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Bluelighter
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DAMN STRAIGHT. its so sad.
BTW this just made front page of BBC News. This is really going to be good for our image:
"Thousands of young white men attacked people of Arabic and Mediterranean background on Cronulla Beach on Sunday."
"Thousands of young white men attacked people of Arabic and Mediterranean background on Cronulla Beach on Sunday."
onetwothreefour
Bluelight Crew
a really good run down from *inside* the events from crikey...
By long-time Cronulla resident Benjamin Amy:
I've just returned home after spending six hours watching the disgusting afternoon unfold at Cronulla beach. I'm sending this to anyone that'll read it.
I'd seen media reports in the lead up to today's "showdown," and never believed it was actually going to happen. In particular I noticed on page three of Saturday's Herald "A lesson in beach etiquette, Shire-style" which featured a guy named Shaun – pictured with his Aussie flag singlet, tattoos all over him and holding a long-neck of beer in a paper bag.
Shaun dislikes visitors he says are rude. "They look down on our women," he says. I'd never seen anyone like that at Cronulla beach and thought the paper had exaggerated the facts about how locals felt and what they were planning to do. I was wrong. Cronulla today was filled with loud, pis*ed, Shaun doppelgangers, all of them looking for a fight.
When I arrived at Cronulla at about midday the crowd was fairly calm, rowdy and yobbo-ish, though not violent. The drinking had already started, there were BBQs being cooked in the back of utes, John Williamson music was blaring from car stereos and the "Wall" at North Cronulla was a sea of Australian flags, Eureka Stockade flags and boxing kangaroos. Political correctness had already been thrown aside, with some of the guys there screaming "f*ck off Lebs" (there wasn't a 'Leb' to be seen) and "reclaim the shire," and with comments like "we grew here, you flew here" and "Save Nulla, F*ck Allah" painted on their chests.
What was most unbelievable, even more so than the overt racism, was the number of people there... There were thousands and thousands of people. It was like the harbour foreshore on New Year's Eve or Australia Day. Roads had been closed and the empty space created was filled thick with people. It wasn't just twenty-something males there, there were groups of girls and women, packs of teenagers, entire families (I just cannot understand anyone taking their kids to participate in something like this), bikies, neo-nazis and surfers.
I saw a group of three well-dressed 40-ish women drinking Breezers standing atop a retaining wall chanting at the police. I saw a group of four teenage girls (typical tanned 'Northies' Shire-girls – long hair, short skirts and massive sunglasses) being interviewed by ABC radio with 'Multiculturalism Doesn't Work' stickers on their backs. I saw a fifty-year-old man wearing an 'Osama Don't Surf' t-shirt. I've never seen that many people in Cronulla before.
About ten minutes after I got there I called a mate of mine to come down and see what was actually happening before me – I seemed to be the only person who was horrified about what was occurring. While I was on the phone I saw a young Middle Eastern Australian kid walk through the carpark, about ten metres away from me. I'd seen this kid on the news earlier this week defending his right to swim at his local beach.
It wasn't long before he was being screamed at ("Leb c*nt", "Get off our beach" etc) and surrounded by a group of flag draped p*ssed idiots. The kid screamed back, fairly insistent on getting to the beach, for all of about ten seconds before he was hit by one of them and had to turn and run across the park toward Northies.
The crowd of people up the slope to the Wall had noticed what was happening and all of a sudden it was on. The mob chased this kid into Northies, straight through the traffic which was brought to a sudden standstill with the now thousands of people surrounding the entry to Northies. Imagine a group of thousands of people, and I really do mean thousands of people, all chasing one kid into a pub and then standing outside screaming the most hateful and violent trash talk, throwing bottles, jumping on cars containing children that were stuck in the crowd.
The kid they were after was about 17 and would weigh in at a huge 60kg. I could not believe my eyes that a lynching like this could happen anywhere, let alone Cronulla beach.
This was a group of people that were thinking and moving as one, a true "mob." Reason disappeared and the violently racist slurs and the bizarre form of patriotism got worse. Waltzing Matilda was being screamed like a war cry into the faces of police and Northies security guards. The crowd was still on the street, stretching across the the Wall, but would move up the Kingsway or down Eleoura Rd a bit if they thought there was a Leb to get.
