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you seem to say 'thats enough for me' each time you're stuck on something to argue about, CutHere.


and keej, can you not see it's not just about the lifeguards? it's about 10 years of abuse and suffering at the hands of these ethnic gangs?

the violence against innocent people was wrong, but I think if the police aren't doing a damn thing to help the local citizens then violence against the gangs is probably the only deterant for the time being.
 
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keystroke..........ergh geez
do you always have to dig yourself a deeper hole dude?
 
keej said:
You're complaining about ethnics in THE SHIRE? It's as white as it gets in Sydney.

For fucks sake, try living out west you sook. You don't know shit about ethnic gangs.
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I know enough about ethnic gangs to hate them for. as with all gangs, they're all fucked.
 
Come on - these people aren't targeting the offenders of the initial crimes. They are targeting anyone who is unlucky enough to fit into a specific race - be it Lebanese or Muslim or whatever.

It's sick. It's depraved. And you're as sick and depraved as they are keystroke. You're legitimising what they've done under the guise it's justice. It's not, it's vigilante revenge and against the wrong people! If you think that's protecting the freedom of so-called "Australians", think again.

The police will handle the situation. I suppose you think any form of rioting is right as it is caused by a form of injustice - something bred into society. You can try and justify it all you like but at the end of the day this was just a drunken mob seizing an opportunity to go out and victimise a minority. To me, that's not the Australian way.
 
0ff1cer_ch0ps said:
Why do i hate them...

Being rolled, my car getting broken into, my girlfriends car being broken into, my mothers bag being snatched while shopping...

They fuckin raped a poor innocent AUSSIE female... fuckin GANG rape.... they are the reason there are now gangs fighting back...

How would they liked it, if i got a few of the boys and got their sister and fucked her in every fuckin orrivice...

PAYBACKS A FUCKIN BITCH!
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fuken WORD!
 
its funny coz they call it the shire

It's like the last chapter in the lord of the rings that was left out of the movie.
The burning of the shire.
If thats anything to go by, I know whos won this battle:)
 
For a moment can we put aside two parts of the equation:

1. - that the lifesavers got bashed. It would be terrible no matter what nationality did the bashing.

2. - that the white/australian/anglo-saxon community turned into a mindless mob. A mob is condisdered brutal no matter what the nationality or reasons.


Can anybody deny that as a general rule there is a problems with Lebanese men 15 years -> 25 + within australia? Can anyone deny that is well know that as a female of ANY nationality or as a male of ANY nationality that you feel scared and intimated by the actions of lebanese males in general.

Is the media blowing up the actions of a certain minority of the lebanese community and making the whole community think things which are not true? I dont think so from personal experience, which seems to be the case with a number of people.

So.... once again, forget the mob incident and the lifesaver incident, what are we going to do about lebs being dickheads in general?

Our laws are based on the fact that the general community need a governing power to guide them to have peaceful and community based lives. I really think that we need to address the problem as the Lebanese here. Unlike other countries i cannot see any socio-economic reason for the Lebanese acting in such terrible ways. Its not like they have been a struggling part of the community dogged by social injustices.

And im talking about the Lebanese that are being violient. Im not talking about the muslim community or the arabic community, im talking about the Lebs.
 
-T{H}R- said:
Come on - these people aren't targeting the offenders of the initial crimes. They are targeting anyone who is unlucky enough to fit into a specific race - be it Lebanese or Muslim or whatever.

It's sick. It's depraved. And you're as sick and depraved as they are keystroke. You're legitimising what they've done under the guise it's justice. It's not, it's vigilante revenge and against the:-

WRONG PEOPLE!

If you think that's protecting the freedom of so-called "Australians", think again.
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Exactly ;) .

Attacking innocent people on both sides is WRONG!
 
The issue I see it is one of cultural clashes.

I will assert with no research and no information that there is a strong community feeling about this. I don't live in the shire and I challenge anyone who doesn't (probably 99.0% of people in this thread) live in the shire to accurately be able to have a position on the situation without first hand knowledge.

It is funny to see whitey stand up and call the other whitey's racists for hating on another culture. Do you not think that other cultures hate white australians with as much vigor as those you call racists hate back?

