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UK Ketamine Thread v.2 - shortage or not?

i've heard rumours of people in london getting decent k but they apparently all threw up after taking a key of it because they hadnt had it in so long it was just way too strong. this is just a story told to me by a mate so I dont know if its true or not but yeah... watch out
 
I've asked this before but does medical ketamine (from the UK) never reach the black market.

It's used in some hospitals and folks like the HEMS air ambulance and HART paramedics carry it but it's used very infrequently. Usually for people who are trapped inside a vehicle at a RTA and need to be moved but are in more pain than entanox and morphine can relieve.

There's talk of training us regular paramedics in some types of general anesthesia so we can intubate conscious patients (you can only intubate onconcios people due to gag reflex) most of the unconscious patients we intubate are already dead basically and it woukdnt be helpful to intubate someone who is conscious but they need to be put under first.

Anyway I digress (as usual)...I just wondered if UK supplies of pharmaceutical ketamine ever "went astray" so to speak??
 
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ol-plan-at-un-condemned-as-potential-disaster

Ketamine control plan condemned as potential disaster for world's rural poor

“This would be an absolute disaster for low-resource countries, which depend on ketamine as a safe injectable anaesthetic agent that can be used in many emergency situations, particularly in obstetrics for emergency caesarean sections.

“It raises blood pressure so is very useful in trauma and when anaesthetising shocked patients.

“The fact that ravers in the west abuse this product should not deprive poor people in struggling health systems from access to this most vital lifesaving medicine.”
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Yeah ketamine is a very novel substance in terms of its medical use.. Doesn't suppress the respiratory system like propafol or sodium thiopental do and as you say raises blood pressure which is ideal in cases of hypovolemic shock.

One of its main drawbacks from a medical viewpoint is the "emergence phenomena " which basically means the "getting off your tits " part.

Since I'm neither HEMS (heli-med) or HART (hazardous area response team) I'm not qualified to use it but I think all Paramedics should be trained in its use...Which I think is exactly what is planned for the near future.
 
Watched an emergency programme thing awhile ago with some guy who was on a pushbike, got knocked off and a lorry was partly ontop of him if i recall, paramedics came & gave him some ket and he looked like he started sketching out even worse and panicing. never knew ket was used in those situations before that. the thought of being given ket in that situation would freak me out tbh.. unless it was enough to properly conk me out but the guy still seemed quite aware of what was going on
 
anyone from brighton seen any decent k floating about? i really hope its back for summer...........
 
K will never be back when the price of a gram in india is £25 and is nearly impossible to get. The schedule change there has meant the end of the ketamine good times unfortunately.
 
Yeah unless another country starts producing it like India used to, it is going to be an expensive rarity.
 
I hear the word that something worthwhile has appeared in my locale. Same story as elsewhere though, £50 each. Apparently Indian, unsure of appearance but will grab a test one for (incomplete and unscientific) science!

Something in me totally objects to paying £50 for something that will undoubtedly last an hour, but on the off chance I never see those wonderful shards again, I'm making this foolhardy sacrifice.
 
so just to clarify, decent affordable k isn't ever going to be a thing again? very sad times indeed, especially with the coming disappearance of MXE too it's not a good time to be a fan of dissociatives :\
 
ColtDan said:
Watched an emergency programme thing awhile ago with some guy who was on a pushbike, got knocked off and a lorry was partly ontop of him if i recall, paramedics came & gave him some ket and he looked like he started sketching out even worse and panicing. never knew ket was used in those situations before that. the thought of being given ket in that situation would freak me out tbh.. unless it was enough to properly conk me out but the guy still seemed quite aware of what was going on
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Only certain paramedics carry ketamine and are allowed to give it (I'm not). It's usually reserved for HART teams (hazardous area response team). Or helimed doctors. I've seen it given loads of times when working with the HART lads and it does have some wierd effects. Best in mind that the doses we give are much higher than the amounts used recreationaly and tge patient k-holes badly. It's often given with a benzo like midazolam just so the patient doesn't remember the awful emergence phenomena. They are talking about training all Paramedics to use certain anesthetics so we can intubate patients who are concious (well unconscious after they've been given the anaesthetic ). You can only intubate an unconscious person and 90% of the people we intubate are already dead.

Seeing the effects of ketamine given to trauma patients is enough to put me off TBH. Yeah the doses are very high but the patients certainly don't look like theyvwere enjoying it....
 
Good K is about all over the UK, but it's getting heavily stepped on and alot of people are realizing they can make a lot of money off of it, so until people stop being greedy (aka never) it's not worth the price/purity/strength :(
 
Bought some of someone I haven't met before last week (south west). Was stepped on to fuck, cunt tried to sell it at .7s @ £40, when he was weighing it up a load went over on his scales to a gram, so just took that, he didn't refuse as he knew what he was selling was bashed shit. Guessing 100-200mg in the gram if that. Couple days later was after some Mandy, and this guy usually sorts my K, he stopped selling for ages, and said it's dead as fuck. But he has 10ml-500mg Vials for £45, locally.
 
englandgz74 said:
... the doses we give are much higher than the amounts used recreationaly and tge patient k-holes badly.
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There's actually a very slim dosage window for recreational effects and that goes doubly so for k-hole effects as you need to be right on the borderline of anaesthetised into unconsciousness without having tipped over. "K-holed" folk tend to be immobile and mostly unable to speak (certainly not coherently anyway) or take anything in from the outside world (would not be able to answer questions and so forth). Seems to me that wouldn't be much use in a medical emergency - worst of both worlds surely?

I can see KO doses that render the person actually unconscious (can also see how that may not be wise in many situations but a k-holed person is essentially unconscious only still capable of acting erractically). I can also see relatively low-doses that would ameliorate pain and provide a pleasing lightly anaesthetised feeling of being all wrapped up in cotton wool and finding everything just a bit strange but also frightfully amusing.

Is it maybe the effects of all that adrenaline - and perhaps the shock itself - that make cases where ketamine is used by people like yourself dealing with medical emergencies seem to not quite fit with the way it seems to work in recreational situations? Perhaps the doses you use are of the type that would KO a person in any other circumstance but they are so pumped up on adrenaline they are left conscious whilst highly dissociated and also highly distressed by whatever incident it was that resulted in them being given ketamine legitimately.
 
Its back. Can get it from a number of different places now ranging from 40 - 60
 
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