violence in cronulla - a recreation of... (MERGED)

[chugs]

Really? I'm no different? Do I do all those things? Really? Do we know each other? You obviously don't know me at all, do you shit for brains, or is the "you" in reference to my race in general? That begs another question, when you go on to say " you wankers"? That's in reference to me being separate from you because of my assumed racial background then? Can you hear that? I think that's the sound of your credibility being flushed down the toilet..

Ah so your a thinker eh - you sit back in your white tower, surrounded by your many books wherein you create powerful and logical arguments to support your view's and thoughts.

Yet somehow you support the lowest common demonitor by justifying mob violence.

It doesn't matter if your a well spoken person who doesn't engage in violence, by supporting it you allow it to progagate.

Nothing is going to be solved with the bashing of a few lebs, there not going to show "respect" there going to fight back ten fold. In return you'll condone the return violence.

You in turn don't know me and more importantly it doesn't matter if i was fucking green, red, white, black or yellow - the point still sends.

There are alot of people out there who believe

a) violence solves problems
b) all lebs are violent rapiest who will diss & rape our women, take our jobs, and beat our lifesavers.

These people are flat out wrong. Even if "lebs" do this it's not their ancestory that should matter - they're human beings and should be punished for their crime, no worse no less - the colour of the skin or the accent of their voice is irrelevant.

Time after time i see posters going, "if only go to the beach, if only you surf, if only you see these lebs yelling at us".

Yes i see it, yes i've heard it but I understand why it happens.

Turn the other check, stop your brother from teasing lebs when he goes to school. STOP racism and you'll create the respect you so desire.

As if violence is going to do it fucking wanker

 

[Zero the hero]

Yes I do.

Obviously not son, but whatever makes you feel better...

 

[0ff1cer_ch0ps]

If a bunch of white yobs were playing soccer that fateful day, and were told to fuck off and stop playing by a lifesaver, whom they subsequent bashed, would there had been a riot, a rally?

and thats the whole point to this protest...

If it were "white yobs" (who is the racist now?)

If aussies were told to stop playing by the same lifesaver, im sure they would of RESPECTED the request and did was was told, weather it be move on, and put the ball away... not fuckin attack the poor kid for asking them to do something due to it being a disturbance to others

 

[Son of Samurai]

When are people gonna realise that we can't have a multicultural Australia until certain ethnic minorities get their collective arses into gear and assimilate. You simply cannot have two vastly different cultures living in the same place at the same time and expect it to be all peachy keen.

Apart from bleeding hearts who, on the outside, will do anything to make it look like they have no hate whatsoever in their hearts, the rest of any society will expect citizens within that community to bend to the social norms and fucking well like it.

Sorry, but this "rascist" tag that average Australians get lumped with, just because someone from another country or religion won't take the time to ammalgamate and we get fucking well fed up, is tantamount a blind man giving live coverage of a Melbourne Cup run.

It's time we laid the groundrules and if they can't live by those rules (like learn the fucking language and assimilate!!) then they will suffer the consequence.

 

[Beatlebot]

Right, so now anyone who doesn't speak English should be bashed. Good one.

Thanks guys, you have all helped me understand the mentality behind these mob riots. That it is racism and intolerance, nothing more.

 

[chugs]

If it were "white yobs" (who is the racist now?)

you've completely missed the point haven't you - read that paragraph over a few times, understand.

If aussies were told to stop playing by the same lifesaver, im sure they would of RESPECTED the request and did was was told, weather it be move on, and put the ball away... not fuckin attack the poor kid for asking them to do something due to it being a disturbance to others

no that is not the case - white on white violence, and mini riots occur all the time.

How many stories have you heard about central cost pubs wherein massive fights begin only to have the mob whale on any one in a blue uniform enters to break it up (in one example it ended up being an Ambo officer who got the shit beaten out of him). Bit of respect there eh

Australians have a well known disrespect for the law - what the hell do you think Waltze Sing Matilda is about, a man who respects the law right.

