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Update on opiate journey..........

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I've been on many methadone clinics over the years.A few of them had "No Benzo" rules.Mostly because meth and benzo's together get you high.I don't understand why people are telling Jake that Kpin withdrawal is just in his head.Coming off Kpin or Xanax too fast can make a person seize and die.A few months on is enough for your body to expect to have it and make you a shaky wreck without them.

I was on a lot of clinics in New Jersey in the eighties and nineties,The top dose without state approval used to be 95mg.It only increased because some of the drugs used to treat AIDS made the methadone less effective.

Blocking dose for me was 65mg.The problem was I still did dope while on programs.I wasn't ready to stop.I'm on Suboxone now but then again I'm much older then Jake and am sick to death of chasing heroin.That took about 25 to 27 years of doing dope.

Addiction is a tricky,sneaky thing.By now I expected to be dead or clean.It might not be dope anymore but it is always something.Jake,I hope this doesn't take over your life for decades like it did to me.It is Fing tiring.
 
yea im 29 and tired.............hate to resort to methadone never thought i would but feel ive exhausted all other options. my clinic takes u up to 80 mg . im up to 70 already . yeah they dont allow benzos and ive been on k pin for 3-4 months 3 mg a day ..............i got down to 2.5 but of course to piss clean is gonna take awhile.........so i have to figure out how to stay on clinic...........they cant just throw u off cold turkey.........
 
Dude if your clinic allows benzos, your best bet is to just go to a doc and get any type of benzo prescribed and give a copy of the of hte script to your assigned counselor.

I was prescribed temazepam and while on methadone I used every benzo under the sun and tested fine. My clinic allowed you to be on benzos or whatever as long as you had a legit outside script..dunno if yours differs. But if you keep pissing negative, most likely since its not opiates they will just keep prolonging giving you takehomes.

Honestly I knew people at my program who pissed negative for like a year straight ON opiates and still didnt get discharged (even then they will do a 1mg/day detox)/refer you to another clinic.

I would just like to add this is really bad advice as i have known people who have gotten kicked off their methadone because they tested positive for benzos - PA

You have to ask your clinic specifically for their rules..then you will know. They have everything in writing..shits not made up. If your clinic will instantly drop you for benzos...obviously don't do it.

I just gave my experience at 2 different clinics. Both allowed benzos by prescription, and even had doctor you could see once a month that would even prescribe them (if you had a preexisting prescription or for sleep during tapering..though it would be rare to be prescribed them right off the bat. After they tried other avenues people would eventually get benzos).

Just ask your counselor...its obvious that every clinic has different rules
 
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Jake, If your clinic said no benzos they mean no benzos.I've had problems in the past with that.Taking to your doctor won't help.You lied already and they told you they don't accept benzos.I've had this problem quite a bit in the past.I had to change clinics.

The clinics that say "No benzos" do so because methadone and benzos get people high.Meth alone,doesn't do much when you are adjusted to your dose.AND no matter how high you go,you will get adjusted.

Can you look into another clinic where they are not too strict?

For other people on here,the clinics I was on in N.J gave one take-home a week in the beginning because they close on Sundays.Here in Massachusetts,they are open everyday.

Remember a too fast detox from benzos can make you have a seizure.Three months is long enough for that.I had an ex-boyfriend that did 6mg. Xanax for two weeks (in hospital,he was prescribed that and didn't normally take it) when he got out of the hospital,he didn't take any xanax and siezed at North Station in Boston.
 
Jake, If your clinic said no benzos they mean no benzos
They do say no benzos but there are some ppl that talk to the clinic dr. and if you show u are on a script (you may have to sign a release which could be a prob with my dr. since i lied about drug use to him) you can get permission to be on a low dose i believe...................

Meth alone,doesn't do much when you are adjusted to your dose.AND no matter how high you go,you will get adjusted.
It is working for me now as far as killing cravings for dope , up to 70 mg , on about my 3rd week , and they bring you up to 80 and stop...........I just am confused because i feel its only way ill stay off dope but i dont wanna be stuck on methadone a long time either .............

Can you look into another clinic where they are not too strict?
The one i got on is FREE so i cant affford to pay for a different one............

I have heard MANY ppl on MMT say that they are on Klonopin and it doesnt show up on the urines because it metabolizes differently than benzos like Xanax and Valium and the clinics dont wanna spend money to specifically look for klonopin . Any truth to this ?
 
I forgot to add the clinic didn't just throw me off.They detoxed me 5mg. a day.Which made me really sick.They might as well just have thrown me off.

Why did they detox you ? dirty urines ? how long were you on and what dose were you on ? how long did it take to detox you ? maybe i shuold just get thrown off now while ive only been on 3 weeks , so my detox wont be so bad ..............
 
Jake, Not all the clinics have the same rules.One of them detoxed me at 5mg. a day for heroin positives.The ones that said "No benzos" wouldn't even let me on their program unless I tested negative for benzos.I wouldn't advise you to go off unless you have to.If it is working for you,it would be nice to stay on it.Can you ask a counselor about the benzo question?Some clinics don't mind benzos if it is not a high dose.
 
