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Valium everyday....Why not?

kokaino said:
i wouldn't go that far. if temazepam can cause brain damage, then i'm confident other benzos can aswell. if not valium, then other strong hypnotics for sure. there cant be that big of difference (at least no between temazepam and other strong hypnotics like nitrazepam, triazolam, etc).
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This is guessing and in no way scientific fact. I have NEVER read anything about Valium or Xanax causing brain damage and they have been around for a long time

- Valium been on the market since 1963, Valium use peaked in 1978; selling 2.3 million tablets.
- Xanax been on the market since 1981, cant find any hard data but I believe xanax is at its peak NOW.
- Temazepam has been on the market since 1969, Temazepam use peaked in 1980; not sure the number of tablets sold.

I have read that temazepam is damaging to tissue but have not read anything to that effect about Valium or Xanax. Valium is the oldest and most widely used benzodiazapine used since the 60's and has shown no proof of brain damage in that time. The point here is that just because one drug in a class of drugs is neurotoxic does NOT mean another is. I'm sorry but your best guess and logic are flawed.
 
I am prescibed a dose of 30 mg Diazepam currently after using it for a few years and I never abused them in those years but the addiction potential is huge, and so are the withdrawals which are worse than Oxycodone or any other strong Opiate. TBH I consider those 'minor' compared to the hellish withdrawal symptoms (like all the anxiety you ever had times 100, which is one of the lighter symptoms really...)

Now I can take 100 mg of Diazepam and still engage in things like complex games, forums or have a conversation with someone. But when you add other things in the mix I have been found passed out in a chair or had memory problems like not knowing what you did the last 24 hours... sometimes I forget I am on Benzo's and take another dose only to wake up and find an empty prescription bottle (now I hide them when I take a high dose and write a small note with "took xx mg of Diazepam" so I don't forget and begin to add things like Alcohol or Opiates which is a dangerous combo).

Check out the The Ashton Manual for more info, it is probably the best Benzo site around.

Only take them when you need them, remember most people addicted to Benzos started out like you, so be careful with them and read the link I gave you, many would agree with me that it is a great resource if you need information about this class of drugs. :)

-- Peace o/
 
Have any of you guys had fun on valium (recreational) and if so how how much did u need? ANY euphoria?
 
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=386741

Go through the above thread I found by searching "valium recreational."
This way you can see alot of answers right away as opposed to waiting for people to respond.
Some people don't find benzo's euphoric. It is not like an opiate high which some people expect the first time (idk if you ever took any opiates, just saying)
Some compare a valium high as being similar to being drunk, but without sloppyness at high doses, and since they both work on the GABA nuerotransmitter it makes sense.
You may feel a little tired, but will just be less anxious, after all it is an anti-anxiety med.... So you might feel calm enough to talk to that girl/guy you normally wouldn't. Myself and others have labeled benzos as "pimp pills", or "swag pills" due to a high success rate of picking up girls at bars since you are so calm and chill when you talk to them.
As far as dosage, maybe 15-20mgs, check out the link, there was alot of discussion on dosage there.

And EEhouseEE, I am sure you notice me being a dick to you and that is why you shouldn't take valium everyday to answer your original question. Going through threads while going through benzo withdrawals, trying to help out people can get frustrating when you post alot of repetetive stuff. I was prescribed xanax (a benzo similar to valium, but with a shorter half-life) for over three years, and am now tapering off benzos using valium. You see how cranky I get, its from lowering my dose of valium and not being able to sleep well due to it, and having my muscles shaky. It's not fun. So don't take valium everyday.
 
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Tommyboy723 said:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=386741

Go through the above thread I found by searching "valium recreational."
This way you can see alot of answers right away as opposed to waiting for people to respond.
Some people don't find benzo's euphoric. It is not like an opiate high which some people expect the first time (idk if you ever took any opiates, just saying)
Some compare a valium high as being similar to being drunk, but without sloppyness at high doses, and since they both work on the GABA nuerotransmitter it makes sense.
You may feel a little tired, but will just be less anxious, after all it is an anti-anxiety med.... So you might feel calm enough to talk to that girl/guy you normally wouldn't. Myself and others have labeled benzos as "pimp pills", or "swag pills" due to a high success rate of picking up girls at bars since you are so calm and chill when you talk to them.
As far as dosage, maybe 15-20mgs, check out the link, there was alot of discussion on dosage there.

