Yes they are most likely losing potency/quality. When you grind up any plant matter finely it immediately starts to oxidize. The longer it oxidizes the more alkaloids that you will lose. I have an article somewhere explaining this in depth.. let me see if I can dig it up. In the mean time, only grind up anything you're ingesting immediately before using if possible.
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Yes they are most likely losing potency/quality. When you grind up any plant matter finely it immediately starts to oxidize. The longer it oxidizes the more alkaloids that you will lose. I have an article somewhere explaining this in depth.. let me see if I can dig it up. In the mean time, only grind up anything you're ingesting immediately before using if possible.
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I notice you're using far less seeds than me. It might be our own personal preferences or the quality of the seeds though, but I still want to try your technique with the amount I usually use. This way I might tell which is better, if there's any difference at all. Will post back later. Also: do you rewash the seeds a second and third time?
Lustmord
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If it takes about 25 mgs of OC to get me going pretty well, how many jumbo pods should I grind up for a first dose of PPT? The jumbo pods are coming in the mail to me -- and it looks like they might be around tennis ball sized.
(Sorry for asking a question that is probably near-impossible to answer accurately.)
EDIT: Also, plugging was mentioned in the OP -- isn't this a lot of liquid to plug? Or is there a trick, like letting the solution dry?
(Sorry for asking a question that is probably near-impossible to answer accurately.)
EDIT: Also, plugging was mentioned in the OP -- isn't this a lot of liquid to plug? Or is there a trick, like letting the solution dry?
DoseYouAll
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Probably One jumbo pod or maybe Two, if you get high on 25mg of OC. Depends on the variety. I got some tasmanian poppies that were super strong and 5-6 medium sized pods (golf ball sized at most) felt like 150mg of OC. I was nodding hard.
Oxide
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I wash them a second time with good results, and a third time with much less pleasant results. By the time I'm ready to wash em again they've gone bad and the whole tea is just an oily mess.
Lustmord
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Alright -- thanks DYA.
I'll try one jumbo pod to begin with, I can always steep it a second time to get the rest of the stuff out.
I'll try one jumbo pod to begin with, I can always steep it a second time to get the rest of the stuff out.
ratgirldjh
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anyone tried the 2011 crop from the Northwest?
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muvolution
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That's a little too specific for Bluelight given that when I google "that term, haha" I come up with a very specific vendor. Let's keep the discussion general enough to stay well away from sourcing, especially given the status of pods these days. Thanks.
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Fire&Water
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I never got "blown away" stoned from pods until I sqeazed the juice of 3 lemons into a liter of water w/ 10 purple
pods ground to fine in a food processor, then set on top of refridgerator (around 95 degrees) overnight w/ tight
fitting lid...the high ph def' releases more dried opium from the pods. And I cannot get high from oxy/hydro -
(high tolerance) just to let ya' know how strong it really is. I dont use the seeds -
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pods ground to fine in a food processor, then set on top of refridgerator (around 95 degrees) overnight w/ tight
fitting lid...the high ph def' releases more dried opium from the pods. And I cannot get high from oxy/hydro -
(high tolerance) just to let ya' know how strong it really is. I dont use the seeds -
(Johnny Appleseed)
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limonov
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I find it quite amusing that people are so disbelieving of poppy seed tea- it is incredibly variable, but if you get good unwashed seeds you will be able to make a morphine-rich tea (that is almost undrinkably bitter). Oh, and for anyone who has actually taken opiates, you need to use 1kg (around 2lb) of seeds MINIMUM to make a tea work drinking. When I started drinking poppy wash (tea made from seeds is 'wash', from bulbs it's 'tea') I would drink 1kg, which was about equivilant to 60mg oral morphine. Now, nearly 3 years down the track, I drink about 3kg (about equiv. to 200mg oral morphine). You will never get high off a tea that is made from 300g of seed. Yes, it is fucking ridiculous shaking half a dozen coke bottles for 20 minutes- I live in a fucking isolated country without much going on, what the fuck else am I gonna do with myself? No one would drink wash if they could get something better as easily.
