Opioids Ultimate Poppy Pod/Seed Tea Mega Merged Thread III

[DiscoTex]

The best ESTIMATE that I can give you is that on average, I have found around 20-25grams of pods having the equivalent strength of 60-80mg oxycodone when consumed whole. The ESTIMATE for consuming in tea form is ESTIMATED to be around 30% weaker. I don't know how much your mammoth or super mammoth pods weight when dried and pulverized to a flour-like consistency, but 5 rounded tablespoons which is around 20-25grams like I said above is around 60-80mg oxycodone. Do NOT consume this many tablespoons/grams if you don't have a tolerance because you can overdose. You should never dose by the pod, instead dose by the tablespoon. Please be careful with this stuff. I'm happy to hear that you are using this beautiful plant in its natural form, the way it was meant to be taken. I will never resort to the semi-synthetics again because the poppy in its natural form gets the job done and WELL. Like I said, be careful and respect this beautiful plant, I hear the withdrawals are far worst than if you withdrawal from a semi-synthetic such as hydrocodone. Oh, and you are pretty close to what I would say is a good estimate of strength per pod. 1 of your pods are possibly close to 1 of your 20mg oxycodone IR's.

I think this is spot on and is the most accurate
PPT to OC conversion I've read. I would only add that the PPT high lasts longer than that 60-80 OC would. I abused Percs and OCs in the past. I was taking 200mg a day. I was shocked to find that 5 tablespoons of ground PPT brewed into Tea and only washed twice gave me a stronger, richer & fuller euphoria than I ever had with pharmaceuticals. Ever!

You don't want to be addicted to this stuff though. 1x a week tops, no discussion.

 

[DiscoTex]

Alright. I am an addict. I first used poppy seed tea a year ago last summer. It was the first time I had a real opiate high. I didn't develop a habit then though. In the following winter I had to have surgery and was given Percocet 5s which I didn't really need. I used them recreationally, didnt WD when I ran out. Didn't try to get more.

Ok, now forward to April 2010. I get into pods. I start using once a week, this becomes twice a week by July, and every other day by September.

Now with the situation with weak product everywhere and the fact I have a high tolerance I've been off the stuff for 5 days now. I get these pains in my legs and I'm a bit depressed, also runny nose but that's it.

How long do I have to stay off opiates to bring my tolerance back down to where it was in April 2010? I know people's bodies vary but give me a ballpark figure, if you would oblige.

Also, is the withdrawal going to get worse? It's been a full 5 days now. I don't get insomnia or RLS. Some diarrhea here and there nothing too bothersome. I have Phenazepam and soon Etizolam to deal with insomnia if need be.

Note that I do plan to resume this habit, but not until my tolerance is sane.

EDIT: Sidenotes about how my body handles pod tea if it means anything. I typically have miosis for 24-36 hours and can feel "something" in my system. Not a full blown opiate high that long but I know I'm under the spell of something for up to 36 hours.

PPT stays in your system longer than most short acting opiates, this means the acute withdrawl period--the nasty part with worst physical symptoms--usually lasts a couple days longer than say H or OC WD. The good news is you have made it 5 days so the worst is definently behind you. You will now probably have no energy, depression and restless leg syndrome on and off for the next 5 days. After everything should subside. Any exercise you can get will help with the restless leg... Do not take any benedryl or unison I, it's active ingredient makes RLS worse and coupled with WD it's hellish.

Congratulations, hard parts over.

If you need something to tide you over while waiting for the situation to improve try Kratom. I personally don't think it can hold a candle to PPT tea but will def eliminate WD and it's good for a small buzz. Like popping a couple vicodin. If you thought PPT tasted bad though...

 

[Pegasus]

^Capsules prevent taste!

 

[jtobias69]

So I tried 5 small pods today. I ground them up into a dust-like consistency then poured hot water from a coffee maker and lemon juice into them, stirred it around, and let it sit for about 20 minutes, then combined with grapefruit juice. I experienced no effects. Am I making the tea wrong? Are my pods duds? Am I not using enough pods? I have never taken opiates before this so I have zero tolerance so I didn't think I would have to use that many. Help is appreciated.