And EEhouseEE, I am sure you notice me being a dick to you and that is why you shouldn't take valium everyday to answer your original question. Going through threads while going through benzo withdrawals, trying to help out people can get frustrating when you post alot of repetetive stuff. I was prescribed xanax (a benzo similar to valium, but with a shorter half-life) for over three years, and am now tapering off benzos using valium. You see how cranky I get, its from lowering my dose of valium and not being able to sleep well due to it, and having my muscles shaky. It's not fun. So don't take valium everyday.
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thanks for the answer, and i understand what your saying in that last paragraph, i will not depend on them or get addicted i cant even imagine how hard the withdrawal is, thanks for the advice.
 
Diazepam is not the kinda of benzo you should be prescribed to take "as needed" though, it's half life is far too long! Say on Thursday evening I'm feeling really anxious, so I take a Diazepam, I'm not even at the half-life until early the next week. Assuming someone may need the drug 1-3 times a week, there is never less than 1/4 minimum of the initial dose is eliminated, though at 3x a week you may as well be taking it every, as you eventually will be. and your Diazepam levels will be maintained quite high. You might as well use Diazepam every day if that's the benzo you have, as it is most effective this way. Or don't use it at all, tell your doctor you don't want to be dependent on benzos but would prefer one to use as needed that doesn't stay in your system as long.
 
Moral Decay said:
This is guessing and in no way scientific fact. I have NEVER read anything about Valium or Xanax causing brain damage and they have been around for a long time

- Valium been on the market since 1963, Valium use peaked in 1978; selling 2.3 million tablets.
- Xanax been on the market since 1981, cant find any hard data but I believe xanax is at its peak NOW.
- Temazepam has been on the market since 1969, Temazepam use peaked in 1980; not sure the number of tablets sold.

I have read that temazepam is damaging to tissue but have not read anything to that effect about Valium or Xanax. Valium is the oldest and most widely used benzodiazapine used since the 60's and has shown no proof of brain damage in that time. The point here is that just because one drug in a class of drugs is neurotoxic does NOT mean another is. I'm sorry but your best guess and logic are flawed.
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my logic is not wrong. i havent seen studies suggesting that long term diazepam abuse was harmless to the brain.
what i'm saying is that if temazepam is neurotoxic, then there is a good chance that other benzos are aswell. they may not be as bad, but still neurotoxic nonetheless. plus, temazepam is a metabolite of diazepam (so i would say that diazepam would be one of those "other" benzos).

in addition, the study was done on HIGH DOSE temazepam abusers. temazepam abuse reached epidemic proportions across europe and australia back in the 80's and 90's, so there are studies done on people that were addicted to it.
I don't think such studies have ever been done on high dose diazepam abusers (or any other benzo abusers) because such high dose addicts are probably not very common with most other benzos.
 
EEhouseEE said:
So I've been reading a lot about Valium on this site and i see lots of people saying to not take em every day, but when my doctor prescribed them to me he told me to take 5mg in the morning and 5mg at night and repeat each day. So whats so bad about taking them everyday?
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Benzodiazepine addiction is no joke, and it is actually possible to die from withdrawal from what I've read.
The best advice I can give you, if you are dead set on taking benzos everyday(recreationally, of course) is to have a serious taper stash(ie several hundred pills) for when you need to quit.

Edit - Btw I didn't read this whole thread, so for all I know the OP may not be inetrested in daily recreational benzo use at all. However I still think this is good advice for those who are.
 
I would never take benzos daily. my anxiety is bad enough without having to worry about the years it would take me to get right again after coming off them.