I could go for days quoting riots and fights that have occured in the past. What about the riots that happen in Perth at parties go out of hand. What about the one where hundreds of white kids ran through Bondi (happen this year I think). What about Macquarie fields for gods sake. Did you see them respect the Law then?

I use the word white to distinguish the hypocrisy here and show you that your attacking people based on there skin colour. You tell us we fail to acknowledge the instigating factor (the lifesaver bashing) yet you conveniently ignore the fact that if these were white kids none of this would have happened, that white on white crime happens all the time but you don't see groups of concern residents and locals reclaiming the affected areas. You don't see mobs indiscrimately hunting down white people to teach them respect and get back of them…

You don't see 15 years old making stupid jokes about how "revenge is a pisser eh"

 

[Zero the hero]

First off dude, just let me say this, if you have a problem with your written English skills, please use the spellchecker function in word, it's easy and would make your post less unpleasant to read (though they would still be HIGHLY unpleasant as nothing could really fix that.), ok?

holy shit what a stupid post. attacking the poster regarding pose? What sort of argument is that. Are we going to get down to lingiustic semantics?

It wasn't meant to be an "argument", now what were you saying about "linguistics"?

Instead of attacking our posts with bullshit why don't you justify why violence against another human being should be allowed without using the word:

"respect", "dissing our women", "revenge for those lifesavers".

What the fuck are you on about now slappy? I NEVER used ANY of those words EVER, you’re the one that used them, like here…

I've seen "my women" being dissed

you diss women the same way

dissing our women

from dissing your women

By the way, who are you referring to when you use the term "our"?

I suspect if we were face to face you idiots would probably have ended this discussion with violence right, throw a beer bottle in our face eh - seems like when your faced with indisputable violence you spastics resort to name calling, stupid jokes and violence.

Again who exactly are you referring to when you say "you idiots"? Who is the “you”?

“Name calling” like this…?

white yobbos

white spastics

fucking wanker

you wankers

“And violence”? What like this…?

it makes me want to smash their heads into the pavement.

I would be bashing, killing and raping my way through society

You’ve answered NONE of the questions I’ve previously posed to you, all you’ve done is rabbit on with posts that barely make sense and all the while displaying the fact that you obviously have no comprehension skills what so ever. The best part about it all is how you use blatant racism in your weak attempts to demonstrate why racism’s wrong?? Well at least your posts are good for a laugh if nothing else... (see that's me laughing at you...)

 

[chugs]

What the fuck are you on about now slappy? I NEVER used ANY of those words EVER, you’re the one that used them, like here…

ok you may be exempted from the racist fuck holes that have caused this mess

You’ve answered NONE of the questions I’ve previously posed to you, all you’ve done is rabbit on with posts that barely make sense and all the while displaying the fact that you obviously have no comprehension skills what so ever. The best part about it all is how you use blatant racism in your weak attempts to demonstrate why racism’s wrong?? Well at least your posts are good for a laugh if nothing else... (see that's me laughing at you...)

your going on about spelling, prose and linguistics when the city is going to be burning before the end of the year.

I use blatant racism as a form of irony, to show you how to stupid it sounds coming from several of the protagonists in this forum.

Regarding the several comments I've made about committing violence against those who have wronged me again I use this to reflect the stupidity of it.

Will smashing someone's head in the pavement stop me from being mugged again, of course not. It shows the rage that everyone goes through when they're harmed and to show the how silly it sounds when people (who arguing that the riots were completely justified) state they're going to bash a few lebs because "they haven't show respect for years".

More importantly as a human being I've learn to control myself, unlike the several thousand drunken people who attended Cronulla last Sunday.

I haven't "rabbited" I've formed well constructed arguments to which all you do is harp on about prose & grammar.

Go on put forth your beliefs, your guiding ethics and dogma's that justify your stance in this matter. Believe me I won't be stupid enough to go on about spelling. I'll dismantle your argument with logic and reason.

