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Update on opiate journey..........
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theartofwar
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all depends on the drug test method honestly bro. I dunno what's kosher with me going into detail wise but some drug tests are a joke whereas others can be much more detailed.
shootingmyself
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I'd take things one step at a time. I was prescribed benzos for years and was finally able to be free of them this year. It sounds like you need the MMT more than the benzos. Treating the underlying anxiety is key. I got put on neorontin and celexa which have completely killed my anxiety.
I was on MMT for almost 4 years. My problem was I kept upping my dose so I could feel just a glimmer of a buzz. I ended up going to 165mg which I definitely didn't need. But once I'd stabilize on a dose, I missed that little buzz I could catch. I'm afraid this is what might happen to you. I know for me suboxone was a much better choice because I couldn't really get high from it.
Once I was off benzos I got on suboxone for almost a year. Being at a stable dose helped to lift that obsession and compulsion I felt to use. Learning what to do when I did experience some mild anxiety was important for me too. Not everyone has to take a pill or do a shot when they feel a little uncomfortable, and that was hard to learn. I've been completely drug free from everything but suboxone for a year now. And this is my 4th day free of subs. Good luck to you, you can do it if you use the resources that are at hand.
I was on MMT for almost 4 years. My problem was I kept upping my dose so I could feel just a glimmer of a buzz. I ended up going to 165mg which I definitely didn't need. But once I'd stabilize on a dose, I missed that little buzz I could catch. I'm afraid this is what might happen to you. I know for me suboxone was a much better choice because I couldn't really get high from it.
Once I was off benzos I got on suboxone for almost a year. Being at a stable dose helped to lift that obsession and compulsion I felt to use. Learning what to do when I did experience some mild anxiety was important for me too. Not everyone has to take a pill or do a shot when they feel a little uncomfortable, and that was hard to learn. I've been completely drug free from everything but suboxone for a year now. And this is my 4th day free of subs. Good luck to you, you can do it if you use the resources that are at hand.
today i was so worried about if i can piss clean and stay on program that i took like 5 klonopin and drank some of my take home dose..................stupid i know but i was so scared that my friends were gonna forget about me and leave me hangin at least i aint doing heroin
Lolie
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If they're lenient enough to give you take aways in your first week it's possible that they're lenient enough not to have a one-strike policy.
Did they increase your daily dose or are you now going to be short of tomorrow's dose?
The reason people can't be precise about exactly when the metabolites of klonopin would drop below detectable levels is that it depends on dose, frequency of use and your individual metabolism. A large dose or a slow metabolism are going to make it detectable for longer as is daily dosing (because you've still got a significant amount of the old doses in your system when you take each new dose).
If they're lenient enough to give you take aways in your first week it's possible that they're lenient enough not to have a one-strike policy.
Did they increase your daily dose or are you now going to be short of tomorrow's dose?
The reason people can't be precise about exactly when the metabolites of klonopin would drop below detectable levels is that it depends on dose, frequency of use and your individual metabolism. A large dose or a slow metabolism are going to make it detectable for longer as is daily dosing (because you've still got a significant amount of the old doses in your system when you take each new dose).
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Bojangles69
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Jake I'm gonna be straight with you but you seriously should try just stopping the klonopin right now. Think about how perfect a time this is right now.
They are upping your opiate dose which will have you feeling better and better during the day, chances are you are NOT even going to have klonopin wds if you stop, and the klonopin is becoming more of an anxiety causer at this point than anxiety reliever.
I'm serious dude it just sounds like a good time to try stopping. Any anxiety you get I see the methadone quelling, and I don't really see you getting any physical wds. I've just abused benzos so many times w/out getting wds, maybe I'm just lucky (I also usually stopped when I was on some form of opiate too fyi - I do have a belief that opiates help with the wds A LOT but I can't just assume I had them and didn't feel them).
And in all honesty I'm not even sure what you like about klonopin, it wound up doing shit for me after a certain point and I didn't even like taking it and just stopped. I can understand having a hard time stopping xanax, but klonopin is much easier imo.
It would be cool if you stopped cause than you can put all your focus on one thing.
They are upping your opiate dose which will have you feeling better and better during the day, chances are you are NOT even going to have klonopin wds if you stop, and the klonopin is becoming more of an anxiety causer at this point than anxiety reliever.
I'm serious dude it just sounds like a good time to try stopping. Any anxiety you get I see the methadone quelling, and I don't really see you getting any physical wds. I've just abused benzos so many times w/out getting wds, maybe I'm just lucky (I also usually stopped when I was on some form of opiate too fyi - I do have a belief that opiates help with the wds A LOT but I can't just assume I had them and didn't feel them).
And in all honesty I'm not even sure what you like about klonopin, it wound up doing shit for me after a certain point and I didn't even like taking it and just stopped. I can understand having a hard time stopping xanax, but klonopin is much easier imo.