I've taken my xanax twice a week over 2 years. I can still even take .25mg in the morning on empty stomach and feel it. Although dosage varies but i keep it as low as possible.
 
kokaino said:
my logic is not wrong. i havent seen studies suggesting that long term diazepam abuse was harmless to the brain.
what i'm saying is that if temazepam is neurotoxic, then there is a good chance that other benzos are aswell. they may not be as bad, but still neurotoxic nonetheless. plus, temazepam is a metabolite of diazepam (so i would say that diazepam would be one of those "other" benzos).

in addition, the study was done on HIGH DOSE temazepam abusers. temazepam abuse reached epidemic proportions across europe and australia back in the 80's and 90's, so there are studies done on people that were addicted to it.
I don't think such studies have ever been done on high dose diazepam abusers (or any other benzo abusers) because such high dose addicts are probably not very common with most other benzos.
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well just because temaz is neurotoxic at high doses and is a metabolite of Valium doesn't mean Valium is neurotoxic, It could be hat what makes temaz neurotoxic is its metabolites.. In fact Valium is used in high doses to help treat delusional schizophrenics. I do not think they would be treating people with 400mg a day of Valium if it were neurotoxic at high doses. Just because you can't find proof that something doesn't happen doesn't automatically mean it does.

High doses of Valium has been found to cause abnormalities in sperm, coma from extremely large doses and sometimes death due to overdose. I have not read anything indicating brain damage directly caused by Valium. It is possible to overdose and fall unconscious/stop breathing; lack of oxygen to the brain is known to cause brain damage. You can get brain damage from lack of oxygen without Valium(like putting a bag over your head) so I would not say this is caused by Valium but so far I've read nothing of neurotoxicity.

There were tests done on valium to determine if it caused cancerous growths and this was found that it does not cause cancerous growths.

Valium was shown to cause some mutations in blood cells in mice but the length of dosing and size of dose was not indicated.


there is a wealth of information on Valium >HERE< but nothing to indicate brain damage in users.
 
would it still be likely to grow tolerance to benzos if i follow a routine like this: 10mg one day, then 1 day break, then 10mg one day, then 1 day break...etc.
 
Yea, due to its long half-life it would be like taking .5 of xanax everyday. You will build a tolerance, and you will become physically dependent withen a month I would say. Meaning you will experience mild withdrawals from it after using for a month like that, and obviously you would become more dependent with time.

I would say that the only way to keep the tolerance down is to be a "weekend warrior" with the drug. Friday night, saturday night, then stop for the week.
 
Violenza666 said:
Yes, because Wikipedia is such a reliable source. I can go on there and change it to say you will shit out of your mouth and have urges to be the star of a donkey show.. but that doesn't make it true. Benzos alone do not cause brain damage....
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Wikipedia's very reliable, it's more accurate then many print encyclopedias, it's edited very frequently. So while you could do that, it'd be changed immidiatly and your ip would be banned from posting.
 
They do cause excitatory brain damage with chronic use and abrupt withdrawal. It simply means that you eventually deplete your brain of GABA, then you have seizures (which is a result of this.) Seizures are an excitatory event of the brain.

Your brain will fry itself because it won't be able to slow itself down.

This = Neural damage = Dead brain cells = Brain damage.
 
psychomimetic said:
Wikipedia's very reliable, it's more accurate then many print encyclopedias, it's edited very frequently. So while you could do that, it'd be changed immidiatly and your ip would be banned from posting.
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fuck wikipedia and encyclopedias. if you want information of this nature, medical journal articles are the one and only source.

and yea, Psych Jay knows what he is talking about here; by messing with gaba levels you are indirectly messing with the big boys like glutamate. causes brain damage in a manner similar to that experienced by people who temporarily lose the flow of O2 to their brain. glutamate is not properly regulated, neurons start firing like crazy, the excessive sodium levels in the neurons kill them.
 
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Psychedelic Jay said:
They do cause excitatory brain damage with chronic use and abrupt withdrawal. It simply means that you eventually deplete your brain of GABA, then you have seizures (which is a result of this.) Seizures are an excitatory event of the brain.

Your brain will fry itself because it won't be able to slow itself down.

This = Neural damage = Dead brain cells = Brain damage.
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ive been in valium wd, xanax wd and gbl/alcohol wd a few times each over the past 2 years, only 1-2 times has it been severe though, ive never felt the same mentally since then, could i have suffered some perma brain damage :S, or will it get better over time off gaba drugs?

thanks
 
All drugs will cause some degree of brain damage, but such a low dose requires months or years of daily use to really mess much with you. Honestly benzos are pretty soft drugs. Why not? Because it's a drug which impairs your mental abilities whether you're aware of it or not.
 
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