 

[Timland]

So I ordered a bunch of potentiators and down-regulators for when I am taking tolerance breaks. Spent 6 hours perusing threads about speeding up down-regulation and potentiating and came up with this. I'm wondering if it pertains to anything specific in poppy pod tea, or as I like to call opium water.

DL-Phenylalanine / DLPA
Magnesium Glycinate - Chelated
Lactoferrin
Shit tons of cardio exercise while taking tolerance breaks
Possibly taking mild uppers like Ephedrine/Caffeine/Aspirin (ECA stack) while on tolerance break to deal with endorphin depletion.

Is any of this bad advice? Please feel free to chime in.

Working on importing some pure Quinine.

I've been dosing 12 hour extended release DXM while on tolerance break. Before future poppy pod sessions I'll be taking 30mg 1 hour before the session. I hear cimetidine interferes with the DXM converting to DXO though and DXO is needed to uh do the right things to the receptors to help keep tolerance lowered.

EDIT: And since my last post my endorphin-induced depression has been getting milder. I've used Kratom 100% alkaloid tinctures because the powders are trash for me even the UEI and they help a little. I can tell you they definitely have no cross tolerance, though I have no biology, pharmacology, or neurochemistry experience. The Kratom tinctures feel like hydrocodone.

 

[Pegasus]

I've read conflicting views about the constipation caused by eating the raw grinds vs drinking the tea. Some claim the extra fiber adds bulk to your feces and keeps you regular. From experience, it definitely adds bulk and definitely still constipates me. Thank God I am not physically dependent or an everyday user at that of this stuff because I can see some serious health complications. The use of a laxative is required for me to have a bowl movement that doesn't even come until 2 days after I dose.

I'm sort of confused, are you disagreeing about the poppy pod in its natural form having worst withdrawals then the semi-synthetics or are you saying that due to the constipation that poppy straw causes you think the semi-synthetics are easier?

The bulk is not wanted for opiate-induced constipation. Fiber supplements are not a good idea for constipation for this reason.

 

[jamesBrown]

I kinda just jumped into this thread a second ago and I dont have the eergy to read all the posts, but I do notice you are talking about opiate(opiod) induced constipation and I can tell you from personal experience, if you are having ANY kind of constipation that can be considered worse than average(like you poop only 1-2 times a week, maybe 3 times) then you definitely should get that checked out.....atleast after you have allready tried stool softeners, laxatives, etc....
I say this(and I know its a little off topic) because I am going through the most horrific, pain-filled, hell-like experience because I neglected my opiate induced constipation for a few months and it turns out I have a MASSIVE block of shit backed up all the way into my small intestine, and according to the doctor in the E.R. your shit is never supposed to be in the small intestine once its fully formed. Not only has it clogged my ability to poop, but it is the size of a softballl(maybe larger he said, and I am unable to take a shit anymore. I havent had a bowel movement in over a week, and before that I was only crapping once a week for 5 months....so you can imagine how much shit is up there.....its the really compacted shit fyi.

Theres a good chance im gonna have to go to the hospital to have them surgically cut open my gut and my intestines and remove this massive piece of poop before it completely tears my intestines apart(they are allready tearing).

I am in the worst pain of my life. More pain than I thought existed in this world and its been going on for 2 weeks now...and it keeps getting worse.

i guess my point is, if your having trouble with constipation from opiate use, PLEASE make sure you keep track of it very carefully because you might end up like me...not being able to eat, walk, llie down, sleep, think properly, crap, ....basically anything that involves moving my body and some things that dont, Its absolutely unbearable and I wouldnt wish this pain on anyone, so pease be carefull.

 

[Pegasus]

^Man, with as much posting as you do here, I can't believe you haven't seen any threads warning of this??

 

[jamesBrown]

^Man, with as much posting as you do here, I can't believe you haven't seen any threads warning of this??

Its not that I never new it was possible, or that I missed the warnings, its just that I never felt ANY pain the entire time I was constipated and I was using ALOT of stool softeners, laxatives, etc....