We saw a group of three "wogs," two girls and a guy, all early twenties, walking along the lower walkway of the Wall. The fact they'd managed to get that far surprised me, but they didn't catch the attention of the mob until they got very near the end of the Wall, about 20 metres from where the path met the crowd. The abuse started, and then the crowd started to move toward them. Thankfully there were a group of police close by who were able to get them out safely, but it didn't stop the crowd following them out, screaming in an absolute frenzy.
This was a crowd where almost every member was involved – there were hardly any onlookers like my mates and myself, everyone was into it. I watched the ABC news tonight and the reporter was asked whether locals were approving of what had happened – he said the ones that were there were, though local talkback callers through the day were appalled, he said.
It wasn't too long before a rumour started spreading that a train full of Lebs was on its way to Cronulla (it was like an insane game of Chinese Whispers, there were stories going through the crowd that Tom Ugly's and Captain Cook Bridge had been closed, that the Bra Boys had arrived and that the kiosk at North Cronulla was under siege because it was owned by Wogs), so everyone was off to the station, via Cronulla Mall.
I can only imagine what it would have been like as a bystander in the Mall with these idiots running through. By the time we got there, teenagers were on the ground with pepper spray in their eyes, there were Nazis up trees unfurling flags, more bottles being smashed and not a train full of Lebs to be seen. Riot cops ended up pushing them all back until they were forced to return to North Cronulla.
The irony of the situation didn't seem to be sinking into anyone's head either. This all started last weekend when two lifeguards were bashed by a Lebanese group of guys who apparently are aggressive, rude and disrespect our women. Talkback radio has been filled all week with locals calling in and saying so. I agreed with a lot of it, I'd seen these guys before and I'd been intimidated by them. But what I saw today was far scarier than the Leb guys could ever be. Behaviour far more more aggressive than any ethnic I've ever seen. Rudeness?
Apparently Nando's had to be closed by police because two ethnic guys were eating their lunch at a table inside when part of the mob arrived to scream at them for doing so. Over the road at Macca's there were drunk guys on the corner screaming the foulest of language down the mall. These are guys and girls preventing ambulances from leaving.
This is a group of people happy to smash glass bottles in their own beach sand! I saw a group of guys trying to get their footy out of one of the Norfolk Pines by throwing beer bottles at it. As for "respecting our women"... where's the respect in surrounding a teenage girl (Anglo and alone) and harassing her from one end of the Wall to the other?
And I just got this off the Herald's coverage: "He could not comment on a report that a girl of Middle Eastern appearance had been pushed over and was kicked repeatedly as she lay on the ground." What the hell?!? The behaviour today by the locals involved and all those with them was far worse than any previous incident at Cronulla caused by a so-called ethnic outsider visiting the area.
There were clearly a lot of non-locals involved. I think that once the text message story got into the media it became a city-wide talking point and made the numbers present today worse, attracting people who were either just racist or just wanted a brawl. The sight of surfers and Romper-Stomper-like neo-Nazis running together towards the next hopeful brawl is not one I'll quickly forget.
But many locals were involved, and for the most part loving every minute of it. There were plenty of units and apartments decked out in Aussie flags with parties overflowing into the streets, proud to be a part of what was just a disgusting day. How so many people could be getting pleasure from this was just impossible to comprehend. It was part machismo bullsh*t and part mob-mentality but it was mainly just ugly racism. It no longer had anything at all to do with two lifeguards getting beaten up last weekend, it was all just hatred towards a group of people who weren't even there.
The sight of the Australian flag being over-used like it was today was embarrassing. Watching that crowd of thousands chase a single 17-year-old was sickening. And to watch watch so many people think that what they were doing was a good idea was just staggering.
It was the most shameful thing I've ever seen, no matter what happens next.
I've just returned home after spending six hours watching the disgusting afternoon unfold at Cronulla beach. I'm sending this to anyone that'll read it.
I'd seen media reports in the lead up to today's "showdown," and never believed it was actually going to happen. In particular I noticed on page three of Saturday's Herald "A lesson in beach etiquette, Shire-style" which featured a guy named Shaun – pictured with his Aussie flag singlet, tattoos all over him and holding a long-neck of beer in a paper bag.
Shaun dislikes visitors he says are rude. "They look down on our women," he says. I'd never seen anyone like that at Cronulla beach and thought the paper had exaggerated the facts about how locals felt and what they were planning to do. I was wrong. Cronulla today was filled with loud, pis*ed, Shaun doppelgangers, all of them looking for a fight.
