday avro's violence. You condemn, and condemn how the racism displayed at Cronella is so ugly and shameful, and how horrible the perpetrators of these crimes are, yet, you seem to be reluctant to display the same fervent condemnation for ALL the racially motivated attacks that have occurred against White and Asian people since then? The attempted murders, the brutal assaults, the vandalism or for the police officers that were run down the other night while attempting to stop any violence? Why? Pathetic…

Well it's obvious aint it? There were 5000 caucasians who roamed the streets and chased kids in to pubs yelling racist and frightening slogans. They beat down girls and repeatedly kicked them. They bashed a guy who was putting out his bin.

I think crikey says it best (thanks onetwothreefour for posting the excellent article):

I agreed with a lot of it, I'd seen these guys before and I'd been intimidated by them. But what I saw today was far scarier than the Leb guys could ever be. Behaviour far more more aggressive than any ethnic I've ever seen. Rudeness?

Reading reports from websites around the world and you have Sydney people of all East-European & Middle Eastern backgrounds fearing for their safety. You have people of Asian descent fearing if the mob turns on them. It's obvious that the mob on Sunday has taken this to a far greater scale than it ever was before.

Nevertheless, every post I've read on this board that condemns Sunday's violence also condemns the ethnic gangs. How absurd that anyone would try and justigy either side!

 

[CutHere]

the only thing wrong with the violence against middle easterners is that some innocent people will be hurt, but by now if they still hang around, they've had plenty of warnings.

This is probably one of the most offensive and disturbing things I've ever heard on bluelight. And by a moderator nonetheless...

 

[ZeusUnit]

hahaha faustus thats awsome

 

[Zero the hero]

Well ok then. You think this happened because for a number of years thugs were roaming the streets.

Yes, I do think that was a very signifigant part of the problem, do you deny that?

Yes I see "why" it happened but I see different reasons. I see a bunch of racists using alchohol and mob mentality to push their political agenda. I see them manipulating a bunch of people with generalisations and racist slogans in to attacking innocent people.

Really, simple as that? Again, what about the YEARS of tension brought on by people from the outer suburbs, people who happen to be (as in coincidentally) of "Middle Eastern" descent coming to this beach and throwing their weight around, intimidating the locals, and mentioning their ethnicity whilst they did it? All these years of simmering tensions then being brought to the boil by the vicious attack of some KIDS on the beach who were just doing their jobs, an attack that was apparently racially/culturally motivated. I also believe that the bashing of those kids was the straw that broke the camel’s back. I completely agree that what that disgusting mob did at Cronella on Sunday was wrong, of course it was, and I never, ever said, or even hinted otherwise. But then again, I do disagree with you on some points as to why all this occurred so I must be a “racist” right?

I’ve never completely blamed any one group, and perhaps had you cared to look a little closer at my previous posts before you attempted to brand me as some sort of racist you’d have been aware of that *edit* personal attack

But the reason I say you're trying to justify it is that you make such a narrow interpretation of the events leading up to yesterday you're clearly telling the story with an agenda.

Sigh- it’s always so easy to play the race card isn’t it? For the last time, I wasn’t “telling the story with an agenda”, you can say it as many times as you want and it still won’t change the fact that that’s not what I said or meant, period. *edit* personal attack

 

[0ff1cer_ch0ps]

wells its the truth

cuthere... were are you today crying about the police officers being attacked at Lakemba and other various places last night?

Or is that ok because the lebs attacked them?

You were quick to jump on the bandwagon yesterday when it was about the ambulance officers being attacked!!! when i have clearly stated, and this first hand evidence, they were only caught in the line of fire...

 

[plazma]

*edit* not necessary

The Mid-Eastern Ethnic gangs may have a lot to answer for, but they sure to fuck have never gotten 5000 people in one place and started indiscriminitely bashing the fuck out of, and abusing the shit out of anyone who's not of their ethnicity. I think this is obviously going to be the catalyst for a WHOLE bunch more shit given the kind of inherent racism in the 'war on terror' has already produced a siege mentality among much of the mid-eastern community.