It would be cool if you stopped cause than you can put all your focus on one thing.
bo you are rght , i hope if i do it can be outta my urine in a week or two/ iwas on it 3-4 months every day
i started out gettng just 20 xanax this way i can take a couplle of them the first few days i dont take the klonopin and itll make it easier to start it out then cut k pin down to maybe 1 a day then stop
i started out gettng just 20 xanax this way i can take a couplle of them the first few days i dont take the klonopin and itll make it easier to start it out then cut k pin down to maybe 1 a day then stop
Bojangles69
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Yeh absolutely bro cause what I'm saying is I don't think you would actually get anything worse than rebound anxiety. If they are upping your meth, try dropping the klon next time they up it. Or even try whenever and see how you feel. I think you will get some anxiety but I also think the methadone is going to swallow it all.
I don't know I just found klonopin somewhat self regulating by how quickly your tolerance grows to it. Or maybe it was just me but towards the end 6mg nearly did nothing. I just tend to think opiates kill your anxiety better and pain in general so you really should be good to go imo.
I don't know I just found klonopin somewhat self regulating by how quickly your tolerance grows to it. Or maybe it was just me but towards the end 6mg nearly did nothing. I just tend to think opiates kill your anxiety better and pain in general so you really should be good to go imo.
donnie080208
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In the u.k. you are allowed to take benzo's with mmt , as long as you dont tell them its a high dose i reckon you'll be o.k.. I know someones said stop using benzo's alltogether, but imo id take one thing at a time jake, as long as your not taking massive doses with your 'done you'll be allright.
Opiates like oxy,heroin are hard enough to stay off without the methadone and benzo's never mind nothing whatsoever, imo get a good 6 months clean time( just on youre 'done), then worry bout getting off klonipin, unless of course your forced to by the stupid and unfair U.S. clinics.
Good luck jake, well done + all the best bro
Opiates like oxy,heroin are hard enough to stay off without the methadone and benzo's never mind nothing whatsoever, imo get a good 6 months clean time( just on youre 'done), then worry bout getting off klonipin, unless of course your forced to by the stupid and unfair U.S. clinics.
Good luck jake, well done + all the best bro
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i gotta wait like a week until i can see the Dr. at the clinic............then he would have to talk to my Dr. who prescribed the benzo (but i never told that dr. i had an opiate problem so i dont know what to do )
i think if i had to choose to go off one id go off klonpin and stay on methadone but even if i did that to pass the random urines ive been on klonopin a few months so it would take awhle to piss clean for benzos
i think if i had to choose to go off one id go off klonpin and stay on methadone but even if i did that to pass the random urines ive been on klonopin a few months so it would take awhle to piss clean for benzos
Bojangles69
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Hey Jake just so you know for yourself if your curious I use to be in the habit (when I was on parole) of buying my own urine tests off ebay. They are extremely cheap and handy for anyone who gets piss tests.
If you are ever unsure about the urine you're giving, you can test it yourself before you give it to the clinic. Also, another thing this helped me do was play around with different chemicals that "lock" different alkaloids.
We're not allowed to talk about beating urine tests here but having your own testing strips in hand can definitely be handy at times. There was several times I went to parole on pods having swallowed some random flush/lock supplement from GNC and because I didn't trust the clerky recommendation I'd test myself before going to parole. No fucking way I was taking that chance.
Either way I didn't realize you were actually chasing a klonopin high. I never had that problem cause klonopin for the most part sucked to me. It really just makes you a tad bit calm but at a certain point I'd take my pills and feel no transition in mood whatsoever. If they actually did more... like taking 6mg of xanax does... then I might be able to chase a high.
But I remember the whole reason you got on klon in the first place is because you felt you wouldn't want to chase any high. Just make sure the high is actually coming from the klonopin and not the methadone, because it could make it easier for you to detach physchologically from the klonopin.
If you ARE getting a good effect from it, then I'm not going to tell you to stop. Theres still a chance the klonopin is causing more good in your life than actual problems. Opiates seem like the major issue. But if you get off the opiates and aren't off the klonopin first, thats a dynamic you set up where you're likely to start abusing the crap out of the klonopin.
Either way just focus on stablity/being happy with your life/and doing shit you need/want to do. Drugs can be there for a while w/out actually causing much if any problems if you try to become more self-aware of your behavoir.
Like I said before I feel so much better these days regardless of being on drugs because at some point I realized that me blaming so many problems on drugs was me not accepting responsiblity for anything I was actually doing.
To a degree accepting responsiblity is prob more important than actually stopping drugs. I think the whole reason we get addicted in the first place is we don't neccessarily focus or plan for the future the way we should. The future comes, we feel like shit, so we need to take drugs.
The more stable your life is in general the less you will feel like you need to be high all the time. Just a pice of advice for yah.
ttyl
If you are ever unsure about the urine you're giving, you can test it yourself before you give it to the clinic. Also, another thing this helped me do was play around with different chemicals that "lock" different alkaloids.