When I arrived at Cronulla at about midday the crowd was fairly calm, rowdy and yobbo-ish, though not violent. The drinking had already started, there were BBQs being cooked in the back of utes, John Williamson music was blaring from car stereos and the "Wall" at North Cronulla was a sea of Australian flags, Eureka Stockade flags and boxing kangaroos. Political correctness had already been thrown aside, with some of the guys there screaming "f*ck off Lebs" (there wasn't a 'Leb' to be seen) and "reclaim the shire," and with comments like "we grew here, you flew here" and "Save Nulla, F*ck Allah" painted on their chests.
What was most unbelievable, even more so than the overt racism, was the number of people there... There were thousands and thousands of people. It was like the harbour foreshore on New Year's Eve or Australia Day. Roads had been closed and the empty space created was filled thick with people. It wasn't just twenty-something males there, there were groups of girls and women, packs of teenagers, entire families (I just cannot understand anyone taking their kids to participate in something like this), bikies, neo-nazis and surfers.
I saw a group of three well-dressed 40-ish women drinking Breezers standing atop a retaining wall chanting at the police. I saw a group of four teenage girls (typical tanned 'Northies' Shire-girls – long hair, short skirts and massive sunglasses) being interviewed by ABC radio with 'Multiculturalism Doesn't Work' stickers on their backs. I saw a fifty-year-old man wearing an 'Osama Don't Surf' t-shirt. I've never seen that many people in Cronulla before.
About ten minutes after I got there I called a mate of mine to come down and see what was actually happening before me – I seemed to be the only person who was horrified about what was occurring. While I was on the phone I saw a young Middle Eastern Australian kid walk through the carpark, about ten metres away from me. I'd seen this kid on the news earlier this week defending his right to swim at his local beach.
It wasn't long before he was being screamed at ("Leb c*nt", "Get off our beach" etc) and surrounded by a group of flag draped p*ssed idiots. The kid screamed back, fairly insistent on getting to the beach, for all of about ten seconds before he was hit by one of them and had to turn and run across the park toward Northies.
The crowd of people up the slope to the Wall had noticed what was happening and all of a sudden it was on. The mob chased this kid into Northies, straight through the traffic which was brought to a sudden standstill with the now thousands of people surrounding the entry to Northies. Imagine a group of thousands of people, and I really do mean thousands of people, all chasing one kid into a pub and then standing outside screaming the most hateful and violent trash talk, throwing bottles, jumping on cars containing children that were stuck in the crowd.
The kid they were after was about 17 and would weigh in at a huge 60kg. I could not believe my eyes that a lynching like this could happen anywhere, let alone Cronulla beach.
This was a group of people that were thinking and moving as one, a true "mob." Reason disappeared and the violently racist slurs and the bizarre form of patriotism got worse. Waltzing Matilda was being screamed like a war cry into the faces of police and Northies security guards. The crowd was still on the street, stretching across the the Wall, but would move up the Kingsway or down Eleoura Rd a bit if they thought there was a Leb to get.
We saw a group of three "wogs," two girls and a guy, all early twenties, walking along the lower walkway of the Wall. The fact they'd managed to get that far surprised me, but they didn't catch the attention of the mob until they got very near the end of the Wall, about 20 metres from where the path met the crowd. The abuse started, and then the crowd started to move toward them. Thankfully there were a group of police close by who were able to get them out safely, but it didn't stop the crowd following them out, screaming in an absolute frenzy.
This was a crowd where almost every member was involved – there were hardly any onlookers like my mates and myself, everyone was into it. I watched the ABC news tonight and the reporter was asked whether locals were approving of what had happened – he said the ones that were there were, though local talkback callers through the day were appalled, he said.
It wasn't too long before a rumour started spreading that a train full of Lebs was on its way to Cronulla (it was like an insane game of Chinese Whispers, there were stories going through the crowd that Tom Ugly's and Captain Cook Bridge had been closed, that the Bra Boys had arrived and that the kiosk at North Cronulla was under siege because it was owned by Wogs), so everyone was off to the station, via Cronulla Mall.
I can only imagine what it would have been like as a bystander in the Mall with these idiots running through. By the time we got there, teenagers were on the ground with pepper spray in their eyes, there were Nazis up trees unfurling flags, more bottles being smashed and not a train full of Lebs to be seen. Riot cops ended up pushing them all back until they were forced to return to North Cronulla.