So please enlighten me as to

a) how violence will solve this
b) how beating some random leb/wog off the street will make them respect us
c) how can the colour of one's skin be causing this source problems.

 

[endlesseulogy]

First off dude, just let me say this, if you have a problem with your written English skills, please use the spellchecker function in word, it's easy and would make your post less unpleasant to read (though they would still be HIGHLY unpleasant as nothing could really fix that.), ok?


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holy shit what a stupid post. attacking the poster regarding pose? What sort of argument is that. Are we going to get down to lingiustic semantics?


It wasn't meant to be an "argument", now what were you saying about "linguistics"?


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Originally Posted by chugs
Instead of attacking our posts with bullshit why don't you justify why violence against another human being should be allowed without using the word:

"respect", "dissing our women", "revenge for those lifesavers".


What the fuck are you on about now slappy? I NEVER used ANY of those words EVER, you’re the one that used them, like here…


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I've seen "my women" being dissed



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you diss women the same way



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dissing our women



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from dissing your women


By the way, who are you referring to when you use the term "our"?


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Originally Posted by chugs
I suspect if we were face to face you idiots would probably have ended this discussion with violence right, throw a beer bottle in our face eh - seems like when your faced with indisputable violence you spastics resort to name calling, stupid jokes and violence.


Again who exactly are you referring to when you say "you idiots"? Who is the “you”?

“Name calling” like this…?


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white yobbos



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white spastics



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fucking wanker



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you wankers

“And violence”? What like this…?


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it makes me want to smash their heads into the pavement.



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I would be bashing, killing and raping my way through society


You’ve answered NONE of the questions I’ve previously posed to you, all you’ve done is rabbit on with posts that barely make sense and all the while displaying the fact that you obviously have no comprehension skills what so ever. The best part about it all is how you use blatant racism in your weak attempts to demonstrate why racism’s wrong?? Well at least your posts are good for a laugh if nothing else... (see that's me laughing at you...)

And you dont talk like that when you are frustrated? 8)

Everybody contradicts themselves and everybody that says they dont, is lying. *edit* no personal attacks

a) how violence will solve this
b) how beating some will make them respect us
c) how it's the colour of one's skin that is causing this source problems.

 

[0ff1cer_ch0ps]

ok, so again over night the "Middle Eastern" Youths have caused trouble all over sydney suburbs...

and wait... what did they do?

THEY ATTACKED POLICE... but wait, thats "drunken mob" fault isnt it.

The police were actually at the mosque last night to stop any Aussies getting there, to help the "middle-eastern" community.

But no, they attack them.

What will it take to stop these "thugs" that are attacking the services our tax dollars pay for? What happens if they do get hold of a cop and beat him to death (which im sure they would) would other police then get put away for shooting somone?

Fair enough the "mob" at crounulla attacked 5 innocent people, they should of known better than to be there

but how much damage have their petty attempts of anger caused? Broken cars, broken shops... why dont they just get some balls, throw there weapons away and go down to cronulla and be like men?

 

[keystroke]

I'm glad to see the fuckhead that pulled the Australian flag down from Brighton Le Sands last night pissed on it, soaked it with lighter fluid and then paraded it around while it was on fire. but he forgot to think about one thing - his clothes were highly flammable and he caught on fire in the process and badly burnt himself.


when you hit a woman in the face with a baseball bat and say "this is our country now too" you deserve to be placed on a boat and sent far far away.

 

[Pleonastic]

Both "sides" (for want of a better term) are not totally blameless in this, but trying to work out who's 49% at fault and who's 51% at fault is like pushing shit up hill with a rake.

 

[quiet roar]

For oc and keystroke and any other redneck: Let me get this straight: You criticise the lebs for being weak and not like the cronulla "men" because they fight in packs and pick on those weaker yet when the mob did this it was ok because the lebs did it first? Or is it because they were middle eastern and therefore should not have been there at all?



Agree Pleo and that's what most posters are saying - yes the leb gangs are fucked but so is what the redneck mob did.