Also, I dont really have the money to be going to a hospital on a hunch that I may or may not have a mass of shit in my intestines....cuz like I said, I never felt any sign of pain, and I just figured that I was pooping most of it out, it was just more compacted for some reason so thats why I only went once a week....cuz all the poop was compacted into one bowel movement.(or atleast thats what I thought)

But it really just came down to the fact I just didnt have the money to go to the hospital/doctor for something that may or may not be a problem.

I was aware of what the possile outcomes were but I had no pain and no money so I just didnt/couldnt go get help.

 

[Sp33dy]

I'm sorry to hear that JB man that's horrible You are lucky that you caught it in time, I've heard horror stories about the feces actually coming back past the small intestines and making it to the stomach...soon after that you can die from the toxins. At least you caught this in time and I'm sure you won't be making the same mistake again. I hope the best for you man. Going to restroom only once or twice a week is never a good sign and I understand that there are a lot of people here who are that irregular, but it's not good. I don't know your whole situation JB, but have you completely stopped taking opiates in an attempt of passing this? I've never taken opiates long enough to withdrawal but I hear the diarrhea is something out of the world... if you are dependent, have you considered inducing withdrawal to pass this? I know this is a weird idea but it logical...

 

[jamesBrown]

I'm sorry to hear that JB man that's horrible You are lucky that you caught it in time, I've heard horror stories about the feces actually coming back past the small intestines and making it to the stomach...soon after that you can die from the toxins. At least you caught this in time and I'm sure you won't be making the same mistake again. I hope the best for you man. Going to restroom only once or twice a week is never a good sign and I understand that there are a lot of people here who are that irregular, but it's not good. I don't know your whole situation JB, but have you completely stopped taking opiates in an attempt of passing this? I've never taken opiates long enough to withdrawal but I hear the diarrhea is something out of the world... if you are dependent, have you considered inducing withdrawal to pass this? I know this is a weird idea but it logical...

Actually the only opiates I have been taking in the past like 7 months was suboxone(low dose...0.5mg's 1-3times a day), but I had stopped taking my suboxone just about a month before this pain started....and I have not taken an opiate since.

Also, even if I was still taking the suboxone, quitting it would not induce withdrawal because I have managed to figure out a dosing and maintanence schedule with suboxone that allows me to take it as long as I want without becoming addicted to it. When I was taking my suboxone for all those months I would take breaks fairly often, the longest being about 15 days, but I am now currently on my longest break so far like I mentioned above, its been about a month since my last suboxone dose. So unfortunately, stopping the suboxone will not cause withdrawal effects even if I was still taking my subs. In fact, whenever I WAS an opiate addict(heroin, oxy, etc...) I never had a problem with diarhea whenever I was in WD's for some reason. I just got horrible pains and aches, and just absolute hell....but no loose stool. I dont know why, everyone I know whos addicted to opiates get the "runs" when they are in WD's but I dont. Guess im lucky.

Thanks for your concern though, I appreciate it. Im probably going to the hospital today to have them cut open my gut and then open my lower intestine to pull the ball of shit out.
But, if i manage to take a MASSIVE shit sometiem soon, then I probably wont go.....but im not sure I would wanna go that route, cuz it might leave my asshole the size of a frisbee. It would be like giving birth through the anus.

 

[Sp33dy]

Well congrats on your successful regime you have going on there, I'm surprised to hear how well you've managed the suboxone. Dude I wish you the best of luck there, maby the doctor can give you an enema or something to prevent an incision The last thing that you want to do right now is consume anything that can cause further constipation. Eat some berries man, lots and lots of berries, the mixture of fiber and water is sure to help :/ Eat a pint or two of blueberries. Let this be a lesson for anyone who allows opiate-induced constipation to go unchecked for even a short amount of time.

 

[JitteryJeff]

Hey everyone. Sorry if I could have found more exact info on this somewhere else in one of the other opiate dependence threads, or in this one, but I have a question.

Until a week ago, I was using a 500 g poppy seed tea every day, and then rewashed it for about 1/3 of the dose the next day for about 2 months. The first dose was always really good, and almost gave me a nod. It lingered around until almost the next night, when I took my smaller dose. This cycle was repeated for 2 months.

Then, last week, the store ran out of seeds that work, in other words the unwashed darker seeds with bits of pod in them. The ones they have now just don't work period. I've wasted money trying over and over just to make sure.