The irony of the situation didn't seem to be sinking into anyone's head either. This all started last weekend when two lifeguards were bashed by a Lebanese group of guys who apparently are aggressive, rude and disrespect our women. Talkback radio has been filled all week with locals calling in and saying so. I agreed with a lot of it, I'd seen these guys before and I'd been intimidated by them. But what I saw today was far scarier than the Leb guys could ever be. Behaviour far more more aggressive than any ethnic I've ever seen. Rudeness?
Apparently Nando's had to be closed by police because two ethnic guys were eating their lunch at a table inside when part of the mob arrived to scream at them for doing so. Over the road at Macca's there were drunk guys on the corner screaming the foulest of language down the mall. These are guys and girls preventing ambulances from leaving.
This is a group of people happy to smash glass bottles in their own beach sand! I saw a group of guys trying to get their footy out of one of the Norfolk Pines by throwing beer bottles at it. As for "respecting our women"... where's the respect in surrounding a teenage girl (Anglo and alone) and harassing her from one end of the Wall to the other?
And I just got this off the Herald's coverage: "He could not comment on a report that a girl of Middle Eastern appearance had been pushed over and was kicked repeatedly as she lay on the ground." What the hell?!? The behaviour today by the locals involved and all those with them was far worse than any previous incident at Cronulla caused by a so-called ethnic outsider visiting the area.
There were clearly a lot of non-locals involved. I think that once the text message story got into the media it became a city-wide talking point and made the numbers present today worse, attracting people who were either just racist or just wanted a brawl. The sight of surfers and Romper-Stomper-like neo-Nazis running together towards the next hopeful brawl is not one I'll quickly forget.
But many locals were involved, and for the most part loving every minute of it. There were plenty of units and apartments decked out in Aussie flags with parties overflowing into the streets, proud to be a part of what was just a disgusting day. How so many people could be getting pleasure from this was just impossible to comprehend. It was part machismo bullsh*t and part mob-mentality but it was mainly just ugly racism. It no longer had anything at all to do with two lifeguards getting beaten up last weekend, it was all just hatred towards a group of people who weren't even there.
The sight of the Australian flag being over-used like it was today was embarrassing. Watching that crowd of thousands chase a single 17-year-old was sickening. And to watch watch so many people think that what they were doing was a good idea was just staggering.
It was the most shameful thing I've ever seen, no matter what happens next.
drEaMtiMe*@#
Bluelighter
fast forward fifty or so years and you'll realise that muslims today are what the jews once were during WWII. propaganda is a powerful thing, and there is no way in hell that this all would have escalated to the degree that it has amongst the masses if it weren't for what has been going on in the world ever since 9/11 and this on going so called "war on terror".
it's funny because i was actually having a conversation the other day with a friend of mine who's from overseas and staying with me at the moment. it was last tuesday or wednesday i think that we were talking, and she said to me that from what she's seen so far australian people don't come across as being very racist to her at all - which i think is something that kind of surprised her given that she's here to make a movie that partially deals with the controversial issue of white australia and their treatment of aborigines and foreigners. so i started by telling her that racism in australia these days is different to how it once was for it's much more subtle but nonetheless still there. and elaborated further by saying how this is a country whose people had the option of becoming an independent nation given to them but decided not to take it up. how this is a country who's prime minister, the one they elected thus who is apparently representative of a large proportion of his citizens, chose not to publicly say 'sorry' to the aborigines at the 2000 sydney olympics for all the pain and suffering that the governemnt and people of this country had caused them not only in the past but continue to cause them to this day. not to mention the australian governments continual treatment, or rather, mistreatment of refugees.
...and then... today... this pops up on the news.
fucking sad australia. thanks for making me right. 8)
it's funny because i was actually having a conversation the other day with a friend of mine who's from overseas and staying with me at the moment. it was last tuesday or wednesday i think that we were talking, and she said to me that from what she's seen so far australian people don't come across as being very racist to her at all - which i think is something that kind of surprised her given that she's here to make a movie that partially deals with the controversial issue of white australia and their treatment of aborigines and foreigners. so i started by telling her that racism in australia these days is different to how it once was for it's much more subtle but nonetheless still there. and elaborated further by saying how this is a country whose people had the option of becoming an independent nation given to them but decided not to take it up. how this is a country who's prime minister, the one they elected thus who is apparently representative of a large proportion of his citizens, chose not to publicly say 'sorry' to the aborigines at the 2000 sydney olympics for all the pain and suffering that the governemnt and people of this country had caused them not only in the past but continue to cause them to this day. not to mention the australian governments continual treatment, or rather, mistreatment of refugees.