 

[keystroke]

officer chops, it's obviously every local in Cronulla's fault that they decided they aren't going to put up with it anymore.

because that must be racist 8(

the only thing wrong with the violence against middle easterners is that some innocent people will be hurt, but by now if they still hang around, they've had plenty of warnings. Attacking Maroubra again is a big mistake, I think a few people will die this week.

 

[0ff1cer_ch0ps]

i think what happened on sunday was a bit of...

lets give them some of there own medicine...

Keystroke - from reports about the Bra Boys, they want everything peaceful, im not sure if it was just a media stunt by Kobe and Sunny Abberton to make everything peachy clean... but yeah, that met with that knob Keysar Trad and said we want to make a peace deal or some shit...

 

[0ff1cer_ch0ps]

o yeah

check out all the articles on smh.com.au about the recent events over the past 2 days... (not including the sunday mob)

look who caused most of that trouble...

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national...s-and-iron-bars/2005/12/13/1134236010815.html

that has to be my favorite, i freqent that 7-11 heaps while around... the poor bloke even looked "leb" and they were going to attack him...

Why bring guns into it for? cant you use your hands to look after yourself?

 

[lostpunk5545]

I'm glad to see the fuckhead that pulled the Australian flag down from Brighton Le Sands last night pissed on it, soaked it with lighter fluid and then paraded it around while it was on fire. but he forgot to think about one thing - his clothes were highly flammable and he caught on fire in the process and badly burnt himself.

It would have been much funnier if the flag that was on fire was one of the ones a flag waving goon was wearing around his neck as he was running around beating random ethnic people.

That's what you get when you attack an innocent woman and ambulance drivers assisting wounded.

How long do you want to keep going around in circles with this?

 

[Pleonastic]

Allow me to memberate for a second.

Established facts from this thread:

• Racism is bad. no matter who does it
• Violence is bad, no matter who does it
• Attacking innocent people is bad, no matter who does it

Both sides have done this, and as I said in my post a little earlier, it's fucking pointless to try to prove who's "done it worse". So if we can take these established facts and stop trying to justify them, this thread will be far better off. I'm not saying that the previous 13 pages were a waste of time - far from it - but it could easily go on for another 13 and we wouldn't be any further along in the debate.

What I'd be interested in hearing now is an analysis of how both "sides" got to this point. It's sort of been touched on already by some people in this thread, but was drowned out in the shouting.

 

[Shnouzerpuff]

I wonder if anyone who posted in the Bullying - Good? Bad? thread has a differing opinion between here and there?


Some of the events reported last night have made me absolutely sick to the stomach. What the hell kind of person bashes an older woman in the face with a baseball bat then tells a young girl they will be raped?

I am glad I don't live in Sydney right now.

 

[chugs]

I'm glad to see the fuckhead that pulled the Australian flag down from Brighton Le Sands last night pissed on it, soaked it with lighter fluid and then paraded it around while it was on fire. but he forgot to think about one thing - his clothes were highly flammable and he caught on fire in the process and badly burnt himself.

when you hit a woman in the face with a baseball bat and say "this is our country now too" you deserve to be placed on a boat and sent far far away.

Like I predicted - we're becoming engulfed in a ever increasing circle of violence. Yes the people committing these stupid crimes are wrong and shouldn't be doing it but they have a clear motive. If the shoe was on the other foot you people would be doing the same and more importantly I would be attacking the protangists that inflamed you to committ such stupid acts.

Yet have you been vilified all your life?, been teased and attack because of the colour of your skin, refused jobs and watched suspiciously because people think you’re a rapist?

Some idiot is going to burn down a mosque soon, and then a idiot on the other side is going to burn down a church and then the shit is going to hit the fan as a huge portion of the population brought into this mess.

Cars will be burned and people are going to die now - actually have a look at this pic - this was taken today.

The city is burning and all you care about is getting some respect or that a flag has urine on it. God get a fucking grip, the flag is meaningless.

Just stop this now, turn the other check