I do not like strong, mob mentality culture - I have experenced the kind of culture that keystroke, officer_chops et al have been trying to communicate = one that does not come with the intention of standing on a level playing field, one that assumes superiority and seeks to enforce it through physical means. I have no love for such a culture. It is not all members of a race that have such a culture.

But this is not ALL the culture, just as someone of all the RACE does not have the same beliefs.

There is an issue of monoculture - I do not think this is the answer either.

I do not support mob violence, nor do I support bashing people based on their race.

If you want to bash someone based on their culture, then that is your choice and I respect that - humans have been killing each other for a wide variety of reasons for years and years - don't think this spot of violence is anything new.

Boy does it sadden me though to see mobs, I thought men fought one on one, and there was still an element of chivalry to it - the besting of another through physical force.

and stop believing anything you read in the papers, "Nationalism, Violence, Racism, Mobs" are some of the strongst news values ever, so don't think the media isn't bashing this one as far as it can.

Ps: just another good reason to live in canberra - you may get bored to death but there are no mobs, just gangs...

we're all equal in death, can't we all just be equal in life?

can't we all just l
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ve one and other?

the real enemy here is MOB CULTURE - Regardless of race, asian, caucasion, arab or whatever....

preacha said:
i think this thread sums up one point that has been widespread for years...

"the only people who can be classified as racists are middle-class white men"

whites who get stomped by an 'ethnic' crew = mini paragraph in crime stoppers
people of 'ethnic' origin who get stomped by an aussie crew = hate crime and front page news

i use the term ethnic loosely, since in the end, we're all australian despite many of our attempts to try and distinguish ourselves from the typical 'white' norm. however, is this the work of a 'multicultural' society? i'm afraid not.

* if i'm catching a late night train home, do you think i'm looking over my shoulder for a gang of white people? nope.
* seeing someone being beat up at the bus station by a group of whites? nope.

mass generalisation? call it that if you wish. and as expected i'll pull the race card where i 'have friends of alllllll cultures' (i'm the only anglo-saxon person in my department at work and was the only anglo-saxon person at my tafe, i never had ANY issues whatsoever).

when is the last time you have ever walked through a 'white' neighbourhood? you DON'T, they don't EXIST. because the majority of us are able to assimilate into society and live amongst our neighbours. now.........when is the last time you've ever gone to dandenong, cabramatta, springvale, footscray, redfern, need i continue?

multiculturalism does not exist, and for once, it's not OUR fault.

unfortunately, what i see here is a lot of people simply berating the 'mob' without looking at the underlying problem which has driven them to this point in the first place. in no way am i justifying the actions of the mob that decided to vent their aggression on those who have not wronged them. however, a situation like this does not happen over night.

welcome to the boiling pot that the left wingers created; penance for our eternal guilt for being born white.

have fun kids.
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Agree with some points above - there will never be true multiculturalism.....
 
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I love how most people on this site talk with contempt of mainstream media...

...unless it reports something they agree with.


I don't live in Sydney and I don't know the reality of the situation personally. I just believe a decade long pathetically weak police presence has made a clash like this inevitable for some time.

It is horrible that innocent people got caught in the crossfire, but like it has been said earlier in this thread - you push someone enough and eventually they will push back.

I think the Police Commissioner should be the one hanging his head in shame - what clearer way to show that you are doing an utterly shite job than when the same citizens you swore an oath to protect are so digruntled and jaded they take matters into their own hands?

It seems easy to target and paint everyone who was there as a racist and bigot - when the reality is the majority there were probably just angry and frustrated.

As much as I wish it did - multiculturalism just doesn't seem to work. Some cultures seem to be like oil and water.
 
Police seize iron bars at Sydney beach
Monday, December 12, 2005. 9:07pm (AEDT) ABC News

Police have confiscated iron bars from a group of people who have gathered in a park near Maroubra Beach in Sydney's east.

Road closures, police air wing patrols and mounted officers are expected in a number of Sydney suburbs after yesterday's race riot.

Police say a total of 16 people have been arrested on 41 charges arising from yesterday's violence in the Sydney beach-side suburb of Cronulla.

Dozens of additional police have been called to Maroubra to patrol the area.