The sheer racism and prejudice in this thread is not wholly surprising. I think anyone who's shocked by it should go back to the Tampa thread of 2001.

Lastly I think its perfectly reasonable that the Australian flag should be associated with such racist violence, for a country that STILL hasn't apologised for the genocide, dispossession and virtual cultural annihilation of its original inhabitants, and has some of the most racist immigration policy (STILL) in the world, I think its perfectly apt that the flag should be dragged through the dirt where it belongs, until this country changes a lot of policy we are ALWAYS going to be a nation of racist, bigoted, narrow minded fuckwits *edit* not necessary

-plaz out-

 

[CutHere]

wells its the truth

cuthere... were are you today crying about the police officers being attacked at Lakemba and other various places last night?

Or is that ok because the lebs attacked them?

You were quick to jump on the bandwagon yesterday when it was about the ambulance officers being attacked!!! when i have clearly stated, and this first hand evidence, they were only caught in the line of fire...

I think it's terrible that ANYONE attacks the police.In fact, it's terrible that ANYONE attacks ANYONE. Why is this so hard for you to understand? **edit* personal attack

Both the middle eastern & caucasian gangs need to be stopped. I've made this VERY clear.

 

[CutHere]

The Mid-Eastern Ethnic gangs may have a lot to answer for, but they sure to fuck have never gotten 5000 people in one place and started indiscriminitely bashing the fuck out of, and abusing the shit out of anyone who's not of their ethnicity.

word.

And this is exactly why most people are commenting about Sunday's event. Because it's a fuck load more scary than anything the "Lebs" have done.

 

[plazma]

On second thoughts, how about a universal thank-you to ALL The racist fuckwit bigots in that crowd, who have JUST confirmed EVERYTHING that the extremist clerics have been preaching about the racism inherent in Australian culture, you've just ENSURED the future of home-grown race related violence and terrorism.

-plaz out-

 

[Zero the hero]

Well it's obvious aint it? There were 5000 caucasians who roamed the streets and chased kids in to pubs yelling racist and frightening slogans. They beat down girls and repeatedly kicked them. They bashed a guy who was putting out his bin.

And your point is...?

Nevertheless, every post I've read on this board that condemns Sunday's violence also condemns the ethnic gangs.

Huh!? You must do some pretty selective reading then...

How absurd that anyone would try and justigy either side!

Well, at least we can agree on something.

 

[Wacky]

I think its perfectly reasonable that the Australian flag should be associated with such racist violence, for a country that STILL hasn't apologised for the genocide, dispossession and virtual cultural annihilation of its original inhabitants, and has some of the most racist immigration policy (STILL) in the world.

I think its perfectly apt that the flag should be dragged through the dirt where it belongs, until this country changes a lot of policy we are ALWAYS going to be a nation of racist, bigoted, narrow minded fuckwits

-plaz out-

Sadly I totally agree.

Thought I'd especially highlight the last part.

The sad reality, the rest of the world needs to see how racist Australia can be.Maybe as a country, we will try to wake up to ourselves,I can only hope...............................

 

[CutHere]

(jerk) ... Got it jerk?

please explain why I should reply to you?

 

[thinctwo]

car burnings, people dying in stupid violence, and such happen when certain sports teams win titles. i know little of this, so pardon my ignorance.
how many people have died, etc, and how does this compare to the la riots after rodney king shit in 92?

 

[Zero the hero]

The Mid-Eastern Ethnic gangs may have a lot to answer for, but they sure to fuck have never gotten 5000 people in one place and started indiscriminitely bashing the fuck out of, and abusing the shit out of anyone who's not of their ethnicity.

So because they do the same things, just in smaller groups, means that they hold some sort of moral high ground in regards to this sort of shit?