Unlike most of you, I buy my seeds from a store from a person who knows exactly what I'm going to do with them (the shop owner is an on/off poppy wash addict) and the seeds are sold specifically for tea- you pay an outrageous price per kg, but you are getting a gaurenteed level of quality. Until recently I assumed the owner was getting unwashed seeds from Asia, but actually the answer (which I found out today) is far simplier and stranger. The best poppy seeds for poppy tea are 'A special variety' packaged and sold in 15kg sacks by none other than the pharmacutical giant NO SOURCES- they are legitimate opium poppy seeds, I presume that this particular strain is grown for its morphine content (to make codeine, rather than thebaine produce semi-synthetic opiates) thus the seeds themselves will have a healthy coating of alkaloids. I suppose it'd make sense that you'd get able to get them in New Zealand, as most of the worlds legitimate poppies are grown just over in Tasmania.
So yeah, I don't think this is qualifies as sourcing. I'm mainly stoked that my poppy wash is - derived- take that you grimey fucks! If I can get one of the sacks I'll be sure to take a picture of it.
Unlike most of you, I buy my seeds from a store from a person who knows exactly what I'm going to do with them (the shop owner is an on/off poppy wash addict) and the seeds are sold specifically for tea- you pay an outrageous price per kg, but you are getting a gaurenteed level of quality. Until recently I assumed the owner was getting unwashed seeds from Asia, but actually the answer (which I found out today) is far simplier and stranger. The best poppy seeds for poppy tea are 'A special variety' packaged and sold in 15kg sacks by none other than the pharmacutical giant NO SOURCES- they are legitimate opium poppy seeds, I presume that this particular strain is grown for its morphine content (to make codeine, rather than thebaine produce semi-synthetic opiates) thus the seeds themselves will have a healthy coating of alkaloids. I suppose it'd make sense that you'd get able to get them in New Zealand, as most of the worlds legitimate poppies are grown just over in Tasmania.
So yeah, I don't think this is qualifies as sourcing. I'm mainly stoked that my poppy wash is - derived- take that you grimey fucks! If I can get one of the sacks I'll be sure to take a picture of it.
Fire&Water
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The best tea I have made from my homegrown poppy's were "freeze dried" just after harvested rolled in a paper bag
then inserted into a quart mason jar (frozen for 4 months) up to a year is okay, just dont open the jar until you want
to use. I have had excellent results w/ this method with homegrown bud also It actually takes on a "concentrated" -
effect, and is not a placebo effect.
then inserted into a quart mason jar (frozen for 4 months) up to a year is okay, just dont open the jar until you want
to use. I have had excellent results w/ this method with homegrown bud also It actually takes on a "concentrated" -
effect, and is not a placebo effect.
doppelganga196
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Am I the only one who uses at least 20 to 60 pods per batch of tea???
No, i'm not a heroin addict nor do i have a very high opiate tolerance: 180 mg of dihydrocodeine is quite pleasant for me & my usual dose of codeine is between 180 & 300 mg, normally i'll take 240 mg which produces a very pleasant high but these days i'm going with DHC as codeine literally kicks in after 10 mins then 20 mins later the best of the high is over & all thats left is sedation, it really pisses me off. However codeine is a great drug if you have a bad, really bad, hangover.
So yeah, i use a shitload of poppys at once, & from various different spots so i know some are stronger than others & some are very weak but i'm just mystified when i read about people who take something like oxycodone getting high of '6 to 8 pods' i mean, i know some are huge, i've personally never had pods bigger than a golf ball.
On sunday i did get a nice litte shock when i picked what turned out to be 31 pods. They were very dry & i thought they would do nothing other than give me a pleasant sleep but wow they were real strong, thought i might puke but was fine & 'nodding' nicely about 4 hours after ingestion & when it kicked in it kicked in fast, like 30 mins later.
Just in case anybody thinks i'm just crap at making the tea, hence i need so many, that's not the case. I've been doing it every summer except 2008 since 2006. Here's my method in case anybody is curious.
* An adverage of 25/30 poppys are put into a blender with half a pint of water & occasionally the juice of a freshly squeezed lemon.
* The blended pulp is then (not always it seems to work without this step but part of me thinks it helps extract alkaloids) added to a saucepan & gently heated & strirred with my finger until i feel it's getting 'almost hot', just very warm.
* The pulp is then strained through a fine sieve into a bowl, pushing the plant matter with a spoon until as much of the water is in the bowl.