They have confiscated about 30 iron bars from a group, which then congregated outside a pub and shops opposite the surf life saving club.

The group had been growing in number throughout the afternoon.

Earlier a media cameraman was confronted by the group as he was filming and the group threatened to burn his car.

There was a violent disturbance at Maroubra last night and dozens of cars and windows were smashed.

Meanwhile, about 200 young people have blocked roads near the Lakemba Mosque in Sydney's south-west.

Police say demonstrators have occupied an area near the corner of Punchbowl Road and Wangi Road after leaving the mosque this evening.

The New South Wales Government has said white supremacists were involved in yesterday's violence.

Police Minister Carl Scully says Police Commissioner Ken Moroney has assured him that police have sufficient powers and resources to deal with any further outbreaks of violence.

Commissioner Moroney says curfews and a total ban on alcohol will be considered if necessary.

A police task force has been set up to identify people who took part in the riots.

There are reports that text messages are being sent out already calling on similar action to take place next Sunday.

In other developments:

* New South Wales Premier Morris Iemma says violence over the weekend in Sydney's south was the ugly face of racism, with the State Government confirming that so-called "white supremacists" were involved in the riots. (Full Story)
* Prime Minister John Howard has condemned the outbreak of violence across several south-eastern Sydney suburbs. (Full Story)
* New South Wales Premier Morris Iemma has joined police in condemning yesterday's racist attacks on Sydney's Cronulla beach. (Full Story)
* Senior police say more people will be arrested as officers identify those involved in racially-motivated violence across several Sydney suburbs. (Full Story)

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...there goes our country...
 
They will push back but at who schnouzer?

You are not goign to tell me those people "retaliating" have done any research on the perpetrators of the crime now do you?

Why the fuck are people justifying this?

Most crimes here are commited by arabs and black too (biggest groups of immigrants) now noone would dare to justify this kind of crap over here in fact its punishable by law to be in support of these kind of activities and i for one am happy for it.

and it really saddens me to see so many people caught in the deception of racial bigotry / feelings here on bluelight last place i expected it and the australians the last people but i guess the western world has chosen it's new enemy for the 21st century and more and more people are going to influenced by that decision.

and keystroke and ch0ps i honestly don't even understand how you can be happy from whats happening , you are obviously filled with hate and apathic to vent it in other ways than hating on an ethnic group.
 
keystroke said:
you seem to say 'thats enough for me' each time you're stuck on something to argue about, CutHere.
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After about 3 hours of replying to this thread I decide I need a break and you turn it in to a personal attack against me. *clap* *clap*
 
BingeBoy said:
Why the fuck are people justifying this?
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It bemuses me too. How anyone can attempt to justify the victimisation and assault of innocent Australians, Police men and ambulance workers escapes me.
 
rac·ism
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.


Sunday was a black day for Australia.

Like others have mentioned I would have never expected to see this in Australia. That said I'm not entirely surprised either, racism has always been strong and well in some sectors of Australia and Cronulla is prime example of that.

Further more the governments (Federal & State) have been running a fear campaign for years now which only helps to brew racism further and instill fear into communities. People do not act rationally under a culture of fear. America is a good example of this.

The NSW State government and police have not done nearly enough regarding gangs, socially bad behaviour and cultural intolerance in the state. I am 110% against what happened on Sunday, I feel let down by my fellow Australian citizens but unfortunately this was a pressure cooker waiting to explode. Now the pollies are looking for someone to blame. They should be having a bloody hard look at themselves.

I understand the frustration of the local people involved regarding attacks on innocent people being out of control for too long. However the behaviour on Sunday was disgusting and inexcusable. I'm all for peaceful protest, but this protest should not be aimed towards a race of people but to the state government for not doing their job of enforcing law and order.

To justify attacks on innocent people because they look like a certain race is blatant racism. FULL STOP! NO ARGUEMENT!

Everybody else in the country seemed to know that there going to be people looking for trouble come Sunday at Cronulla beach. Why the hell didn't the authorities handle this better?

There is no point arguing with racists, their racism blinds them, all you do is help make there inferior egos feel bigger.

Finally how the hell is an ignorant uncompassionate racist bigot a moderator on a harm minimisation forum?
 
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