Ok i would like to add that some clinics are really strict and will kick you off your methadone if you test positive for benzos. If you have a script for benzos they will either let you stay on them (thought this may effecy how much methadone you can get or how many takehomes you can get depending on the clinic) or make you do a taper.

Also since benzos stay in your system a long time it's hard to cheat with them.
 
I'm actually kind of curious wtf a benzo has to do with anything related to Jakes situation (PA this is nothing related to what you wrote btw).

He takes the med for anxiety, its prescribed legally by a doctor, THE END OF STORY.
So how do clinics even have the right to request hes off them? The sames too discriminating. So these clinics that do this essentially turn away every single anxiety sufferer whos on a benzo?

"Nope!!! Not today buddy, untill you learn to suffer with anxiety w/out a benzo we're not helping you!", that almost seems cruel in a way.

I sometimes fear for the situation Jakes put himself in because he is very eligible to pop a dirty urine imo. I know he couldn't really control the dope usage before the clinic, I mean he had to do it at least once-twice a week, so I'm curious how you're dealing with dope now. Its only a matter of time before a random urine randomly catches him with dope in his piss.

And I'm curious how he's going to support his current meth habit now when he could only really afford 25-30mg a day prior to this. Thats a situation where Jake will be withdrawing terribly which is the main reason he went to the clinic in the first place and the entire reason he can't exactly get clean.

I myself use to piss dirty urines for parole but had a way to evade their strips. We're not allowed to talk about a certain urine beating topic here but you might want to educate yourself in that area jake. I'd prob still be in prison if I hadn't become such a master at evading the awful/random urine tests. And the way they do them in parole is so demeaning, you stand in a room with 10 impatient excons behind you waiting for you to piss, and an officer staring at your dick the entire time.
Being the peeshy person I am, there was many days even when my bladder was full with liquids, that I still couldn't open the flowway and piss. Ah man I fucking hate urine tests, I prob couldn't go to a meth clinic entirely for that reason alone.
 
Bo
I have only done dope once since i started the methadone 3 weeks ago
i have had one urine and i gave a clean one.................if you call me ill tell you how
Yes this clinic doesnt allow benzos but when i told my counselor i used to take klonopin and feel i still need it (said i went off itin order to get on clinic) , he told me he will refer me to the clinic's dr.
and BO this is a FREE program i am on for a year.......so what are you talking about , how will i afford it ?
 
^^^

I read Bo's comment as asking how you'll be able to afford methadone if you leave/are kicked off the programme now that you're on a higher dosage.

Any word yet on when you get to see the clinic doctor?
 
nope they told me a week about a week ago .......so who knows...........i just think if they did let me stay on the k pin theyd want a release from my dr. who prescribes it , and the prob with that is i told that dr. that i didnt abuse any other drugs so how can i say "hey i lied to get a benzo , im on methadone now " .....................
 
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nope they told me a week about a week ago .......so who knows...........i just think if they did let me stay on the k pin theyd want a release from my dr. who prescribes it , and the prob with that is i told that dr. that i didnt abuse any other drugs so how can i say "hey i lied to get a benzo , im on methadone now " .....................
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There's no way that you're the first clinic patient who's ever lied about being on benzos so this is a situation they've dealt with before. Given that you've only been tested once since starting on the programme, it doesn't seem like they're into micromanaging their patients. Because you mentioned the klonopin to the counsellor before, you can tell them that you thought you could manage without it but are finding you can't - you might even consider telling them that before you need to give another urine.

I'd wait and see what the clinic doctor has to say before you second-guess anything else. It's probably going to be easier for you to find a new doctor to prescribe benzos than it is to find another free methadone clinic. The clinic may even be able to refer you to a physician who is willing to work with methadone patients if your current doctor isn't willing to.

Right now you're driving yourself nuts imagining scenarios which may or may not happen. You're waiting for two different health care providers to discover information you've with-held from them and stressing about when they're going to find out and what will happen when they do. You could - instead - inform them both of what's really going on and then you'd know what you'll be dealing with instead of expending all this energy on maybes. It's kind of difficult to get your health care providers to regard you as a mature adult and consider your viewpoint when you hide shit from them like a guilty teenager afraid of being grounded.
 
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maybe i shuold just get thrown off now while ive only been on 3 weeks , so my detox wont be so bad ..............
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From reading your posts I personally dont think mmt is for you, so I would say do this, as it wont be too bad with only 3 weeks worth in your system.
 
" And the way they do them in parole is so demeaning, you stand in a room with 10 impatient excons behind you waiting for you to piss, and an officer staring at your dick the entire time.
Being the peeshy person I am, there was many days even when my bladder was full with liquids, that I still couldn't open the flowway and piss. Ah man I fucking hate urine tests, I prob couldn't go to a meth clinic entirely for that reason alone. "


Only in america would they be able to get away with these sorts of things. In the u.k. no-one watches you piss and you can have a benzo script , even dirty urines wont effect you maintenance dose. I expect most of europe is the same.
 
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