* Then the dark colored liquid is promptly drank after thanking planet earth for the gift of this divine medicinal plant.
p.s i usually use fresh green pods but use dried pods often too.
No, i'm not a heroin addict nor do i have a very high opiate tolerance: 180 mg of dihydrocodeine is quite pleasant for me & my usual dose of codeine is between 180 & 300 mg, normally i'll take 240 mg which produces a very pleasant high but these days i'm going with DHC as codeine literally kicks in after 10 mins then 20 mins later the best of the high is over & all thats left is sedation, it really pisses me off. However codeine is a great drug if you have a bad, really bad, hangover.
So yeah, i use a shitload of poppys at once, & from various different spots so i know some are stronger than others & some are very weak but i'm just mystified when i read about people who take something like oxycodone getting high of '6 to 8 pods' i mean, i know some are huge, i've personally never had pods bigger than a golf ball.
On sunday i did get a nice litte shock when i picked what turned out to be 31 pods. They were very dry & i thought they would do nothing other than give me a pleasant sleep but wow they were real strong, thought i might puke but was fine & 'nodding' nicely about 4 hours after ingestion & when it kicked in it kicked in fast, like 30 mins later.
Just in case anybody thinks i'm just crap at making the tea, hence i need so many, that's not the case. I've been doing it every summer except 2008 since 2006. Here's my method in case anybody is curious.
* An adverage of 25/30 poppys are put into a blender with half a pint of water & occasionally the juice of a freshly squeezed lemon.
* The blended pulp is then (not always it seems to work without this step but part of me thinks it helps extract alkaloids) added to a saucepan & gently heated & strirred with my finger until i feel it's getting 'almost hot', just very warm.
* The pulp is then strained through a fine sieve into a bowl, pushing the plant matter with a spoon until as much of the water is in the bowl.
* Then the dark colored liquid is promptly drank after thanking planet earth for the gift of this divine medicinal plant.
p.s i usually use fresh green pods but use dried pods often too.
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Cane2theLeft
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^ if you're picking them live than you're probably getting much smaller and weaker ones than people are ordering commercially so it's difficult to compare. I was using 3-6 pods per day that were 6-8" in diameter typically and this was equivalent to at least 150mg of oral morphine or hydrocodone per day.
doppelganga196
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Crikey. I'd Compare the 31 'strong' dried pods i did a few days back to 80 mg oral morphine. I always feel morphine kick in with a warm rush in my legs, it's weird. Others opiates seem to begin in my stomach & spread over my body.
hmmm. ..uh. ,.Yeh. Dried Pods, though now scarce. Are available legitimately online. Simply deeply buried,- Lean years- crops will become very thin.. sorry.
King Hop Head
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Pods are abundant and relatively cheap in the UK at the moment, touch wood!
Count your lucky stars!!! We had easy, strong, and cheap pods avialable for years in the US....then the shortage 
. I'm sure I'm not the only one that had to experience two weeks of pure hell....unless you're a damn poppy farmer in Afgahastan, I would always have a backup plan...
. I'm sure I'm not the only one that had to experience two weeks of pure hell....unless you're a damn poppy farmer in Afgahastan, I would always have a backup plan...
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I've found some threads and posts where this has been touched upon, it's a hard phrase to search for so forgive me since "opium" is going to come up anyway.
I gave a friend 1kg of pods, they were meant for someone else (I don't touch the tea anymore) but long story they stayed with me, I wanted them away from me so gave them to someone who'd appreciate them. I saw him today he reckoned with his opiate tolerance he'd need to drink too much so he evaporated the liquid to get a solid. I read on another thread this isn't opium but what people call "puddy", he gave me some about 1cm in a ball, it's almost hard a little bit squishy. Can you smoke it like that? I think he's been trying but I don't know what effect he got.
I gave a friend 1kg of pods, they were meant for someone else (I don't touch the tea anymore) but long story they stayed with me, I wanted them away from me so gave them to someone who'd appreciate them. I saw him today he reckoned with his opiate tolerance he'd need to drink too much so he evaporated the liquid to get a solid. I read on another thread this isn't opium but what people call "puddy", he gave me some about 1cm in a ball, it's almost hard a little bit squishy. Can you smoke it like that? I think he's been trying but I don't know what effect he got.
Project Will
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Does PPT give anyone else heartburn?
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