We're not allowed to talk about beating urine tests here but having your own testing strips in hand can definitely be handy at times. There was several times I went to parole on pods having swallowed some random flush/lock supplement from GNC and because I didn't trust the clerky recommendation I'd test myself before going to parole. No fucking way I was taking that chance.
Either way I didn't realize you were actually chasing a klonopin high. I never had that problem cause klonopin for the most part sucked to me. It really just makes you a tad bit calm but at a certain point I'd take my pills and feel no transition in mood whatsoever. If they actually did more... like taking 6mg of xanax does... then I might be able to chase a high.
But I remember the whole reason you got on klon in the first place is because you felt you wouldn't want to chase any high. Just make sure the high is actually coming from the klonopin and not the methadone, because it could make it easier for you to detach physchologically from the klonopin.
If you ARE getting a good effect from it, then I'm not going to tell you to stop. Theres still a chance the klonopin is causing more good in your life than actual problems. Opiates seem like the major issue. But if you get off the opiates and aren't off the klonopin first, thats a dynamic you set up where you're likely to start abusing the crap out of the klonopin.
Either way just focus on stablity/being happy with your life/and doing shit you need/want to do. Drugs can be there for a while w/out actually causing much if any problems if you try to become more self-aware of your behavoir.
Like I said before I feel so much better these days regardless of being on drugs because at some point I realized that me blaming so many problems on drugs was me not accepting responsiblity for anything I was actually doing.
To a degree accepting responsiblity is prob more important than actually stopping drugs. I think the whole reason we get addicted in the first place is we don't neccessarily focus or plan for the future the way we should. The future comes, we feel like shit, so we need to take drugs.
The more stable your life is in general the less you will feel like you need to be high all the time. Just a pice of advice for yah.
ttyl
Thank man , well here are a few ideas i am kicking around in my head.....................1 just got 30 50 mg tramadol from my dr. since i hurt my arm bad playing football (i think i shuld save them in case i end up having to go off the methadone and they could ease the withdrawals)i dont think the clinic can cut you off cold turkey (unless you get caught using someone else's urine) but i know if you keep coming up for benzos on the tests, then they can drop your doses real fast and take you off......(which could be best thing to do before i end up stuck on it for a long time like a lotta ppl) anyway its only been about 8 days on the M-done and i am at 60 mg..............as far as weaning myself off the benzos so i can have my own clean piss in my body to use when i am tested, i got like 20 xanax so i am taking a 3 day break from the k pin (i know its still a benzo but i am trying to at least get the k pin level lower since ive been on it so long) . then maybe after the 3 days i can just take like 1 mg k pin a day , and see how i am , if the clinic brings me up , (they are supposed to go to 80 mg , when you get to 60 , they do that for 3 days then 65 ,70 etc til you hit 80 ...............so i dont seem to be able to rely on my friend who helped me get on the clinic in the first place which really hurts since i thought she really cared and was gonna be there for me , (she was goin every morning and was stayin down street from me but got kicked outta her moms so she i way out at her friends house far away now) and they promised to meet me at the clinic at 8 yesterday but overslept ,then after that she promised to meet me today to give me what i needed to not worry about the tests but i havent heard from her all day .............i spoke to her mom and im starting to see why her mom was so fed up with her...........its pretty selfish of her to leave me hanging.........my other boy brian i who has been on over a year at 100 mg can give piss but i dont trust him (even though he is on probation he gets high a lot and risks the clinic tellin his PO which would violate him) anyway itll all work out, i think.........
donnie080208
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Is the methadone cutting down on your cravings for other, more fun opiates then? If it is id do everthing in your power to stay on it , indefinetly if you have to. The cash and the good effects this will have on your life is difficult to underestimate, stay away from your "using friends" if you have to just cut them off completely. good look mate its a hard road what ever path you take. dont worry about methadonw WD'S till you do then(in a few years or when ever), they are overdramatised imo unless you just cold turkey of high doses but if you wean slowly its fairly painless. all the best jake.
Is the methadone cutting down on your cravings for other, more fun opiates then? If it is id do everthing in your power to stay on it , indefinetly if you have to. The cash and the good effects this will have on your life is difficult to underestimate, stay away from your "using friends" if you have to just cut them off completely. good look mate its a hard road what ever path you take. dont worry about methadonw WD'S till you do then(in a few years or when ever), they are overdramatised imo unless you just cold turkey of high doses but if you wean slowly its fairly painless. all the best jake.
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do you work for a methadone clinic or something? recommending someone to stay on methadone indefinitely? i've been on methadone and done a slow taper and I can assure you it is far from painless that is a reckless and uninformed statement to make i'll go as far to call it a flat out lie. it is called "liquid handcuffs" for a reason
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