...and then... today... this pops up on the news.
fucking sad australia. thanks for making me right. 8)
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lostpunk5545
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0ff1cer_ch0ps said:
For fuck's sake, they?
Like it was the entire Lebanese population of Sydney that stole your car, broke into your girl's, and gang raped girls.
*edit* no personal attacks
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lostpunk5545
Bluelighter
Arguing in this thread seems to me to be equated to smashing one's head into a brick wall. It's neither fun, painless, or achieving anything, so I'm staying out of it.
Maybe you guys should contact Pauline Hanson, if she knew she had so many supporters still around she might end her illustrious dancing career and go back to politics. I can almost hear the goose steps marching outside parliament house now.
Have fun children.
Maybe you guys should contact Pauline Hanson, if she knew she had so many supporters still around she might end her illustrious dancing career and go back to politics. I can almost hear the goose steps marching outside parliament house now.
Have fun children.
lostpunk5545
Bluelighter
0ff1cer_ch0ps said:
If you listen carefully kids you can hear the justification call of the great Aussie racist, a species once thought to be extinct, but as we can all see, clearly alive and thriving.
Dark Ambience
Bluelighter
I don't consider myself racist or right, however I can see the mentality behind this event. Yes, the crowds were full of bogans and goons scoping for violence. But upon watching a current affair last night where some middle aged, upper class people who were placcid about the whole situation, yet still held the same group mentality that their rights as Australians were being breached by the so called 'middle-eastern population' led me to and reinforced my already established opinions.
I am not going to single out any race, but it is my belief that if you wish to be part of Australian society as a sub culture then you should adapt and conform to the Australian culture. It seems far too common that subcultures, to put it in layman's terms, infiltrate suburbs and basically override the existing Australian culture within those areas. I think that a multicultural society is great if we do live together, but to say that the Australian culture isn't being damaged is far from correct. I'm sure we all like to experience what different cultures have to offer, but if I wanted to go to Lebanon, I would, not Parramatta.
I say yes to multiculturalism and sure, some change is good, but it does not seem that some of these subcultures wish to adopt Australian values or fit into our society. Change is good, but sometimes enough is enough and can be detrimental to society as a whole.
This is not just an issue down in Sydney, but even up here in Queensland. It was just last week when I was in Surfers Paradise during schoolies week when a large group of Lebanese people walked through shouting "Aussies suck". I'm sure we all can see the irony in that.
Anway, those are my opinions. Feel free to question them.
I am not going to single out any race, but it is my belief that if you wish to be part of Australian society as a sub culture then you should adapt and conform to the Australian culture. It seems far too common that subcultures, to put it in layman's terms, infiltrate suburbs and basically override the existing Australian culture within those areas. I think that a multicultural society is great if we do live together, but to say that the Australian culture isn't being damaged is far from correct. I'm sure we all like to experience what different cultures have to offer, but if I wanted to go to Lebanon, I would, not Parramatta.
I say yes to multiculturalism and sure, some change is good, but it does not seem that some of these subcultures wish to adopt Australian values or fit into our society. Change is good, but sometimes enough is enough and can be detrimental to society as a whole.
This is not just an issue down in Sydney, but even up here in Queensland. It was just last week when I was in Surfers Paradise during schoolies week when a large group of Lebanese people walked through shouting "Aussies suck". I'm sure we all can see the irony in that.
Anway, those are my opinions. Feel free to question them.
Beatlebot
Bluelight Crew
Perhaps it is the 'Australian culture' that refuses to adopt these subcultures and prevents them from fitting into our society?
Which 'Australian values' do you want them to adopt?
Zero the hero
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First, you're sooo offended that he uses the word "they"
Then, 1 line after this "out rage", do something similar by using the word “your” in the context of separating this poster from others by race…
(All without even knowing where the poster’s ancestors are from in the first place, I'm sure).
Then you go on end your post (and ANY credibility you might have had, which wasn't much, if any, in the first place) with a racial slur directed at another poster, by referring to this poster as…
Yeah, I'm pretty sure we're about to hear it again, you know, when YOU try and explain away your above mentioned racist comments...
lostpunk5545 said:
Then, 1 line after this "out rage", do something similar by using the word “your” in the context of separating this poster from others by race…
lostpunk5545 said:
(All without even knowing where the poster’s ancestors are from in the first place, I'm sure).