I went through some mild withdrawals; basically mild body aches, headache, runny nose, restless arms and legs, and insomnia for about 5 days afterwards. It wasn't too bad, but not exactly something I'm down for all the time. I am completely better now, and am wondering if I took a smaller dose, say about 250 g, would I be at risk of bringing back any withdrawals right away?

Thanks.

 

[amapola]

Also, I dont really have the money to be going to a hospital on a hunch that I may or may not have a mass of shit in my intestines

like+1 (sorry)
jamesBrown have you tried full colonic enemas? It might take like a hundred of them to soften and dissolve that shit ball up, but they work wonders if I haven't had a good crap in a few days. Maybe some probiotic yogurt at the same time as well though it might be a moot point if you're large intestine is already shut down.

I am completely better now, and am wondering if I took a smaller dose, say about 250 g, would I be at risk of bringing back any withdrawals right away?

Your tolerance is likely still close to where it was at before withdrawal, but you will not bring back the same level of WD symptoms "right away" You need to have the same amount of drugs in your system again, i.e. weeks of constant use again.

 

[JitteryJeff]

Great! Thank you! Very much appreciated.

 

[amapola]

I'd also add that when you say "completely better" your physical wd might be over but you could still be suffering from some depression or anxiety and might be having mood problems attributed to the multiple month abuse that you might not even be fully aware of. Since you are clean at the moment it might pay off to take a few weeks away from pst and fully check back in with your sober self.

 

[Timland]

Another question about poppy pod tea (and opiates in general)

Should I take BOTH Chlorphenamine and Diphenhydramine as potentiators? Or would it be a waste of one of the drugs (Though Diph is cheap as table salt when bought in bulk)

I'm prepared for the additional respiratory depression if I do this. I'm just wondering if would be a waste of time going out to buy some Chlor before I resume my addiction.

 

[dorkchop]

So I tried 5 small pods today. I ground them up into a dust-like consistency then poured hot water from a coffee maker and lemon juice into them, stirred it around, and let it sit for about 20 minutes, then combined with grapefruit juice. I experienced no effects. Am I making the tea wrong? Are my pods duds? Am I not using enough pods? I have never taken opiates before this so I have zero tolerance so I didn't think I would have to use that many. Help is appreciated.

This has been asked and answered so many times in the past few weeks or so...especially since the really really small pods have been going around.

Bottom line - DON'T dose in terms of "X number of pods." Dose in terms of "X tablespoons of ground pod material" or better yet, "X grams of ground pod material."

 

[artaxerxes]

Just got my pods today, they are surprisingly small.... I can fit about 4-5 in the palm of my hand. Anyways, I grinded up about 10-12(ended up being 6 -7 tablespoons)and am currently choking down the grounds, wow this shit is rough. I have a pretty high opiate tolerance and I'm in withdrawal from not having my 40mg of Opana today.... So i hope these help a little bit, will post results. Anyone got any comments on my dose? Should i take more?



edit: Update: Stomach doesnt feel that great, almost feel like I got grounds stabbing into my gut,lol

Hey man, just jumped in here after a long hiatus… maybe you've got this figured out by now, but just in case, you're dosing way too low for your tolerance.

Furthermore, it sounds like you got small pods and those aren't usually grown to maturity so they possess fewer alkaloids. At least that's what I learned when a friend was growing poppies.

This year's crops have been shit so I've seen a lot of the smalls being sold by different vendors and I can confirm that most of what's being sold as mediums are actually smalls and they are dry, thin-walled, weak pods. (The old school arizonas were sticky and thick-walled.) So, you'll need a hefty number of pods. It's best to go by weight really, but I can't really recommend a number of grams for you to take because I can't be sure of the potency of the small pods you have.

Hopefully you've found a dosage that works for you by now. This is a rotten year to switch to pods that's for sure.

 

[tweexican]

Jesus, poppy tea.

I used to get pounds shipped to me at a time. There used to be nothing better than grinding that shit up and dosing all day.

I remember almost dying one night after a super, potent batch. You really have to be careful.

I did also learn that adding acid to the tea not only helps the bitter taste, but improves potency. good stuff