Then you go on end your post (and ANY credibility you might have had, which wasn't much, if any, in the first place) with a racial slur directed at another poster, by referring to this poster as…
lostpunk5545 said:
lostpunk5545 said:
Yeah, I'm pretty sure we're about to hear it again, you know, when YOU try and explain away your above mentioned racist comments...
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Hohum i wish some of youse on this were surfers and actually new what is going on, at maroubra,cronulla, burleigh, cactus it doesn't matter what colour you are it is all about RESPECT for a community , when i go to my cousins in liverpool i don't take a group of mates and start telling girls they look hot in there burkas, *edit *not necessary
same as anyone who as ever gone overseas you show respect.. I hate how everytime it is put into racial villification, yes there were people yelling racial slurs but no different from being called a fucken red neck skippy...
same as anyone who as ever gone overseas you show respect.. I hate how everytime it is put into racial villification, yes there were people yelling racial slurs but no different from being called a fucken red neck skippy...
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chugs
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fuzzydog said:
You might not but thousands of white yobbos do exactly that - they go around and indiscriminently abusing women (be it there own girlfriends or strangers).
90 of sex crimes are committed by white males. Hows that for a statistic.
What about those three white guys that brutally ganged rape a teenage girl in that Newton housing development (near the olympic park). They hurt that poor asian girl so badly that she can't have children.
Did you see indiscriminate violence by asian's against white people? How many times do you see asian's getting abused on the road by white spastics, every day i see it. how many times do you see people ranting about asians etc etc. All the time. Do you see them striking back, reclaiming their terrority?
Holy shit how many times does this have to be articlated. You aren't the champion of a Australia, you have no legal, ethical or moral right to shit on other humans (irrespective of their crime). That's why we have police because if it was left up to morons like you we would either be dead or swiming in a sea of blood.
If you see some lebs making dick heads of themselve call the police on your mobile, lodge a complaint, record the number plate -
This is Karma for every bad thing you've ever done
lostpunk5545
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Zero the hero said:
I'm white. It's called satire. You'll find it in the dictionary right after satin.
Zero the hero
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chugs said:
What are you talking about? That makes NO sense as a response to what I posted...
chugs said:
Yes, and I've been harassed by sooo many, Asians, and sooo many "Arabs", and sooo many South Americans, and sooo many Blacks...8)
chugs said:
What does that even mean?
Your no different. You swear the same, you diss women the same way (and i hear you wankers at parties, talking about cunts & pussy like your it's some sort of football match), dissing women, starting brawls, destroying public property.
Really? I'm no different? Do I do all those things? Really? Do we know each other? You obviously don't know me at all, do you shit for brains, or is the "you" in reference to my race in general? That begs another question, when you go on to say " you wankers"? That's in reference to me being separate from you because of my assumed racial background then? Can you hear that? I think that's the sound of your credibility being flushed down the toilet.
By the way, I love this little bit of racism as well...
chugs said:
Yeah, nothing like a little racism when attempting to explain that racism is wrong (snicker)...8)
chugs said:
Yeah, he'd come in QUITE handy at the moment...
Zero the hero
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lostpunk5545 said:
lostpunk5545 said:
You don't really know what the word "satire" means do you son, perhaps it's you who should "look it up"?
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Raving Loony
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Raving Loony said:
Zero the hero said:
Well I wasn't referring to anyone particular, so if I've offended you I'm sorry.
I'm just saying that on one hand you have an unlawful/unruly mob overturning cars and attacking coloured people who have no connection to the events surrounding the brutal attack on the lifeguards. Whilst on the other hand you have an unlawful invasion to dispose of a murderous dictator who is directly responsible for the loss of more than a million of his countrymen.
I just find it difficult that someone can take that slant, that's all.
chugs
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Zero the hero said:
holy shit what a stupid post.
attacking the poster regarding pose? What sort of argument is that. Are we going to get down to lingiustic semantics?
Instead of attacking our posts with bullshit why don't you justify why violence against another human being should be allowed without using the word:
"respect", "dissing our women", "revenge for those lifesavers".
*edit* no personal attacks
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lostpunk5545
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Zero the hero said:
Yes I do. I'm not really interested in playing the semantics game but while you're educating yourself look up irony as well.